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Oni Editor question???

 
  

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Tamayyurt
22:51 / 20.09.02
Does anybody know the name of any editors working at Oni Press? I want to submit something (that's rather brilliant actually) but they don't accept unsolicited material. So I figured if I had their name and added a note Requested Material they'd be fooled into opening it (and of course, fall in love with my project and beg me to publish it through them )

or even better, if any of you have connections... hook a brotha' up!

Thanks.
 
 
paw
23:01 / 20.09.02
maybe cameron might be useful here?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
02:28 / 21.09.02
they're all easily available at cons... you might want to try that approach. i've never found "fooling" anyone to be the slightest bit worthwhile in pursuing this line of work.

why are you pushing for oni in particular, btw?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
02:29 / 21.09.02
furthermore, couldn't you answer your own question within seconds of going to their site or opening one of their comics?
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:13 / 21.09.02
I tried their site and there's no mention of them. I don't have my comics with me (and won't for the rest of the weekend) so I can't check.

Why am I pushing for Oni in particular? I don't really know. I like them, but I've also sent a proposal package to Avatar. I just find Oni better suited for my purposes.
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:14 / 21.09.02
probably because Avatar is all "cock and gore".
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
10:25 / 21.09.02
What about drawn + quarterly, fantagraphics and slave labor? They all take submissions...
 
 
remorse
11:25 / 21.09.02
Jamie S. Rich : Editor in Chief

Joe Nozemack : Publisher

I have no connections, I just picked the names from a hat.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:07 / 21.09.02
All well and good.

But Oni does not accept, nor will they read, unsolicited submissions. Your package will be returned or destroyed unread.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:25 / 21.09.02
I know: I want to submit something (that's rather brilliant actually) but they don't accept unsolicited material. So I figured if I had their name and added a note Requested Material they'd be fooled into opening it
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:46 / 21.09.02
Actually, Jack Fear and Sleazenation have sort of convinced me to not take this route. I don't want to risk alienating these people right of the bat.

What if I scan and put what I do have of the comic online and post the link on the Oni message boards with most of the information I was planning on sending in the package? It's less aggressive.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:58 / 22.09.02
Y'know, Oni are pretty much my dream publisher, but I can't help but think that your attitude right off the bat is a little skewed, impulsivelad. Your second plan is much better, but how about this: put the comic online for it's own sake - people will read it there - and then sure, pimp the hell out of it on comics-related message boards. And if your shit is tight, the publishing guys will hopefully come to *you*...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:32 / 22.09.02
Does that "pimp the hell out of it on message boards" thing ever really work? I know that I'm considerably less likely to check out something like that, cos I resent that kind of trolling and selfpromotion on discussion boards. I know I'm not alone in that...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
09:52 / 23.09.02
Just out of curiosity, as I'm about to launch my webcomic, what does work, without being an absolute troll? I plan on doing a lot of actual "actual" promotion, a few well-placed and snazzy (my girlfriend has the best photo printer on Earth) posters in some well-chosen NY-area areas, but I'd also like to get the word out around here (e.g. the internet). But yeah, who wants to hear another, 'YO! MY WEBCOMIC, 'SLAY OR BE SLAIN' RAWKZ AND IT'S ONLY ON WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/USER6849239304/SLAY.HTML! BE THERE.'

My comic is not called 'Slay Or Be Slain.'

Benjamin.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:24 / 23.09.02
I know that I'm considerably less likely to check out something like that, cos I resent that kind of trolling and selfpromotion on discussion boards.

I'd agree that it's a fine line, but there are at least a few discussion boards which actively invite you to post links to work you've done, either in occasional/frequent threads for that purpose or actual sections of the site. I also think that as long as you don't make an idiot of yourself when you're doing it, you can't let the fear that anyone will consider it inappropriate self-promotion stop you... If someone tells you politely that they don't like that sort of thing round their way, apologise and don't do it again. If they tell you to fuck off, they're being the bastard...
 
 
grant
18:24 / 23.09.02
What about submitting an online form to moderntales.com?
 
 
sleazenation
19:47 / 23.09.02
alternatively get involved in some comics related fansites - most are crying out for more quality reviewers. Write reviews for comics you like - get to know people - get to know your fellow reviewers - get them to have a look/review it.
 
 
moriarty
19:57 / 23.09.02
Impulsivelad, almost every Oni creator I can think of had their start with a lesser publisher (sometimes a greater one), or self-published. They made a name for themselves. Self-publishing doesn't necessarily mean investing alot of money. You can go the webcomic route or print up mini-comics. I have copies of zines I picked up about seven years ago by the current writer and artist team of Sidekicks, published by Oni. They kept plugging away, producing comics, getting into anthologies, until they got where they are. Do you have a full team already set up, or is this something you'll need more people for? Things to consider.

What both of you might want to try is sending copies of your comic to editors and professionals, not as submissions, but as gifts. Many cartoonists started out making mini-comics themselves and would probably be happy to take a look at your work, give a little quote, or even provide a guest artist sketch. The worst that can happen is they'll chuck it. In the case of promoting a webcomic, it's even better, because if someone likes your stuff they might link to it. Be polite, and don't send form letters.

I really think that providing regular content is a big deal for gathering a substantial audience. And if you can add things that are less time consuming for you to make(like Penny Arcade's reflections of the gaming industry, behind the scenes sketches, or a spot on a friend's message board/a board of your own), you'll get the viewer to linger a little longer and forgive longish breaks in production. Get your friend's to link to it in their blogs. And when posting notices on message boards, scope your territory first for proper etiquette and the correct place to post. The Comics Journal board welcomes announcements so long as they contain the word HYPE at the start of the title. Here on Barbelith, it's the opposite in that most people post their work asking for crits. To be honest, though, I can't imagine that posting on message boards is even close in importance to sticking to a schedule. How many times has Cat and Girl been plugged here without the artist ever showing up herself? Get a cult following.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:34 / 24.09.02
i was wondering if -- now that we've answered the questions about editors and submissions -- we could hijack this thread into something about Oni Press itself. I'm curious about what it is about Oni that inclined you to pitch there? What is the Oni "brand" overall? What kinds of things seem to work for them, and what does their company seem to stand for? I don't know that i've seen enough to answer myself... any ideas about the Oni gestalt?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:57 / 24.09.02
I'll be the snarky one who suggests that perhaps part of the reason many young industry hopefuls are keen on working for Oni is cos Oni mostly publishes very amateurish, mediocre comics, the kind of comics that most resemble the work of fledgling talent. Perhaps its just that Oni seems like the company with the lowest level of quality control of all the major indie publishers, and hence seems like the easiest company to work for.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
21:33 / 24.09.02
yeah... i've heard that too, before... was hoping people were just being, well, wrong about that... is it the case that book by book, they're actually not so hot? are their books actually by output percent any worse than say wildstorm?

one of the few oni books im intimately familiar with is "Marbles In My Underpants" and that's become one of my favorite comics of all frickin' time... so they can't be all amateurs and garbage, can they?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:51 / 24.09.02
Well, after I posted that, I looked at the Oni site looking for something that might remind me that what they publish is anything better than average, and the best I could come up with was that they publish Andi Watson, who I kindasorta like. They have some decent artists in their stable, but the writing - oh dear lord, the WRITING. Have you ever read through Kissing Chaos or Pounded? Jesus Christ, it's TERRIBLE.

This is my cynical, elitist take on Oni's appeal: they aren't standard spandex comics, but they aren't much smarter or better written than the average mediocre tv show or movie, so they don't threaten the readers in any way. It's the ideal thing for the Warren Ellis Forum crowd, they can get the good warm feeling of supporting an indie and not reading the spandex filth, but they don't have to challenge their fanboy sensibilities.

I don't think that Oni is all that bad, or that their bad comics are that much worse than anyone else's bad comics. I don't think they are bad for the industry or the art form at all. I just think the comics they publish are lame, lame, lame.
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:46 / 24.09.02
It's something to do with what Flux said but not exactly. Not the quality control thing more that they give amateurs a chance. And lets be honest, I am an amateur. Also, I think they're more generous with the marketing side than, say, Avatar or the other smaller presses. They'll do a little more than just give you a little box in Previews. They'll help get your comic out there (to a reasonable extent). Oni's gotten itself into the hearts and mind of store owners (maybe because they can get the good warm feeling of supporting an indie and not reading the spandex filth, but they don't have to challenge their fanboy sensibilities. ) and they're more likely to order a new book by No than most other smaller companies (not to mention put it on a visible spot on the 'new comics' rack)!
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:49 / 24.09.02
PS. and I do expect to be published so get yourselves ready for a (tasteful, non-trollish) thread about it and how you can order it
 
 
some guy
00:28 / 25.09.02
Not the quality control thing more that they give amateurs a chance

Except that they don't, what with not accepting submissions anymore.

Isn't Oni's sole claim to fame having Kevin Smith put his Jay & Silent Bob comic there? I agree with Flux - their books are largely crap, but appealing to a small faction who feel superior when their comics don't have spandex in them.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:47 / 25.09.02
Isn't Oni's sole claim to fame having Kevin Smith put his Jay & Silent Bob comic there?

BARRY WEEN. WHITEOUT. THE NOCTURNALS. Various Mike Allred work. HOPELESS SAVAGES. BLUE MONDAY. THE MARQUIS. Loads of Andi Watson's stuff. JETCAT CLUBHOUSE. POUNDED. QUEEN AND COUNTRY. Lots of Scott Morse books.

This, off the top of my head.

Whatever you may think of their quality, these books all have solid fanbases. If you regard the tangential Kevin Smith connection as Oni's "only claim to fame," I would venture that that says more about you as a reader than about Oni as a publisher.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
03:21 / 25.09.02
can someone give me a goddamn "word-up" on the Rene French thing? i mean, her comics are amazing, creepy, beautiful, totally fucked up -- david lynch as an indi comic chick -- and if oni did nothing but publish her they'd be almost my favorite company...
 
 
moriarty
03:23 / 25.09.02
WORD UP!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:35 / 25.09.02
Renee French is lovely, The Soap Lady is a great children's book. But with the exception of Marbles In My Underpants, which is just a compilation of previously published material, she's published by Top Shelf, folks. And before that, Fantagraphics.
 
 
some guy
10:45 / 25.09.02
If you regard the tangential Kevin Smith connection as Oni's "only claim to fame," I would venture that that says more about you as a reader than about Oni as a publisher.

What I meant was that Kevin Smith is what put Oni on the map. And while the titles you mention have fan bases, I'm not sure that the sales figures suggest they are "solid."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:12 / 25.09.02
Nah, most of those comics Jack mentions do pretty good - they sell at a pretty healthy level, at least for the way the industry is now. I think LL is right though - Kevin Smith put that company on the map. To a lesser degree, Blue Monday and Judd Winick.
 
 
some guy
12:16 / 25.09.02
I thought Oni sold worse than Vertigo levels. Is that healthy? What's the break-even point on indie comics these days, anyway? 10,000 issues? 5,000?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:26 / 25.09.02
I don't know the answer to that question.

I do know that Oni is a profitable operation, and that many of their cartoonists can afford to make a living from their comics alone, so it can't be that bad.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
13:43 / 25.09.02
i thought most of their writers also wrote for TV, which was how they oculd afford it, but anyway...

Oni also did the Blair Witch comic which sold extremely well. i never read it, but it wasn't an adaption, it was a whole 'nother connected tale.
 
 
grant
13:46 / 25.09.02
...with art by Bernie Mireault.

I like ONI. They do B/W comics without apologizing.
 
  

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