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Can comic book be a magic tool ?

 
 
rorkboy
20:15 / 16.09.02
I`m preparing to practise concentration and sensory exercises, and also i`m making a little preparations for my own system. I think the easiest and most effective thing to start for me will be THE INVISIBLES comic book ( i know i`m not original at the moment ;-) ), - without that comic i wouldn`t be now interested in counterculture, discordianism or chaos magick. The comic itself is a great power battery, but can it be used as magical tool itself ? I mean both the ideas , messages and stories from the book and the comic as a physical object both. Peace - Rork
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:41 / 16.09.02
Two words diguised as one:SANDMAN
 
 
the Fool
21:47 / 16.09.02
JLA as thought forms.

Flash - Mercury
Superman - Zeus
Wonder Woman - Athena
Green Lantern - Vulcan? (also a 'maker' ? )
Aquaman - Poseidon
Batman - Apollo
Martian Manhunter - ... ? not sure, but a think you can see what I'm getting at.

Plus, there are so many superheroes to choose from. One for any occasion really...
 
 
Papess
22:57 / 16.09.02
The character lives in the realm the comic book depicts.

I used to spend many nights staring with deep desire at the poster I have of Dream. I met him on a few occasions and once I danced with him.

I would read a little of Sandman as I went to sleep and then gaze upon Him. It was only a matter of time before I found my way. Using the comic book as a magickal tool to layout the pathworking is very helpful and so is an image of the character hirself.

~MT
 
 
rorkboy
23:08 / 16.09.02
thanks ! :-) and have you got any ideas of concrete rituals or exercises with comic books ?
 
 
mixmage
23:14 / 16.09.02
this thread may be of interest.
this and this could also be relevant.
 
 
mixmage
23:30 / 16.09.02
In the absence of any concrete definition of the term "Hypersigil", I adopted the term and gave it my own meaning. To me, a hypersigil can be any work of art created with magickal intent... be it a song, painting or whatever. I have seen sigil techniques mentioned here which involved getting as many people as possible to "view" one's sigil, hypersigilizing is just another method... possibly underhanded, because it seeks to camoflage the working from mundane awareness.
Personally, I have hidden bindrunes within a canvas backdrop and have recently started applying the reasoning to music... I'll let you know how they progress.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
23:47 / 16.09.02
Flash - Mercury
Superman - Zeus
Wonder Woman - Athena
Green Lantern - Vulcan? (also a 'maker' ? )
Aquaman - Poseidon
Batman - Apollo
Martian Manhunter - ... ? not sure, but a think you can see what I'm getting at.

Gah, I love you Fool.

Don't forget Zan and Jayna, the primal twins (ala Frey and Freya)
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
23:51 / 16.09.02
AD: Zan, like "God" takes the form of water, and Jayna "Mother Earth" usually changes to some sort of animal...and Geek (or whatever), the monkey...

Hmmmm.Something there.

Wanna hear my Gilligan's Island as archetypes?
 
 
the Fool
01:38 / 17.09.02
Wanna hear my Gilligan's Island as archetypes?

Certainly!
 
 
ciarconn
02:28 / 17.09.02
I use the X-men as archetypes/toughtforms in my magickal rituals, to connect with certain types of magick (Psylocke love-manipulation, Cyclops sun-strategy, Wolverine healing-animality, etc.) and it has worked OK so far.
And I call Xavier my "patron saint". Particularly after what Morrison has been doing with him.

This is not war, call it medicine
 
 
rakehell
02:37 / 17.09.02
Just as an aside. When Grant was working on the JLA he had in mind pretty much the same structure as the Fool presents, except Batman represented Hades.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:47 / 17.09.02
Thank you rakehell I can't belive anyone would think that batman was an Apollo. Apollo is a god of light and art. Hades is a god of dark, he punishes evil doers and has an underground base. Clearly the better attribution.

Maybe Martian Manhunter is Apollo?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:59 / 17.09.02
ciarconn: Definitely see the potential to use NewXmeN as magical system since Morrison took over, same with JLA under Morrison. Coincidence, I think not.

Each Xmen character deals with some issue in magick. Xavier could be the mage the xmen like evoked archtypes. Xavier also evoked and then banished his "shadow" Cassandra Nova. Wolverine and Beast are like AOSpare atavisms or people who have invoked an atavism. Jean has invoked Pheonix/Horus. Scott was posessed. Xorn is pursuing the path of the boddhisatva. Emma Frost is working with sex magick such as astral sex.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:38 / 17.09.02
Strange...Just half an hour ago I was wondering about when I'd get to explain my theory that the Simpsons family are an allegory for the Wilson/Leary 8-circuit model of consciousness.

Seriously.

Homer = first-circuit oralist. Always eating donuts, drinking beer, etc. When confronted with danger, usually screams and runs away.

Bart = second-circuit territorialist. Sly, devious politician type. Always capable of turning situations to his advantage. Sprays graffitti around to confirm his territory (remember 'El Barto'?)

Lisa = third-circuit rationalist. Heavily into science, music, literature, and other symbol systems. Unable to understand why just about everyone else in Springfield takes such an illogical approach to everything. Good at scrabble.

Marge = fourth-circuit moralist. Tries to get Itchy & Scratchy banned. Warns the audience prior to one of the Hallowe'en specials, &c.

See? It all makes sense! Off the top of my head I can't remember any future circuit characters in the Simpsons, though.

And then there's my theory that Stewie, the talking, evil genius baby in Family Guy, represents an avatar of the aeon of Horus, the crowned and conquering child...

A NO LIFE! moment, this, I think...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
17:45 / 17.09.02
Um, has anyone thought to attribute Martian Manhunter to, uh, MARS??? Not to belittle anyone, but it is in his effin' name, after all...

Other JLA members as related to the Greco-Roman pantheon:

Plastic Man: Proteus
Green Lantern: Apollo
Huntress: Diana
Steel: Hephaestos

Eh, my cleverness is tapped out.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:52 / 17.09.02
Um, has anyone thought to attribute Martian Manhunter to, uh, MARS??? Not to belittle anyone, but it is in his effin' name, after all... excellent.
Though lets make it Aries to keep it consistently greek.
Who would be Dionysis?

velvetvandal version 2.0: awesome attribution. If Stewie is Horus, The Dog must be Anubis.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:52 / 17.09.02
The dog is fantomex!
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:55 / 17.09.02
Well, Plastic Man was refered to as Dionysis by Wonder Woman's Foe Circe durring the Rock of Ages story line.

Then There was "Orion" who Resembled Aries quite Closely & Big Barda who Resembled Athena

IMO, Wonder Woman played much more of a Hera roll in JLA.

Martain Manhunter could play Aries... but he didn't seem as agressive. I always saw him as a more Pan Animistic/Shamanic pressance adopted by the newer Pantheon.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:56 / 17.09.02
oh... and Oracle as, well... The Oracle
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
22:08 / 17.09.02
Well, Plastic Man was refered to as Dionysis by Wonder Woman's Foe Circe durring the Rock of Ages story line. perfect!
 
 
Sebastian
00:54 / 23.09.02
I am indulging myself in re-re-reading the 1st Authority TPB, a super-human team where the archetypal reference of each character was made simply evident, and quite straigthly, in issue 1:

Apollo, the sun king,
Midnighter, night's bringer of war,
Engineer, the maker,
Doctor, the shaman,
Jack Hawksmoor, the god of the cities
Swift, the winged huntress
Jenny Sparks, the spirit of the twentieth century

I remember when I first approached the series (1999?) without having ever heard or read about Stormwatch, that it was precisely this explicit reference to archetypes that demanded me to make a self-conscious step before joyfully immersing in the read, since my initial reaction was "who -and why- in hell are these guys??", as I was so much used to the standard biographical opening where you learn that the "superhero" was "bitten by a superpowered insect", and especially for Jenny and Hawksmoor, which portray archetypes that as far as I know have not been "embodied" by a fictional character outside this comic-book, and indeed belong to an interesting Warren-Ellis's copyrighted cosmogony.

In fact, the series evolved pretty much without disclosing practically anything about the "origins" -they are supposeddly to be learned in an alternate title- and the characters remained pretty archetypal themselves, even perpetually dwelling in their own interdimensional limbo, from which they can be anywhere in the world at any time they want.

I will now necessarily ask to the distinguished board of attending magi: comments? and, anybody worked with them?
 
 
ciarconn
02:34 / 23.09.02
IN relation with the urban magic thread. I started to work today with Hawksmoor (nice fella, if you speak to him rightly) and the drummer (from Planetary, crazy dude)
 
 
The Natural Way
12:00 / 23.09.02
Hmmmm....dunno about that superhero as God list up there. Batman as Apollo? Give me a break....

Here's mine (closer to Grant's, I think)

Supes: Apollo

Bats: Hades

Wonder Woman: Athena

Flash: Hermes

Plastic Man: Dionysus

Martian Manhunter: Ares

Aquaman: Poseidon

Green Lantern: dunno
 
 
The Natural Way
12:02 / 23.09.02
And, yeah, what the bloke up there said about Steel.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:03 / 23.09.02
Oh, and Huntress is Artemis.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:06 / 23.09.02
And there really is no fucking debate about Supes as Sun God (the biggest alpha male on the block, whose powers stem from our yellow sun...) Sometimes I just don't get you guys....
 
 
primaeval soup
12:09 / 24.09.02
rorkboy: can it be used as magical tool itself ? I mean both the ideas , messages and stories from the book and the comic as a physical object

If you’re not already, why not try using images from the comics as points-of-focus in your concentration practice – and throw some self-hypnosis techniques in there too – in an attempt to absorb the qualities, or lessons, embodied in the images.

E.g. I’m messing about with the pics of Noh-Varr un-crucifying himself in Marvel Boy #1 (no death-and-rebirth business for this young god-man – “behold! the rituals of the old time are black – let the evil ones be cast away”, various action pics throughout the series, and the last issue’s image of our hero being dumped into a black iron prison. That last one you may find helpful any time you’re feeling particularly down or stuck or hopeless – you can use “Welcome to the capital city of the New Kree Empire” as your post-hypnotic cue…
 
  
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