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Sleep Paralysis

 
 
The Natural Way
15:25 / 23.09.02
So, the other night, while chatting with my mate, he said something (I can't remember what) and for some reason I remembered......

Devon, a week before. The dead of night. The cottage is black...and there's something leaning over me... I can feel its fucking breath on my neck. A pressure on my back....spine tingling madly.... I can't move!

And then I remember: Sleep Paralysis! And - slowly does it - I twitch a finger...then a leg (breathing on my neck!)..and then I'm bolt upright shaking like a leaf.

I fall asleep again and forget everything, until.....

The scariest thing: along with the memory came the certain knowledge that this has happened to me before, many, many times. I just know.

My Mother recently described the same symptoms (she thought she'd met a ghosty). Has anyone else experienced Sleep Paralysis?

Scary, aint it?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:41 / 23.09.02
A couple of times. Haven't found it so scary during, rather accepting it in a half-dream state, but remembering it on waking is very freaksome.
 
 
Seth
18:16 / 23.09.02
It used to scare the absolute bajeezus out of me when I was a nipper. Last time it happened, I was prepared! (thanks to the Magick forum)

Guessing that the evil man floating outside my bedroom window and the sense of a terrible dark presence were caused by sleep paralysis, I used the state as a springboard to do my first astral projection. It was one of the weirdest things I've ever experienced.

Still don't know if I believe in AP the way most practitioners seem to, but according to the textbooks it was, erm, textbook.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:29 / 23.09.02
Had this a few times- never fails to scare the shit out of me, coming as it usually does after either nightmares, or repeated "waking up" dreams... even when I realise at the time what's going on, I find paralysis kind of scary anyway, like claustrophobia or blindness...
Nasty. Interesting, but nasty.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:26 / 24.09.02
Yeah, that's just it, exp, it was SO textbook: the sense of an invading, alien presence; the dread; the feeling of something leaning over me; the pressure on my upper back.... That's what made me, inspite of hypnogogarama, remember all those Fortean Times articles I'd read and wake the fuck up before I had a heart attack or something.

I'd like to know a bit more about the science of this stuff: why, fr instance, the pressure on the back or chest? Why the invading presence and the spine-chilling fear (the definition of "creepy" as opposed to "horrific")? Why should remembering one instance of this weird shit lead me to remember many instances?

Why, why, why.......
 
 
illmatic
07:39 / 24.09.02
I've had that a lot - use it as a spring board for lucid dreaming or something, if I remember. As to the sense of pressure, I dunno, related to the way you were lying? As to the sense of someone else being there, well there is usually someone else present in dreams ain't there, maybe it's just a bit of overlap with this? I used to have it where I'd imagine my dad or flatmates were there.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:48 / 24.09.02
No, no...yr misunderstanding. All the symptoms I mentioned are classic sleep paralysis stuff: the pressure is, apparently, a common occurence - nothing to do with how I was lying. So...again: does anyone have any idea why the symptoms I've mentioned above feature so regularly in accounts of sleep paralysis?
 
 
Bear
08:07 / 24.09.02
I've never had I imagine that feeling you get, you know you feel like someone's just kicked you is your body snapping out of the paralysis is that correct?

Well I know its there to stop you hurting yourself while you sleep (although I know I few people that don't seem to be effected) but can't help on the whole pressure thing.

Recently though my breathing has been waking me up, not that I'm breathing loud or anything its just that it seems although its coming from next to me, as though I'm not in my body anymore and when I realise that I'm listening to myself I sort of jump back into my body, but this probably belong more in the magick forum.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:49 / 24.09.02
I toyed with the idea that the pressure on the chest was something to do with the fact that you breathe differently when you're asleep- maybe your lungs are more deflated or something.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:33 / 10.03.03
Again!

A few night ago: eyes open. The pressure. An image of a chinaman so cliched it bordered on racist (thin, oiled moustache, silk robes, pyramidy hat - the works) And the words:

"You are now entering Charlie Chan's Theatre..."

The "curtains" started to open and I was filled with pure, malevolent information. Total dread.

Move the hand!

Move the arm!

Wake up and stick on the video!

And the next night: this time I'm staring at a girl sitting opposite my bed. But it's not me. The camera zooms in, everything goes red-black and there's this fucking bellowing. The girl screams.

Move the hand!

Move the arm!

Wake up and stick on the video!

This is starting to piss me off a bit.
 
 
Smoothly
13:44 / 10.03.03
This was discussed on the Richard & Judy show only last week. Apparently the physical appearance of the apparition is almost invariably a representation of a prevalant or traditional folk demon in the dreamer's culture. For instance, in the U.S. it's almost always aliens, whereas 'Hags' or witches are the common in the U.K.

A 'chinaman' you say..... *strokes beard*
 
 
Quantum
13:48 / 10.03.03
You need a dreadshield Not that I'm not sympathetic, but crazy shit like that fascinates me but rarely happens. When it does I always feel somewhat detached, like I'm watching a video already- thus no dread, just interest and sometimes feeling a bit creepy. P'raps attempting to lucid dream might help? just a thought.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:58 / 10.03.03
Yeah, I went through a phase of this a few years back, very weird. The accepted scientific explanation for it, (that your muscles have shut down to stop you from acting out your dreams in your sleep, and you've woken up before your body has) doesn't seem to tidily correspond with the feeling of 'there's some kind of fucking weird malevolent creature in the room with me!' which invariably accompanies every instance of sleep paralysis. I've never really seen this aspect of the phenomena addressed by anyone, but it's one of the weirdest things about the experience.
 
 
Smoothly
13:59 / 10.03.03
Oh yeah, and the pressure on your chest thing is an awareness of your paralysis. Although the body is always paralysed during deep, R.E.M., dream-sleep, the sleep paralysis condition is unique in that a certain degree of consciousness returns before the paralysis mechanism is switched off.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:06 / 10.03.03
Right.....hmmm...

I always assumed the dread had something to do with yr "lizard brain" being activated or some such bollocks.

In fairness, quantum, I don't know if you'd be able to keep yr cool. The thing with sleep-paralysis is....it's pretty much always accompanied by a feeling of an invading, hostile presence. The fear comes with the territory. It's an intrinsic part of the experience. But the lucid dreaming thing could be interesting - if only I could get into a clear enough space to pull it off (which is pretty hard when all you want to do is run around screaming "Arrgh! Fuck! Get off me! Get off me!!!").
 
 
Smoothly
14:20 / 10.03.03
A quick google later...

Recent evidence from neuroimaging studies during REM shows that the amygdala and several related limbic structures in the brain - the centre of our emotional being - are active during REM sleep. These structures are associated with instinctual responses, including fear, and what is called the 'threat-activated vigilance system'. This is thought to be activated by subtle cues for threat, which the system then attempts to corroborate by searching for further cues for danger. Such cues are especially active during anxiety dreams and nightmares and probably stimulate unpleasant memories, including culturally conventional images of threat, such as ghosts and aliens.

'The fear of undetected threat is exacerbated because the person is awake, paralysed and usually in a helpless, supine position,' says Dr Cheyne. 'These are hardly circumstances to generate pleasant hallucinations. This throws up ghostly images. The conventional Grim Reaper and other hooded figures are popular - some people have even seen Darth Vadar.'


From here

It suggests that sleep depravation, shift work, and sleeping on your back are often to blame. You sleeping on your back Runce?
 
 
grant
14:33 / 10.03.03
I'd guess the sense of pressure has to do with being unable to get a full, deep, "wakeful" breath.

It's happened to me, once memorably (for no reason that'd mean anything to anyone else) and few times to a lesser degree.

The ringing/buzzing in the ears is actually the weirdest part for me.

Have you searched around The Magick for more on this?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
15:22 / 10.03.03
I thought I had Sleep Paralysis once, it later turned out that the cat was sleeping on my chest and I was just too damn lazy to do anything about it.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:24 / 10.03.03
I think there's a little bit more on this in the magic, actually, but I've not read any of it yet. I shall do so.....

That's interesting... I have been sleeping on my back the last couple of times... The first time was on my side, though. And since being made redundant my sleeping times have definitely been more fucked.

Darth Vader?!?

I'm convinced loads of alien-autopsy scenarios must be sleep-paralysis. I mean, the individual in question is strapped to an operating table, flat on their back and unable to move? C'mon.....
 
 
cusm
18:48 / 10.03.03
The last time I had this (about a week or so ago) I immediately did a mental banishing as soon as it started to happen. My hackles went up, but nothing appeared in the room. From there, I managed to break out of it. My trick for that is to start breathing hard and fast. Bring up the metabolism to wake out of it, though I usually fall immediately back to sleep again once I do.

Yes, its damn ceepy. I've never cared for the experience. When I was young I always thought I was about to die or something, until I learned more about it. It is comforting to know sometimes that others suffer as you do, isn't it?
 
 
The Natural Way
19:11 / 10.03.03
I'm convinced LOADS of people have had sleep-paralysis, but forget abut it upoun waking... I swear that, although my brain draws a blank on specific instances, it's been dogging my sleepy-time for years. As I said previously - when it happens, I *remember* the feeling.......
 
 
Seth
19:34 / 10.03.03
I've heard that the projected presence may be linked to the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy. Can anyone provide more information?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
21:17 / 10.03.03
aye. I've heard that too. It's been proved to be the case in laboratory tests. Can't remember how they did it, but 'they' re-created the effects of TLS and lo and behold the poor fucker shat himself.
 
 
Seth
21:37 / 10.03.03
I'd actually like to experience it more regularly. My last experience hinted that there is a lot to this state that's worth exploring. Doesn anyone have any ideas for inducing sleep paralysis?
 
 
LVX23
22:05 / 10.03.03
Doesn anyone have any ideas for inducing sleep paralysis?

How about a tetrodotoxin smoothy before bed?

Mmmmmm, fugu.

(or, "You can really taste the puffer fish!")
 
 
Seth
04:27 / 11.03.03
Mmmmmmmm. Smoothy.
 
 
Smoothly
07:42 / 11.03.03
Yes?

Oh.
 
  
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