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Systems Music

 
 
Seth
13:31 / 22.09.02
I've recently been thinking about composing a few pieces myself, as the equipment I have tends to lend itself to those methods. I've got a few bits and bobs from various artists that use systems techniques of varying kinds, but I'd love to hear recommendations from other people. I'd also be interested to hear descriptions of various techniques that people here have heard of, or used/imagined themselves, along with a critique of the ideas of systems music as a whole.
 
 
reFLUX
19:59 / 23.09.02
dude, for people who don't know (like me) what is Systems Music?
 
 
Seth
20:56 / 23.09.02
Maybe the best way of describing systems music is to describe a piece made using that methodology...

Steve Reich's Pendulum Music is a particularly innovative concept, one that exemplifies this approach. It consists of microphones swinging past a stationary sound source, picking up more sound as they swing closer. However, the effect is also akin to when you hear a siren on a moving vehicle in the distance, with the apparent change of pitch as the vehicle moves closer to you, passes you, and then moves into the distance again (forgive my ignorance if "pitch" isn't the correct term). In this example, the system is created by the length of the microphone's swing, progressively shortening until the mic becomes stationary.

It's music made less by conventional means of composition, and more by setting rules or parameters. I play to start off small, by using percussive systems that interact in different tempos and time signatures. The techniques of systems music have long since become conventions in themselves, but they still offer a large area to explore for those who are unable to work on more linear forms of music (the tech at my disposal just doesn't suit that way of working).

Maybe if I explain my set up... I currently have access to a lot of mics, EQ, multi-effects and percussion instruments, with a rehearsal space set up in a part of town in which I can gather many interesting found sounds. My only recording technology comes from three mini-disc recorders and an classic tape deck (which I bet will create lovely warm feedback tones). I can set systems in motion using the mini-disc recorders, which lend themselves to random interplay far better than they do for multi-track recording, although I will have a limited multi-track style facility if I spend a lot of time making it work. The random interaction of two systems being played back from two of the mini-disc players, captured on the third.

Is this making sense at all? It's imagining a model for music that moves within a three-dimensional field, in which the various elements continue their disjointed paths until they collide in new, unexpected ways, forming musical moments. Let me know if this description has been at all helpful.
 
 
telyn
21:44 / 23.09.02
Is an example of systems music Poème symphonique by Gyorgy Ligeti?

I haven't heard this myself, but was taught about it. Exp, from what you said I think you've probably heard of this, but for those who haven't:

100 metronomes are wound up and released at the same time. The 'music' is then created by the 'tick/tocks' of all the different metronomes, which gradually become out of synch with each other as the springs inside the metronomes wind down. Eventually, the listener is left waiting for the last few metronomes to stop.

Apparently, live it feels just like a 'normal' piece of music, with the emotional journey you would expect.
 
 
reFLUX
19:15 / 25.09.02
your description of this music has excited me and makes me want to copy it. i haven't come up with any ideas yet. but i will.
 
 
The Strobe
20:54 / 25.09.02
I heard of the Lygeti a few weeks ago, in a comment in MacUser on an installation at the Design Museum. They compared a new installation to it.

The installation consists of 150 mobile phones hanging from the roof of a "tank", all at varying heights; they're meant to represent a shoal of fish. A few of the phones' numbers are displayed outside the tank. If you call one, the phone may ring, and the ring tones are specially programmed - but all the phones are also set up in redial loops, and so forward the call onwards. The effect is that the phones "shimmer", much like a shoal of fish. The ringing eventually dies out when all the calls have been forwarded, and the answerphones are reached. Then it can be tried again - and I guess that because of the varying time taken for calls to connect, it's never the same. Systems music? Not quite, but it's working on a similar principle.
 
  
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