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Joke of the day : maurice papon is free

 
 
jUne, a sunshiny month
11:44 / 18.09.02
not this funny.
just got this, brand hot. aboce text is from CNN... sorry, nobody had spoke about this yet...


"World War II Nazi collaborator Maurice Papon has been released from a French prison, just hours after a court ordered he should be freed on health grounds.

Papon, 92, was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment in 1998 for complicity in crimes against humanity by signing deportation orders which sent French Jews to concentration camps.

The appeals court ruled his poor health was "incompatible with his remaining in detention" after a lower court had refused to free Papon and age and health grounds.

Justice minister Dominique Perben told France-Info radio: "We believed that his continued imprisonment was necessary, taking into account the seriousness of the charges against him."

Papon, a former police chief was imprisoned for 10 years in 1998 for his role in deporting Jews to Nazi death camps during World War II.

Papon, who went on to become budget minister after the war, was the highest ranking former French official sentenced for collaboration with the Nazis.

He led the Bordeaux area police during the Nazi occupation of France and signed orders that led to the deportation of 1,690 Jews from Bordeaux between 1942-44. Most of those deported went on to Auschwitz.

The court ignored the request of the public prosecutor that Papon be kept in La Sante prison, Paris, because releasing him could present "trouble for public order," Reuters reported.

CNN's Jim Bittermann said: "The court said Papon was too ill to continue his sentence.

"He will remain under a kind of house arrest and will have to advise authorities of his movements following his release."

His six-month trial reopened painful memories about France's wartime collaboration and sparked a national debate on jailing the elderly.

Papon's legal team has launched a number of attempts to get him freed

The last request was filed earlier this year after a new clause in French law said inmates could be released if two independent doctors agreed the prisoner was either suffering from a fatal illness or that long-term health would be endangered by continued incarceration. Papon has had heart surgery.

When a French judge rejected the bid, Papon's lawyers appealed.

One of them Francis Vuillemin, told The Associated Press: "It is a crucial moment in his life. It is a great victory. He is totally free to come and go."

Jewish groups have vehemently opposed Papon's liberation and French President Jacques Chirac has turned down three requests to pardon Papon since he was convicted in 1998.

Serge Klarsfeld, a Nazi hunter and historian who helped produce much of the evidence used at Papon's trial, said the decision to free him "gives a feeling of injustice."

"We had fought so that he would stay in prison," Klarsfeld told AP. "What I hope is that this sick man doesn't turn out to be healthy."
 
 
Fist Fun
14:15 / 18.09.02
Is there any point in punishing a sick 92 year old man? Actually yes, I would be being ageist to suggest otherwise.

Should the crime committed affect the treatment of a prisoner? Would it be ok to let an ill 92 year old in for financial fraud out early? Maybe a humane treatment of Papon would be a way of balancing out some of the inhumanities carried out during his life. Perhaps granting respect and dignity to even the worst elements of society is a more fitting approach.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:09 / 18.09.02
I heard (briefly) about this on the radio this morning... I have mixed feelings. Of course justice should be done, and I would have no compunction about treating Nazi war criminals inhumanely. However, that's why I would be a bad choice to run a country.

What is achieved by punishing an old man? That's the question. Is it justice or revenge at this point? I don't know.

I think, if I'm brutally honest with myself, I go with the "burn in hell" option. Not sure if that makes it the right one to take, though.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
18:37 / 18.09.02
This is the price we pay for getting to say "our way is better". Because this is what is merciful over what is quite possibly deserved. I don't like it, but I do approve.
 
 
jUne, a sunshiny month
06:36 / 19.09.02
Well, I know that "our way is better", but hearing the guy talk lets you know that even if his body is fucked up and quite already dead, his brain, his ideas, his own persona are still quite well, believe me...
He doesn't speak that much, you'll tell me. But 4 or 5 years ago, I remember seeing some of his advocates saying that he could surprise a lot of people if he was able to be listened to; but i don't think that nobody, even justice, really want to hear some old man saying that for him, he didn't did such bad things. this guy is still cynical and will never say he regrets anything...

Right, after all, he just signed the paper for a decent part of holocaust, after all.

I'm not saying "he killed, he must be killed !". i'm not into this.
but as a lot of french people feel it, it looks like by now, nobody can say "LET'S KILL JEWS !" anymore, uh (please, tell me nobody can, uh ?...) ? so now they say "FREE PAPON !". I mean, this guy spent nearly all his life FREE ! He went in jail only 4 years ago! He was 88 years old when he went in jail! It's just a joke.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:08 / 19.09.02
If so, it's a very old, dusty one. There are some much newer, nastier jokes in France, if you take a look around.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:09 / 19.09.02
Can I just remind people that rather than posting whole news stories, they should summarise them and link to them - and add their comments or opinions to the summary. This is for a variety of reasons, including fair use and copyright, but mainly to do with making threads easy to read.
 
 
jUne, a sunshiny month
06:28 / 20.09.02
sorry Tom. eh, you know, you can call me "june" instead of "people"...
more seriously, i was thinking that telling from where i got this was better for copyright security... now i didn't thinked about linking it, and for this i deserve baaaaad, baaaaad punition.
 
  
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