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Chaos Magick : different ways of making sigils

 
 
spondaman
10:52 / 21.09.02
I've been browsing through a lot of internet sites about chaos magick and on the topic of sigils, they all tell you the same thing.
The same production proces is explained.
I was wondering, isnt there annother way of making sigils ?
Do we need to use our alphabet system to create a sigil ?
Isnt a sigil just a compressed symbol of meaning to the person who created it ? If so, why wouldn't it be able to give the same meaning to a made-up symbol, without using the methods of 'compression'(making a symbol out of the letters of a compressed sentence), a symbol which doesn't need to use a system like the alphabet ?

I was wondering about this, because it seems that chaos magic relies on a personal system of beliefs. Why is it then, that in need to make a sigil, you have to use an old system of symbols to create one ?
 
 
De Selby
12:16 / 21.09.02
Short Answer : You don't have to use anything to create sigils that you don't want to. Download some audio editing software and create an auditary sigil. Go crazy with the trashy magazines and make a collage. Anything to symbolise your intent.

I think most instructions on sigilisation use the alphabet merely for practicality.
 
 
spondaman
16:23 / 21.09.02
Thanks, it was only logical that the alphabet wasnt the only option.
 
 
—| x |—
21:14 / 21.09.02
While the spirit of chaos certainly would allow that sigils could be created from anything one thought appropriately encapsulated one’s desires, there might be practical reasons to using the alphabet. As we are symbol using creatures, in so far as thought appears to be linked to representations of meaning via some set of coding devices, the alphabet makes up the atomic bits of our readily understood vehicles of meaning. Thus, when we formulate our desires in a sentence, we are likely able to express these desires clearly and concisely to the conscious mind; this is to say, since the meaning of words and their composite meaning in a sentence is more fixed (but not entirely rigid), we are likely able to create a more precise formulation of our desires and intent using the tools of representation of our language.

Certainly, there could be many other methods to represent our desires and intent: cut-ups, collages, paintings, drawings—the list is only limited by our imagination. However, it seems to me that the creator of the sigil needs to posses a higher degree of self-awareness if he or she wants to use more abstract forms to represent desires and intent. I would say that this is because, when using non-alphabetic representation, we are moving from something that expresses a higher degree of clarity—the more fixed reference of words—to that which is already symbolic—the less fixed realm of pictures and images. This requires that we have an acute sense of what these symbolic and/or abstract representations mean to us. By using a non-linguistic representation of desire and intent, we move from a clearer expression of these into a murky area of already semi-conscious expression. Again, I do not think that it isn’t acceptable to use non-alphabetic representation, I only think that in order to use such methods, the individual practitioner must be that much more aware of what these non-alphabetic expressions mean to him or her self. If there are unrecognized or already subconscious elements of association in the non-linguistic representation of desire, and if this representation is intended to be used as a magickal vehicle of fulfillment, then these elements will have a greater chance of disrupting the intended results (although remember: results are never exactly as expected), and thus, the magick of the sigil is more likely to manifest itself in ways that are further removed from the original intent.

Thus, the alphabetic formulation of sigils seems more apt to do the work that sigilization is intended to do. By stating our desires and intent in a precise fashion using a sentence, we have a greater degree of clarity in expression and association; thus, when the sentence is manipulated into a sigilized format—a symbolic and composite expression of the desire and intent in a single pictorial representation—then the resultant meaning of the sigil would seem to have a greater degree of focus with respect to the associations of the unconsciousness. Therefore, the sigil itself would likely have a higher chance of manifesting more directly intended results.

Of course, part of magick is experimentation, and so, the individual is truly free to create sigils in any manner that he or she finds yields results. The above analysis is merely an attempt to understand why sigilization might be better suited to manipulations of the alphabet rather than the manipulations of more complex images: the associations we have of words to concepts/ideas/feelings seem more clear and precise to the conscious mind than the associations we have of other forms of representation; thus, if sigilization is a method to manifest conscious desire and intent via the unconscious, then the more precise our desires and intent are expressed in the sigil, the more likely these will manifest closer to our expected and sought for result.
 
 
illmatic
14:23 / 23.09.02
Actually, Austin Spare recommends automatic drawing as a way of creating more "authentic" sigils and getting in touch with the hidden parts of ourselves. You can find this information at the end of his Book of Pleasure There's also the article on justapostional magick in Kaos magazine, do a serch for the thread here. (Too lazy to recall HTML)
 
 
illmatic
14:30 / 23.09.02
Actually, I don't know if this linked version contains that chapter. Will check when I get home.
 
 
Warewullf
19:44 / 23.09.02
I've had an idea about acoustic sigils.
(I haven't tested this, though.)

Create your Statement of intent.

Convert it to musical notes.

Program into your mobile phone.

Instant Magickal Ringtone!

Use for one month (or until the novelty wears off. ie, when you get bored and no longer think of the tone as magical and forget what it's for.)

Maybe synch with moon phases (e.g. use from one full moon to the next.) or other meaningful phenomona.

After alloted time, delete from phone to banish.

This may have the added benefit of getting extra charge from others who hear it. (Although they may slap you for having an awful sounding ringtone since it would be unlikely that a S.O.I would convert into a nice-sounding tone!)


NOTES: I suggest creating a couple of Magickal Ringtones at a time and randomly picking one to put into your phone. It will help with forgetting what the original S.O.I. was.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
20:01 / 23.09.02
I'm sure that Grant Morrison suggests somewhere that the reason sigils work is because language is the binding agent of the universe. Wouldn't that mean that it needs to be language to work?
 
 
cusm
15:42 / 24.09.02
I've used the automatic drawing approach, and its worked for me. But the reasons for that are that the image I came up with means something to me on a symbolic level, kind of like a pictogram. When I look at it, I can understand why it means what it means, even though it was not based on letters, but rather subconscious shape elements that are a language of their own. So yea, language is important. So long as it can speak to you though, it should be valid.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:02 / 29.09.02
I've had some pretty good results using drawing packages on the 'puter. Sometimes I do the whole "state intent and knock out the vowels and repeated letters" thing, sometimes I just leave my stated intent as-is. I then type the resulting gibberish into a drawing package. I like to use a coloured font on a patterned background. Then I apply various effects until the text becomes illegible. Makes pretty pictures, and seems quite effective.
 
  
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