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Aeon Flux

 
  

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Papess
02:22 / 23.09.02
Hello.

Completely new to this forum. Be gentle please, I am not an avid comix reader.

I have a question though, regarding Aeon Flux. How come she dies so much and how does she come back to life? Is this ever explained?

Much Thanks in Advance.

~MT
 
 
Jack Fear
11:56 / 23.09.02
No. It is never explained.

Or rather, it is, by implication: it works the same way that Kenny gets killed in every episode of South Park.

Aeon Flux is non-linear. That is, no episode is necessarily related to any other episode. If I recall correctly (it's been ages since I watched the original, wordless shorts), the set-up would change from episode to episode; genders would swap, alliances would switch, characters would transpose. But the basic situation would stay the same.

In musical terms, what animator Peter Chung was doing would be called variations on a theme: the same tune going through a series of reharmonizations, arranged for different instruments, reinterpolated at different tempos, the tune itself altered. The same tune is at the heart of each variation, but each one sounds different from each of the others.

I've heard lots of complicated theories about "alternate realties" and recursive looping virtual reality AIs and clones and whatnot, but that all smells like bullshit to me. It's pictures-as-music, is all: so-called "pure" music—not really designed to carry a story: its own melodic flow seems to imply a story, but it's just imagery for its own sake.

So the secret is that there's no secret, and the point is that there's no point.
 
 
Papess
12:24 / 23.09.02
Thank you very much Jack!



MT
 
 
Seth
19:12 / 23.09.02
Jack's right: the series was set up with no conventional continuity, although it did seem to have it's own twisted internal logic dancing just beyond the edge of reason. Marvellous it was, too. The good/bad guys was called Trevor Goodchild, for God's sake. How can it not be classy?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:31 / 23.09.02
This sounds interesting. I'm going to have to take a look into this.
 
 
Trijhaos
20:25 / 23.09.02
MTV used to have some Aeon Flux episodes up on their site. I remember watching one awhile back. The quality was pretty crappy when you viewed it full screen.
 
 
gridley
21:02 / 23.09.02
I have a couple tapes worth of the show at home. I'll have to review them. That said, I think I remember an episode where one Flux dies, and another is instantly brought out of hibernation. I could have imagined it though....
 
 
Jack Fear
22:29 / 23.09.02
In one episode, sure. but that's just another of the changes Chung rang (rung?), and a glorious red herring.
 
 
Papess
22:38 / 23.09.02
Oh! this is where this thread went!
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:55 / 24.09.02
i think there were only about 13 episodes made and they're all on video. and they're all brilliant. the worldless "series of shorts" that first played on liquid TV was in fact one 10 minute (or so) episode that they serialized; think that might be on one of the tapes too.

there was also quite a satisfying comic that MTV books put out, a sort of "origin" storyline that very clearly explained the political situation of the story's world (ie the one nation split in two and then lied to about their past) and Aeon's employment by the creepy blond guy. actually it helps to make sense of a lot of the series if you weren't reading between the lines enough. it was in the form of "documents" rather than just straight narration, and used the comic form to good effect overall.

there was also a pepsi commercial w/ Aeon and Cindy Crawford, i belive, though i can't remember if it ever aired.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:49 / 24.09.02
I remember seeing it on Liquid Television too, alongside Richard Sala's wonderful Invisible Hands. Informed my dress sense, that latter one.

But yeah, I really dug Aeon, just because it was so fucking oddball. I have a review video at home with three episodes on it - including the one where she keeps dying and waking up again - but really ended up thinking that you just can't make sense out of it; recursive memory, fucking advanced humans who travel time to find you... it's very much formless and beautiful. Don't know how well it'd hold up to rigorous examination beyond the "hey, this looks cool!" level, though.

For what it's worth, Drew Neumann's soundtrack to the show was great. There's not an _official_ Aeon soundtrack, but you can find his 2CD set online. Review here and tracklisting here.
 
 
Sharkgrin
00:35 / 25.09.02
The orginal, speechless tight-leathered thief-assassin rocked my fanboy world. The mysterious machinaes, silent death-traps, and tortured denizens of Dystopia held me enthralled on every cartoon.

The pap that followed with the extended, over-verbalized love/hate between Trevor and Aeon was amusing, but ultimately showed me the puppeteer's hand underneath the puppet - it killed my intrigue and the tense atmosphere.

BTW Gridley, Aeon died almost episode in the original Liquid Television shorts.

VR
Maudlin, but Satisfied Shark
 
 
bio k9
09:51 / 25.09.02
Haven't seen it in a long while but I remember the characters looking very Egon Schiele.
 
 
cusm
16:52 / 25.09.02
The one dossier book put out was called The Herodotus File, and was quite worth the read.

In one of the shorts aired in Liquid TV's second season she was shown to be one of many clones activated for missions, but that too could be just another possible view. I mean, another episode shows wierd alternate dimentional possbilities where she ends up as a soccer-mom. Beautiful stuff, I was lucky enough to capture most of it when it aired. The actual independent show lost a lot with the addition of dialog, but was able to explore more complicated scenes with it, so there was a trade off there. I think I prefer the silent ones, but the series was as a whole damn fine anyway.

The orginal, speechless tight-leathered thief-assassin rocked my fanboy world.

Yea, second that. Mmmmm....
 
 
Papess
16:23 / 26.09.02
I really appreciate all this info on Aeon, thanks alot! Very interesting stuff.

The orginal, speechless tight-leathered thief-assassin rocked my fanboy world.


She is a babe! That's for sure!


~MT
 
 
gridley
15:57 / 27.02.04
Charlize Theron has signed on to play Aeon Flux in a live action movie.

Can this possibly work? Just her acrobatics alone should take a buttload of CGI. Will she wear the kinky outfit?
 
 
John Brown
05:36 / 03.03.04
The later edition with dialog was definitely inferior. But there was one episode with a woman trying to escape from Trevor Goodchild's world, who already had some prosthesis in her spine (which they show being switched out) and who ends up with both legs amputated by a computerized wire trap ... the images are still with me, along with some from other episodes, so it couldn't have sucked entirely ...
 
 
Rage
08:21 / 05.03.04
Anyone know who's gonna play Trevor yet?
 
 
HCE
17:55 / 05.03.04
Katherine Moennig is clearly a better choice to play her.

I have the Herodotus File book, it's great. So warm and meaty.
 
 
Liger Null
23:23 / 31.03.04
While I have to agree that the speechless Liquid TV shorts were superior, you can't argue with the fact that John Rafter Lee (trevor) and Denise Poirier (aeon) have the sexiest voices in the history of animation.
 
 
diz
13:12 / 01.04.04
BTW Gridley, Aeon died almost episode in the original Liquid Television shorts.

only in the second season. the first season Liquid Television shorts are one long serial. i believe she dies at the end of that, though.

as far as the speechless shorts vs the longer episodes go, they both have their strengths. i don't think the episodes are any weaker overall than the shorts. it does lose a little something, but it also opens new possibilities and it exploits those to the fullest.

anyone here seen much Reign the Conqueror? i know it circulates through the Adult Swim action line-up every once in a while, but i've still only caught one or two episodes. it looked fucking fantastic, though...
 
 
Quantum
18:38 / 27.09.05
Seen the trailer and it looks fantastic! Charlize is a bit short but otherwise not as bad as you'd think, Schizandra the lady with the hands for feet is in it, ace SFX and true Aeon style in the sets and costumes, I'm a big Aeon Flux fan and I'm really looking forward to it.
Certainly more than I was Constantine...
 
 
Seth
22:08 / 27.09.05
I dunno. It looks a little too much like Masuimi Max does Equilibrium. The out-and-out weirdness of cartoon Flux seems absent, and it looks very narrative. In their eyes there was probably no other way of doing it to secure an audience and I'm continuing to resent Hollywood's assumption that their's is the ultimate realisation of any cultural artifact, no matter how lazy, poorly observed or inept their remakes often are.

However, the thought of Masuimi Max doing Equilibrium is a wonderful thought that I'll cherish all week. I wonder if she can act?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:05 / 09.11.05
*bump* since I'm seeing lots of posters and this is coming out soon, right?
 
 
THX-1138
23:00 / 09.11.05
yep I saw a trailer last night. Dec 2
 
 
Jack Fear
23:21 / 09.11.05
Quicktime trailer here.

Aeon's got a spunky black sidekick. And dialogue. An attempt has apparently been made to provide a coherent political ideology to the story.

And it's a safe bet that they've lost the cartoon's fetish-tastic afterlife denouement, with the deceased Aeon reclining in diaphonous glory, writhing ecstatically as a little toad-demon licks her feet.

Is there any possible reason that any sane person would want to see this?
 
 
THX-1138
12:59 / 11.11.05
Dark Horse comics also has a comic out. I don't know if it's adapting the movie or a bridge 'tween animated series and movie.
 
 
netbanshee
21:53 / 17.11.05
One good piece of news (not sure of the regions it's being released in though)... the entire Aeon Flux animated series is coming to DVD November 22nd in the US. It'll feel good to pick this up as I've had a to make due with a bootleg of about half of the series for the last few years on my hard drive.

So regardless of how well the live action turns out (I'm not holding my breath, not even for you Charlize) there's still room to be excited.
 
 
Slim
00:06 / 18.11.05
I cannot wait for this movie to come out because then I'll know it will disappear two weeks later.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
14:47 / 20.11.05
I'm an avid Flux fan who's been waiting ages to have something to contribute to this thread; but I'm in a lazy mood today, so will let E. Randius' words in the Prisoner remake thread speak for me. Apologies for the mighty chunk of bold:

An non-linear storyline, based in a continuous reality but with a total lack of plot continuity - some of that unintentional, maybe, but still a fundamental part of the show. A series that never provides the viewer with an answer as to what the hell's going on. A series without a single piece of backstory other than what the viewer imagines for hirself. A series that's seriously ramshackle and distinctly low-budget in a lot of places, with some moments that are utter rubbish in and of themselves, but where that sense of things having been cobbled together adds to the skewiff atmosphere. A series with only one returning character[*] whose motivations and personality change week in, week out as the different writers fail to communicate with each other. A series that places the importance of individual moments and ideas above that of fitting those moments and ideas into something coherent.

... That pretty much sums up what I love about Aeon Flux; gives us the reasons why a Hollywood remake will never, ever succeed in capturing the spirit of the original; and for a Brucey bonus, adds more fuel to my longheld belief that AF was the true successor to The Prisoner. Thanks, E. Randius!

*Okay, two... kind of.
 
 
gridley
13:01 / 22.11.05
That's quite a brilliant connection. Yes, those shows do work for many of the same reasons.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:09 / 23.11.05
Cheers, gridley. And just in case anyone thought my snobbery about mainstream bowdlerizations of underground classics (well, as "underground" as anything made by MTV could be, let's say) might prevent me from shelling out to see this movie, think again. Let's face it, I am part of the problem.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:03 / 02.12.05
The movie is opening withotu advance screenings for critics, suggesting that the studio knows it's got a stinkburger on its hands.
 
 
Hieronymus
03:30 / 02.12.05
Jesus, that's NEVER a good sign.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
23:24 / 03.12.05
Well, AICN thinks very highly of it, and explains that it's more likely the studio doesn't understand it. They are likening it to Gattaca, a more cerebral kind of "proper" science fiction story.

I thought it was looking horrible, but the two reviews I've read of it on AICN have made me curious to go see it tonight. Will report back later.
 
  

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