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Invisibles as magic

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

01:10 / 18.09.02

ok, so everyone knows that GM has said the invisibles was some kind of Hypersigil and many people (myself included) have reported strange feelings/experiences upon completion of a read.
Here is my theory though,

The comic was a hyper sigil, however it was not to open our minds and allow us to be happy moon children or anything like that.
Grant Morrison created a ritual in comic book form to make himself cooler. As far as I can tell GM started looking like KM more and more throughout the life of the series, which supports my theory, but not completely.

Is it possible that GM acted as Robin did in the story, writing himself a part as an ultra suave tantric god and he is now more like KM and hence, in his mind, cooler?
Or, could it have been a ritual to summon the spirit of King Mob and all he personifies so that grant could be possesed and be the person he always wanted?

I came up with this after way to much algebra, so if i sound stupid, let me know

01:27 / 18.09.02

i've always wondered about the similar appearance of king mob and morrison.

01:44 / 18.09.02

A hypersigil, as far as I can tell, is a process of using a fictional world as a 'wishing engine'. King Mob is to GM what Promethea is to Sophie in "Promethea", I think. A representation of an imagined higher self that you get to wear.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

02:13 / 18.09.02

but the similar appearence only happened after the invisibles began, in animal man he looked quite different.

Fool--i have never seen a definition of hypersygil explained that way, it does give my ramblings a tad bit more credebility though.

02:58 / 18.09.02

when I was so much smaller and cleaner I used to read 2000AD (we're talking like 10 years ago). And in one of the author profiles he had the shaved head and the penchant for black clothing.

I don't know how that affects your theory. Maybe he had tried to get to the King Mob "state" non-magickally and gave up, so he created a symbol of this state, ie. King Mob the character, and worked himself into the story.

but then, he obviously wrote the Robin character as himself in terms of the writing at least, and in interviews he's said that with a team of characters, each character gets a small part of him assigned to them (as you would expect from any author).

03:01 / 18.09.02

or hang on.... in the bits where KM gets tortured by Sir Miles, he's recalled his childhood, and how he started kinda "fab", then went punk and shaved his head.... so maybe thats the GM I saw in 2000ad as an impressionable (yet oh so clean) youth.

now you got me thinking...

Sirhan Sirhan Solo

04:52 / 18.09.02

It's not uncommon for writers to put parts of themself into their work (to some degree, at least). In interviews, Morrison talks about how he began to see parallels between things that had happened to King Mob and things that later began to happen to himself, then decided that if he could make nasty things happen to himself by writing about them, maybe he could also enact more positive changes in his life through writing about them.
Then again, are we to believe that Morrison is the punk-rock, comic-writing version of "Bridget Jones' Diary"?

Wrecks City-Zen

20:30 / 18.09.02

Considering the concept of the Invisibles as a hyper-sigil for some time now and I do have a few thoughts.Morrison cast himself as King Mob, that's a given.(KM of course Kether and Malkuth - Unmanifest to Manifest- or simply K= 1000 M=1000 KM=2000)When he wrote the episodes of KM being infescted,Morrison became violently ill.We were all wanking away on Nov 23 and for what?Princess Di happened soon after...and Morrison scribes JLA and X Men.

20:38 / 18.09.02

plus when the cops raid KM's flat they find his books which are written by a Grant Morrison.

23:38 / 18.09.02

coincidentally, what kind of weird feelings/experiences have you people experienced after reading the whole comic? generally i just get sore heads, what with there being so many damn trades to read through it's not surprising.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

23:50 / 18.09.02

Didn't he at one point describe the series as a "science fiction spell that you catch, like a cold"? That would seem to suggest that along with the KM/GM parrallels there was at least one other purpose to it, and that it had something to do with whoever was reading it.

00:33 / 19.09.02

I find myself wanting to say "Yes" to everyone's questions but if do that I'm sure to end feeling raw in all the wrong places.

Did GM write the Invisibles to make himself cooler? - Yes. It's pretty obvious that he did in so much that he was able to create a "fiction suit" - a fictional persona - that was pretty cool. But the implications of the act and GM's intentions were wider and deeper than superficiality. Part of the Invisibles hyper-sigil was an attempt to create new archtypes for the 21st century. Several people have mentioned how they have adopted the Lang archtype or Jack Frost archtype. Go back to the White Flame exercise and you can begin to see the lotus unfold. Who is GM? Who is dlotemp? Who are you? whomever we need to be. One fraction of the Invisibles experience allows you to realize how you can control your life.

KM, Gideon, et.al. are all infused with Morrison's actual background. Morrison was in a band named the Fauves, ie. the Fives, and was involved in all sorts of shenagans during his illicit youth.

Weird experiences? I end up feeling like a tuning fork for about 2 days after reading one of the trades. Once, I heard "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" 3 days in a row at the same time (noon) on 3 different radio stations. Pretty lame experience but what can you do?

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

23:21 / 20.09.02

i brought all this up because after i read vol 3 after a journey to San Diego to get all the issues and a 2 day wait for the mail to catch up with me at home i felt really strange/ill.
I got a feeling in the pit of my stomache like you might feel near a really big speaker playing really low base tone. i was shaking a little also, which was similar to the reaction i had to intimate contact for a long time, but thats another story i suppose.

07:47 / 21.09.02

Rex - are you saying that WE KILLED DIANA? Jesus...

It's KIRK Morrison, not Grant, who's responsible for writing KM's trashy horror fiction, fact fans...But then, KM's other alias begins with G, doesn't it?

Interesting how Mr 6 also claims to have made his extra cash from writing 'racy novels' in v3...

The whole KM=KetherMalkuth thing...Damn. I wish I could notice stuff like that. So obvious...

And Morrison has said, in at least one interview, that he expected to wind up changing places with KM at some point. So I'd say Mr D Pressed is on the money, at least partly. But I've always thought a HYPERsigil can have more than one intention...

Wrecks City-Zen

00:51 / 22.09.02

I always had a hunch that KM and Jon Six were two sides of the same coin...apart from Glastonbury Tower,when were they together?Maybe Im wrong...

Rex - are you saying that WE KILLED DIANA? Jesus...
After all Vandal, It was you and me...

Who is GM? Who is dlotemp? Who are you? whomever we need to be.
MMMWAHAHAHA...Im not even going there diotemp...I'll just say it's nice to see you.