BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Latest: Iraq agrees to weapons inspections.

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
22:10 / 16.09.02
Iraq agrees to weapons inspections.

Iraq says it will allow U.N. weapons inspectors to return "immediately and without conditions."

The word came Monday in a letter delivered a letter to U.N. Secretary- General Kofi Annan.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:24 / 16.09.02
No! Not good enough! Everyone knows inspectors can't find Saddam's secret underground missile factories run by moles! Bomb them anyway.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
22:26 / 16.09.02
Wait! Now Bush looks like a genius for taking a hardline against Saddam! We can't let this happen! Bombs away!
 
 
sleazenation
22:27 / 16.09.02
same story on the bbc

The devil will still be in the detail -

The above report also notes that
Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has meanwhile confirmed that he has ordered US and allied aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones in the north and south of Iraq to increase damage to Iraqi targets.


Nothing like a diplomatic solution eh?
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:35 / 16.09.02
Asd far as I can tell, the Saudis won't allow the US to use their bases without a specific UN resolution. And it isn't clear that Russia and China will allow such a resolution to pass. So is it at all likely that the US will accept this offer? Or does Bush really need a war?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:17 / 17.09.02
I don't see why Bush doesn't just nuke the whole world. This is so depressing. Particularly 'Mr Powell said on Monday that the UN Security Council was moving towards the US position'. Oh and 'the US is continuing to shift military hardware close to Iraq'. Let's just kill the whole population of Iraq with bombs and guns because hey the US president wants to stay in power and make oodles of money. It doesn't matter how many young men, women and children are dying... it never matters. As long as you have shiny white teeth.
 
 
bacon
00:45 / 17.09.02
"Saudi Arabia said it would allow the US to use its bases there for a strike on Iraq - providing the action is endorsed by the UN." - BBC

That's one hell of a provision. The Pakistani's have agreed to give control of the territories of Kashmir to India - providing Areal Sharom and Yassir Arrafat make a gay porn together. It's an empty gesture.
 
 
bacon
00:49 / 17.09.02
And as a citizen of a representational democracy let me tell you, even if every American sent a letter to the White House expressing they're negative views of a campaign against Iraq, nothing would stop Bush from carrying out acts of agression in Iraq. With the right investments war is very lucrative.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
03:40 / 17.09.02
The first Gulf War was endorsed by the UN.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:11 / 17.09.02
Bush doesn't seem to be taking "okay" as much of an answer, though. If anything, he seems more pissed off than ever because that's another of his excuses gone. Much as I have no time for Saddam, I think accession on this point was a stroke of near-genius in the propaganda stakes.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:37 / 17.09.02
With the right investments war is very lucrative.

Interestingly, the market reacted very well to a perceived diminished likelihood of war - there seems to be a question about the strength of the Bear market to handle a protracted conflict, and a concern that we could be pushed into a recession rather than recovery.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:52 / 18.09.02
O-ho! Very interesting. Of course this IS just Saddam playing the UN off against the US, as he's done so often in the last decade or so, but it really buggers Bush's plans. Now he's going to be forced to take aggressive action against a country that is no threat to America.
 
 
tango88
12:13 / 18.09.02
Originally the bombing campaign was scheduled for early next year but they moved it forward to late this year. It's common knowledge the bombing is not really connected to the weapons inspections but it will be interesting to see what excuse they pull out of the hat now.

How I wish that all the time and money poured into this 'bomb Iraq project' could be used for something more constructive like housing the homeless or teaching our youth to question authority assertively. or am I just being naive?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:00 / 18.09.02
Yesterday the US government clearly stated that the weapons inspections were not enough. Now what that means exactly I'm not sure considering it's all that the Iraqi's were asked to do but I think it makes it quite clear that Bush just wants blood.
 
 
deja_vroom
16:21 / 18.09.02
First I thought "suck that, you fucking presidential ape!" when I heard of Iraq' move, but then, what the heck, war doesn't need reasons, just excuses. G. Bush will come up with something soon, I'm sure: "I didn't like Saddam's pouty lips when he announced Iraq's withdrawal. He made faces, let's blow him up NOW!"
This thread just remembered why visiting the Switchboard usually ruins my day...
 
 
nutella23
16:33 / 18.09.02
Good move on Saddam's part, though I'm sure something will happen soon. An Iraqi "connection" to some terrorist cell busted in the US or elsewhere, or another Gulf of Tonkin-type incident. When there's a will there's a way. I'm no more fond of him being in charge of Iraq than I am of Bush being president. How about this? First the UN deposes Saddam, but only if it follows up and forces regime change in the US as well? (Bad Nutella! Go to your corner!)
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:03 / 18.09.02
Rumsfeld wants "blank check" from Congress

Sec. of Def. Rumsfled today testified before congress that Saddam is a bad man, etc. and that the U.S. congress needs to authorize the President to use force prior to any security council deliberations/declarations.

Choice bit:

Two protesters, chanting "Inspections, not war," briefly interrupted Rumsfeld's testimony. A police officer escorted the women, who held banners with the same slogan, out of the hearing room.

Rumsfeld said the incident reminded him of the value of free speech, which he said Iraq does not provide its citizens.
 
 
kid coagulant
19:45 / 18.09.02
Speaking of Rumsfeld, there was an interesting article in Salon.com yesterday about the U.S. Defense Department's accounting practices:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/09/17/pentagon/index.html

'Over the past several decades -- going back perhaps as far as World War II -- the Pentagon's accounting system has evolved into a bookkeeping knot so rife with contradictions that it is virtually impossible to untangle. Recently, Rumsfeld noted that Pentagon accountants were unable to track an estimated $2.3 trillion in financial transactions for a single year's audit. According to one government study, the Defense Department on average does not know what happens to roughly 30 percent of what it spends.

The breakdown these numbers represent may be even larger than it seems -- if that can be imagined. They raise the question, How can the government truly calculate the amount of money it cannot track? The answer, according to numerous defense-spending analysts, is that it simply can't. At best, such figures are hazy assessments, uncertain clues to a problem so awesome in scale and complexity that it exists beyond the bounds of measurability.

"What is most disturbing to me is that, in program after program, [the Pentagon's] management procedures are so garbled that the General Accounting Office cannot even estimate -- cannot even estimate -- the level of inefficiency," Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., said in an address to the Senate last June. "This is a critical knowledge gap when one considers the fact that the Defense Department accounts for about 15 percent of the entire federal budget, and roughly half of all discretionary spending."

It is also a critical knowledge gap when one considers that this autumn, Congress is sure to add approximately $48 billion to the defense budget, bringing the Pentagon's total funding for 2003 to roughly $400 billion, roughly 6 percent more than the average yearly Cold War military spending.'
 
 
tango88
06:47 / 19.09.02
"Two protesters, chanting "Inspections, not war," briefly interrupted Rumsfeld's testimony. A police officer escorted the women, who held banners with the same slogan, out of the hearing room.

Rumsfeld said the incident reminded him of the value of free speech, which he said Iraq does not provide its citizens. "


That would be why America considers Saudi Arabia an ally, then. Or, for that matter, did Iraq have free speech when it was still America's friend.

Free speech makes more of an impact when it is actually received and acted upon.

I just also wanted to say that of all the ultra-conservatives, Rumsfeld pisses me off the most, the smug bastard.

There, I feel better now.
 
 
rizla mission
15:07 / 19.09.02
Recently, Rumsfeld noted that Pentagon accountants were unable to track an estimated $2.3 trillion in financial transactions for a single year's audit. According to one government study, the Defense Department on average does not know what happens to roughly 30 percent of what it spends.

!!!

Paging all conspiracy theorists..
 
 
nutella23
15:27 / 19.09.02
Everyone knows that money was appropriated to build Cheney's secret space station. Didn't you see "Moonraker"?
 
 
bacon
00:43 / 20.09.02
I'm too young to remember exactly, but the defense department released an accounting of funds. (sorry, i'm a little drunk) And there were $75 hammers and $15 rolls of toilet paper. Does anyone remember this, I was about 14. Remind me, please.
 
 
Saint Keggers
05:13 / 20.09.02
yeah didnt they also have 3000$ toilet seats anmd letter openers that cost 100$...I bet all that extra money went into building a better cage for Yog Sothoth.

I just heard that the UN says it wants to start inspections by mid next month. However Iraq says it may want to discuss terms and limits before anything is decided.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:50 / 20.09.02
Great cartoon in the New Statesman: the American eagle looks down furiously on the UN and says "You mean he expects me to take "yes" for an answer?"

Spot on.
 
  
Add Your Reply