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Atavism?

 
 
De Selby
03:02 / 17.09.02
This might sound decidedly daft, but after reading a post in the Comics&Magick thread, I saw this...

Wolverine and Beast are like AOSpare atavisms or people who have invoked an atavism.

And realised I have no idea what an atavism is. Now, I could go look it up, but generally the descriptions various people give here are better anyway.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
03:27 / 17.09.02
I said it, I say what I think means.

An Atavism is like an earlier form in evolution. A lot of genetic information pertaining to earlier forms of life are "backed-up" in our latent genes. When these traits surface they are atavistic.

Austin Osman Spare used to work with Atavisms. (i think) An example from pop culture, other than comics, would be the episode of Star Trek: Next Generation where the crew developed traits of animals. Barkley became a man-spider and someone became a ape-man.
 
 
De Selby
03:33 / 17.09.02
hmmm... interesting. How does this relate to Mr Spare? Was he trying to bring out Atavistic traits in people or some such thing?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
03:40 / 17.09.02
I think he brought them out in himself.

I want to have the strength of a tiger sort of thing. Anyone know more about Spare and Atavisms?
 
 
De Selby
03:46 / 17.09.02
but we didn't evolve from tigers. So is that, strictly speaking, an atavism?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
06:10 / 17.09.02
maybe that is a bad example.
Strip down to your shorts and go hunting with a spear. Atavistic consciousness will start to come into play. Even though I killed nothing the experiment had effects.

I was able to sneak up on animals at a running pace. My aim improved quickly. and so on.
 
 
illmatic
09:11 / 17.09.02
A reasonable lucid quote from the man himself, from The Book of Pleasure, section entitled "The Storehouse of memories with an Ever-Open Door":

"Know the sub-conciousness to be the epitome of all experience and wisdom, past incarnations as men, animal, birds, vegetable life etc etc. everything that exists, has and ever will exist. Each being a stratum in the order of evolution. Naturally the lower we probe these strata, the earlier will be the forms of life we arrive at; the last is the almighty simplicity. And if we suceed in awakening them, we shall gain their properties, and our accomplishment shall correspond....Now if we observe nature, the early forms of life and wonderful in their properties, adaptability etc; their strength enormous, and some are indestructible. No matter what there desire is, it always is its accomplishment. A microbe has the power to destroy the world (and certainly would if it took an interest in us). If you were to dismember its limb it would regrow etc. So by evoking and obecoming obsessed or illuminated by these existences, we gain their magical properties or knowledge of their attainment. This is what already happpens (everything happens at all times) though exceedingly slowly; in striving for knowledge we repel it, the mind works best on a simple diet."

Spare is not anymore explicit elsewhere about working with atavism (I think) but you'll find several a couple of stories in the works of Kenneth Grant, his liteary executor and influential occultist in his own right, though their truth or otherwise is debatable (like a lot else in KG's books). The most well-known story concerns Spare carrying a huge amount of wood over a long distance in London and most importantly, not realising what an extraordinary feat of strength this was. The "not realising" bit is important because it denotes the "sub-conciousness" or whatever at work, earlier sigils coming to fruition without his concious knowledge.
 
 
illmatic
09:22 / 17.09.02
More Spare
here and and good intro article here
 
 
De Selby
03:06 / 18.09.02
interesting stuff. I kinda wonder what a person who was acting like a single-celled life form would be like.

but cheers for the info.
 
 
Sirhan Sirhan Solo
04:45 / 18.09.02
I'd imagine that someone acting like a single-cell organism would probably just shlupp around and consume things by phagocytosis. Of course, that's just my opinion.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
06:38 / 18.09.02
Animalman devided.
 
 
illmatic
08:24 / 18.09.02
Hmm. Kinda like the film "The Blob", I guess. I think Spare thought the simplier something was, the more powerful. And I am quite simple cos I cocked up that HTML. Intro article at http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/144_spare2.shtml
 
 
Sebastian
12:04 / 18.09.02
Alex wrote: I kinda wonder what a person who was acting like a single-celled life form would be like.

Go see Tele-Tubbies...

Anyway, acquaintances of mine that visited Russia between seventies and eighties described it just like that.
 
 
Sharkgrin
06:40 / 21.09.02
Sirhan Sirhan Solo stated:
"I'd imagine that someone acting like a single-cell organism would probably just shlupp around and consume things by phagocytosis. Of course, that's just my opinion."

Kinda' like President Bush.
 
  
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