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NEWS: Countryside Marchers Not Horseback-charged by Police

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:52 / 22.09.02
London. Marchers protesting against the victimisation of rural Britain were today not horseback-charged by mounted police. The main focus of the march was the proposed ban on hunting, but a broad range of other grievances were also aired as more than 400,000 protestors, many blowing whistles and hunting horns, made their way through Hyde Park.

Protestors brought much of London to a standstill, but local merchants had absolutely no objection as many protestors were quite well-off, and popped into Harvey Nichols and Harrods en route to do a handy bit of shopping.

"I hate the city, really," said Mrs. Janine Handicot-Clinch, 34, as she browsed the Loreal counter, "it's dirty and frightening. I greatly prefer living in the country. That's why I'm marching," she added. "Because it's simply awful that the government isn't doing more to support rural Britain."

Asked whether she was aware that farmers draw £3 billion in direct subsidies, or that the much-touted 20% greater spending on services in the cities is generally owed to the greater poverty and illness in urban areas, Mrs. Handicot-Clinch was firm. "I don't think that's really important," she said. "This is about personal liberty, in the form of hunting, and about all those nasty Labour people who come down to the countryside and use it like a hotel and then go back to city. They drive up housing prices down here, too." Mrs. Handicot-Clinch lives in a seven bedroom farmhouse with her husband Ranulf, a farmer whose family ownes more than four million pounds' worth of real estate in the county.

Although 1,600 extra police officers were brought in to handle the March, there were no angry clashes. Police completely failed to provoke the crowd, and forgot to bang their batons on their riot shields or rough anyone up. A spokesman said he could not comment on the total absence of specific incidents, but agreed that they would have to step up their efforts in future. "Obviously it's a matter of concern to us that four hundred thousand people can march through London without getting beaten up by police or intimidated. It's not the kind of thing we like to see at all. Having said that, there were quite a lot of titled aristocracy and freemasons involved in the March, so perhaps that's why."
 
 
Naked Flame
07:20 / 23.09.02
My very favourite quote on the day, overheard in the launderette:

'hey, did you see in the west end, there's half a million anti-hunt protestors!'
 
 
Sax
07:33 / 23.09.02
Nick, great minds think alike. Wrote this last night for my newspaper column tomorrow:

Well, jolly good show to all those rural types who marched in force at the weekend to protest against the ongoing victimisation of country-folk.
I completely agree with them. As one woman pointed out on the news, city-dwellers often just turn up to the countryside for the weekend or even, God forbid, for their oiky little summer holidays. What, do they think just anyone can go there whenever they feel like it? It's not a hotel, you know. Except for the bits that are hotels, of course, and rely on visitors with their city-filthy ten pound notes to come and keep them open.
There is a lot of poverty in the countryside, though. I spotted in one of the TV news reports that nice Noel Edmonds marching through Hyde Park. I mean, he hasn't worked for years. I imagine he's having real trouble with the up-keep of his sprawling country estate at the moment.
That's the other thing about the country; house prices are being driven through the roof by city-folk coming in and wanting to live there. Some people who have lived their whole lives in the country find it almost impossible to move up from the seven-bedroom renovated farmhouse with indoor swimming pool and a hundred acres of land to something a little more suitable directly because of this situation. Now, is that fair?
Of course, you always get some clever clogs throwing in the fact that farmers get something along the lines of £3 billion in direct subsidies, but what can that buy you these days?
And anyway, isn't it a fact that there's something like 20 per cent extra spending on services in the cities? It's one rule for the urbanites, another one for the poor country-folk. Just because there's supposedly more poverty and deprivation in the cities and people tend to have a much poorer quality of life and suffer from illnesses a lot more, well, is that any reason to be spending all that money on them? They've only themselves to blame, surely. No-one makes them live in those boxy little flats on sprawling council estates, after all. If they just went out and got proper jobs they could make a lot more of themselves.
You see, no-one thinks about all this. All everyone talks about is fox hunting. Fair enough, a lot of the people marching at the weekend do like a bit of the old tally-ho. Is that a crime? People who live in the country know what's best for the country, and if they say that the best way to control the fox population is to spend a whole day dressing up like clowns and stampeding across fields until a pack of dogs tear a single, solitary fox limb from limb, then who are we to argue with them? It's tradition, after all, and we should be doing all we can to preserve this way of life for those that can afford to spend Sundays doing that.
What struck me, though was how good-natured the whole march was at the weekend. I mean, whenever you get any other kind of demonstration in London, against something stupid and meaningless like unfair taxes, war or the increasing power of global corporations, the police generally feel duty-bound to wade in with batons and smash a few of those dreadful people around the head. But you don't get that with country-folk, do you?
And I'm absolutely sure that was nothing at all to do with the fact that a good portion of the 400,000 on that march on Sunday were wealthy, well-connected, and spoke the Queen's English.
Exactly the kind of down-to-earth folk who should be allowed to do just what they want in this country. After all, they've had their own way for hundreds of years. To stop them now would be just cruel.
 
 
Sax
07:37 / 23.09.02
(and yes, I did tweak some of it this morning to pinch a couple of your concepts. Bill me).
 
 
Bill Posters
10:54 / 23.09.02
"When I pointed out that blood sports were opposed by the majority of the nation he swiftly answered: "So is homosexuality. But homosexuals have their interests protected." Yes but they don't go around killing for fun do they, I suggested? "Some do," he replied. Another liberal-minded chap, 51-year-old James Catterall, from Cornwall, claimed Asian immigrants were not under threat so why should the hunting community be?

I answered that 82 per cent of the nation don't want Asian immigrants abolished.

He answered with a dead-pan expression: "Exactly. About 90 per cent of us do. But who listens to us any more?"

That's another thing which had changed. It was no longer about Listen To Us, it was about Fear Us.


The full article is here (in The Daily Mirror).
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:36 / 23.09.02
Well, as far as I know, homosexuals in England are still waiting for pension rights and legal protection against harassment at work - nice to see facts like that completely overlooked.

I had a snigger at the 'articles', but there is some truth in grievances of the rural community - transport can be poor, policing almost non-existent - but that's not what the march was about, really, was it?

My mother has been fuming about other aspects of country life, too - she's been trying to 'buy local' in Cornwall, opting to buy veg directly from farmers either by the roadside or at farmers' markets rather than the supermarket, and says the food is extremely expensive and almost always completely inedible.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:57 / 23.09.02
Don't get me wrong - there are issues affecting the countryside - but I'm not sure they affect the countryside uniquely. The transport thing is slightly vexed - the sparseness of rural populations makes transport an unexciting business in terms of profit, and a lot of money goes into making buses available and so on when basically the demand is minimal.

I do believe that small towns and villages are being damaged by large out-of-town shopping set-ups and superstores - but so are the small neighbourhoods in cities.

I know from experience that hospital waiting times in the country are long, and that the final result is not often as caring as one would wish - and that a disturbing triage is practiced - but the same is true in the cities, and in fact the worst NHS areas in many ways are London and the midlands - though I suspect the level of expertise available in London is higher then outside.

So it goes on.

I just don't think it's as simple as town vs. country - I don't like amalgamated protests - and I was not impressed by the march (or the marchers) on my enforced trip to the thing yesterday. A rather odious collection of Middle England and Etonian youth carrying unscathed shepherd's crooks and blowing hunting horns does not make a mass popular upwelling of feeling.

I believe, the more I look at it, that the issues are similar across the country (infrastructure, 'social glue' melting, industries in desperate need of a rethink), and that the town vs. country divide is manufactured as a fig-leaf to voice tedious right-of-centre sentiments under the heading of 'concern'.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
13:07 / 23.09.02
Well, yes. Let's be honest, the slogan for yesterday's march should've been 'We Don't Like The Fact That We Have A Labour Government'. That is more or less the bottom line.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:10 / 23.09.02
With probably just a few "I voted for a Labour government and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" folks thrown in.
 
 
rizla mission
13:37 / 23.09.02
"When I pointed out that blood sports were opposed by the majority of the nation he swiftly answered: "So is homosexuality. But homosexuals have their interests protected." Yes but they don't go around killing for fun do they, I suggested? "Some do," he replied.

Quote of the year!
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:14 / 23.09.02
What they need is some kind of country version of Mardi Gras. What about a Harvest Festival with elaborate floats, people in dog and fox costumes, sexy Morris Dancers, disco covers of The Wurzels...
 
 
Sax
14:23 / 23.09.02
The Hardy Grass!

Particularly disturbing were the pictures (which always get trotted out, I know) of kids in prams with big banners saying things like "When I'm old enough I'm going hunting with my daddy". Brrr.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:41 / 23.09.02
Makes me ashamed to be a fucking human being, it really does.

Apparently Prince Charles is said to have stated that he'd leave the country if they banned hunting...

...but then Andrew Lloyd-Webber still hasn't fucked off after two consecutive Labour election wins... all mouth and no trousers, these fuckers.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:18 / 23.09.02
The Metro today had a photo of someone carrying a large sign with pix of Hitler and Blair and the slogan something along the lines of 'Hitler-1935, Blair-2002'. And even I, who have been known to step over certain lines of decency and good taste in my time, even I was stunned.
 
 
Fist Fun
18:28 / 23.09.02
400,000 is a huge amount to turn up at a demonstration. Anyone know if that is an accurate figure?

I think the cause celebre of the demonstration is a pretty valid one. A ban on fox hunting is a hypocritical crowd pleasing gesture that is happily voted through because it affects only an unpopular minority.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:04 / 23.09.02
It's crowd-pleasing because around 80% of the UK seems to be in favour. It's not the most important issue around, but strangely, it's not the least either.
 
 
Fist Fun
06:43 / 24.09.02
Yeah, I think so many people are against fox hunting simply because a ban would not affect them in the slightest. Now if that 80% applied the same principles to themselves...well that would be a fair basis for a ban on fox hunting.

What is the general opinion of this protest? Does anyone think it is a positive? A huge group of people descending on a major city to protest for what they believe in...well that is a really healthy thing, yeah?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:17 / 24.09.02
I was glad to see a democratic protest. I was less glad to see who was involved. All the people I know in the countryside who would have had a decent reason for being there were unable to attend because they simply could not afford the time. The people I saw there were by and largely toffs in pastoral drag. I wasn't exaggerating about Harvey Nicks in that piece, you know. So I ask myself exactly how democratic it was. The papers seemed able to find no one who was not either a bloodsports insider or a middle/upper class rural dweller with a rather uncertain level of grievance. I'm sure there were real country people there, somewhere, but I'm not at all sure that's what the march was about.
 
 
Punji Steak
13:40 / 24.09.02
Don't know if anyone saw this but Will Self had a wonderful rant against the Countryside Alliance this week in the London Evening Standard typified by this quote -

"Yes, Countryside Alliance, you're the Tories who can't stand the free market; you're the libertarians who can't handle homosexual rights or decriminalising drugs; you're the defenders of Fortress Britain who get bankrolled by Brussels. You aren't old MacDonald - you're bloody senile. "

Read the rest here.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:47 / 24.09.02
From the Pink Paper 20/09/02

'The Countryside Alliance has apologised for causing offence after staging a pro-hunting protest in Canal Street- the heart of Manchester's gay community.
The guerilla stunt was organised by the Alliance last week in an attempt to draw parallels between the discrimination faced by the gay community and that faced by the pro-hunting lobby.
...
But David Stocker of the North-West branch of the Countryside Alliance explained the thinking behind the stunt.
he said "There are close parallels with what the gay community had to go through maybe 20 years ago. Hunting, shooting and fishing people are increasingly being vilified.
"It's about tolerance- that's the point we were getting across."'


Great, so after years of the paedophiles trying to get in on Pride marches we now have to stop the pro-hunting lobby hitching a lift to respectability...
 
 
Sax
15:41 / 24.09.02
That's excellent when you read it like this: There are close parallels with what the gay community had to go through maybe 20
years ago. Hunting, shooting and fishing people."


Gosh, they used to hunt gays in the 80s? And fish them? How did that work?
 
 
_pin
22:52 / 25.09.02
I had great fun on monday pointing out to a friend of mine that, yes, it was a marvelously good job that the police aren't nominally employed by a women who hunts because if they were, well! it wouldn't be a fair fucking comparison between mayday and sunday, would it?

And 400,000 is highly suspect. I have it eye witness testimony that the counting people were just hitting their clicker as much as they liked because they were too lazy / inbred / under taxed / corrupt to actually count the people. And yes, they had several people in one place counting one group of people with fucking clickers.

And if these people are so pissed about the city interferring with the country, then why did the Lords who they so support vote to keep them legal age of homosexual consent (because they mature at a slower rate the real people, you know) at 18?

And while I don't really want to see a ban, that's only because what I really want to see is, one morning, all of them wake up and go Whoa! Shit! We kill stuff for fun! How fucked are we?! Obviously they're never gonna grow up unless we make them tho. Like stopping breast feeding babies.

Can someone please tell me what happeend with the anti hunt protestors? The news seemed to be telling me there were seven of them. All banging drums. And nicely kept out of the way of all those pacifist gentrymen by those loveable bobbies, lest they have a ruckuss, as those city types will do without any provocation at all...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:10 / 26.09.02
One assumes they took advantage of the day to educate foxes in basic covert operations skills. Expect foxes in those little woollen hats, with mud on their faces, taking the chickens in total silence and reporting to Downing Street with plans for the coop, then shagging the Number 10 poodle before vanishing like mist into the secret world once morel.

Ah, it's a wonderful thing to have no grasp on reality at all.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:42 / 26.09.02
and 400,000 is highly suspect.

And then some - people were marching in circles so I see no reason why some won't have been counted more than once. Also, I got counted and other anti-hunters did. The police say 300,000, for what its worth.

someone please tell me what happeend with the anti hunt protestors? The news seemed to be telling me there were seven of them. All banging drums. And nicely kept out of the way of all those pacifist gentrymen by those loveable bobbies, lest they have a ruckuss, as those city types will do without any provocation at all...

Well I didn't even know we'd made it into any news, so that's a start. There were no more than 20 in the group I was with, but there was a larger group somewhere. I'm not the only one who had trouble finding it and I don't know how big it was but get the impression it wasn't more than a few hundred. There's a few more write-ups from people in this group here, worth reading for the: "robert Mugarbi (sp?), He's our man, he kills farmers. BANG BANG BANG" chant (v. naughty), the rather terrifying detail that the BNP were distributing their paper 'The Countrysider' everywhere, and the immortal line from one protestor:

"I was beginning to realise I was heavily outnumbered to the tune of about 450,000 to one."

when it became apparent that the police ze was dealing with were being very biased in favour of the pro-hunters. Maybe you had to be there but the deadpan resignation to collosal level of defeat there has got me ROFLMAO anyway.
 
 
Bill Posters
11:19 / 26.09.02
Oh and if we're collating articles in the mainstream press this one by Zoe Williams is very good too.
 
 
GreenMann
12:25 / 26.09.02
Was there REALLY 400,000 victims on the march? I've never known the police, marchers+the Daily Mail all to agree demo figures so precisely.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:35 / 27.09.02
Possibly because most of the marchers and police read the Mail?
 
  
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