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Alternate Intepretations of the Same Piece

 
 
The Strobe
09:36 / 22.09.02
I think this needs its own discussion area; it stems out of something harmony and exp were mentioning on the Late Shift.

Basically: how have alternate interpretations of the same piece of music shifted your expectations? This is mainly something that comes up with classical music, but there are equally valid points to be made in pop directions.

The thing that struck me, walking up the road, about Wendy Carlos' interpretaions of Bach is that they're simple 20th century applications of what we already knew - the pieces that are written for klavier are equally applicable on any keyboard instrument, and so the synthesizer is just a logical extension of that. They have to be approached in entirely different ways, though, for each instrument; Bach on a harpsichord is not played the same as Bach on a piano, obviously.

I've got five different recordings of the Goldberg variations. A naxos piano version (relatively good), Glen Gould (which is an acquired taste, and I haven't quite acquired it yet, though some of his touch is spellbinding), Andras Schiff (on Penguin Classics. Which is remarkable - a complete bargain, and a remarkable performance). Also, looser interpretations: the Jacques Loussier Trio playing it, in their jazz manner - but with a remarkable respect for the original Bach. I respect Loussier a lot, though his Vivaldi is only so-so, the Ravel is not good at all, and the Satie is barely interpretation - just a jazz group playing Satie, basically. And finally:

Uri Caine. Amazon link here. Caine takes the Bach aria, and plays it straight. He then goes off into 72 variations; many of them Bach's own, but as many Caine's. And "variation" no longer means variation of the notes, but also of the instrumentation. There are arrangements for klezmer band, for brass group, for Hammond, for soul band, arrangements played entirely electronically, some scratch ones if I recall, not to mention variations in the styles of other classical composers which are fun, but short enough not to be irritating. I love it; as with Loussier, there is a degree of respect there, but what he does is fascinating. More successful at some times than others, obviously.

Caine's also attacked Mahler, Wagner and Schumann. I'd be most interested to hear them.

So yes. What alternate interpretations should people be aware of? What are your opinions on it? I mean, is there ever any reason for lounge jazz covers? The Mike Flowers Pops? Or people like Caine, attacking the classics? Incidentally: I feel what I'm talking about is more than just a mere "cover". But maybe you'll disagaree with me there. Also: has your love of the original been broadened by other versions? Do you prefer the alternate to the original?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:12 / 22.09.02
I spent fucking ages trying to decide which Ring Cycle box set to buy a few weeks back... ended up with Gunter Neuhold. Which was fucking ace. A friend bought one (I couldn't tell you off-hand) which was arguably better- but had more audience coughing on the recording. Not sure if that adds anything, really, but there you go.
 
 
De Selby
03:08 / 23.09.02
Thelonious Monk.

"Hang on a second... that can't be right... oh... my... god."

What I don't know about music would fill a warehouse, but this is gold. And even I can tell you that. His versions of jazz standards are sublime.
 
 
The Strobe
07:02 / 23.09.02
Alex: oh, yes, absolutely. There's so much in those alternate takes... I really want the complete Columbia sessions, and not just the two discs I have. In fact, there's much to be said for alternative takes in jazz - some of Coltrane's alternatives are at least as marvellous as the originals. It all depends on your mood, and what you think of the solos.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:30 / 23.09.02
I think that alternate versions are most commonly run across in classical and jazz; and usually there's merely a difference in style between them. That is; as you point out, the difference between pianists is what's crucial in some works: Gould's stuff is championed, though his breathing and humming can irritate. Yvgeny Kissin can appear too machinelike, Daniel Barenboim too showy, Richter too frosty; that kind of thing. Ditto, bands' versions of jazz standards show differnt takes on parts of the song. Maybe it could be argued that they're like slashfic, or lit-crit; taking aspects often overlooked and making them shine?

For me, the difference in performance is what *makes* a recording. You could argue that there's a beauty in some pieces that it takes a fucking hamfisted monkey to obscure; say, Mozart, for example. Yet there are different performances that I like that bring out different things. Ditto, double ditto to Mahler: the recording of his 6th symphony that I love the best - bear in mind that Mahler called it "The Tragic", unofficially, and he wasn't exactly Carl Stalling - is a good deal slower than what's classically "accepted" as being the speed-range for the piece. But it fucking *works*. I think the genius of different players' touches is that there is a certain amount of scholarship, and a certain amount of feel, of interpretation that goes into each version. And when it works, the music *can* become utterly transcendental - but with another ensemble, it could become just a shit sandwich. And it's pot luck, but I've found, at least, that *listening* to more classical music is the way forward, because it does train you to pay attention to nuance. While it sounds snobby, I really do pick up on shitbox playing at live events and on disc now, because from all the interpretations I've heard of pieces, I can construct my "ideal" version in my head; which I guess makes me a non-music-reading conductor, as that's pretty much what *they* do. Make the score live, by corralling dozens of people and making them move towards a certain point.

I don't know. Does this make music like this into a just-for-wankers exercise? Maybe. But sometimes, there's moments of sparkling clarity - Keith Jarrett pulling a hackneyed, but strangely beautiful song out of shards of melody, or Lenny Bernstein giving it some stick in a way you'd never thought of before; it perhaps makes things that little bit more human.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:32 / 23.09.02
Addendum; like Stoatie suggests, this sort of thing reaches make-or-break point with opera. The difference between good and bad is hate and love, put simply.
 
 
Cop Killer
18:37 / 01.10.02
Since I know shit about classical or jazz or opera, I'm going with rock'n'roll on this one. This local power pop guy, Johnny Polanski, on his B-side to his song "Truly Ugly and Dead Too" does a version of Nirvana's "In Bloom" and basically made it sound like an early Beatles song, and it works, incredibly well, actually, and you can't even really tell it's the same song until the chorus, but it uses the same chords and the same words, but just uses them differently. Also, Big Black have two covers, Cheap Trick's "He's a Whore" and Kraftwerk's "The Model" that completely rework both songs and give them an ominous proto-industrial dark edge; both songs were kind of poppy and fun, but Big Black made 'em into something dangerous.
 
 
HCE
17:28 / 05.10.02
Tori Amos sings every song like she's about murder somebody.

Sonic Youth did a funny cover of the Carpenters' Superstar that really brought out the creepy obsessive side of that song.

Kurt Weill's music has been extensively reinterpreted and can sound by turns ominous, optimistic, or carnivalesque. This has affected my understanding not only of what music can do, but of what Kurt Weill might have meant.

Miles Davis has several takes of "Nuit sur les champs-elysees" on his score for Ascenseur pour l'echafaud each of which turns the tune to reveal another facet. Again, this tells not only about the tune, but also about Miles' brilliant musical thinking.

The thought of using a klezmer on Bach makes my skin want to peel off in screaming shreds. There oughta be a law. I do not revere all music the way I revere Bach's (for those who do not find Gould to their taste and cannot correct this problem, I suggest either Edwin Fischer or Tatiana Nikolayeva).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:44 / 05.10.02
i see we're drifting rapidly off the point... but as we do, I'll chuck in Coil's "Tainted Love" (released as an AIDS benefit... just THAT much context makes it a far creepier song) and the Fatima Mansions' "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)"- deeply, deeply sinister. Though not quite as disturbing as the original, which had you doubting any faith you may have had purely through its very existence...
 
  
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