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A Cheap Holiday In Other People's Misery.....

 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:14 / 22.01.02
i don't expect much from the pink paper (uk free gay weekly) but their rave review of new york right now rather took the biscuit: "....the city has lost none of its charm. in fact, it's better than ever, what with its mass sales, discount prices, going-out-of-business offers and liquidations outlets".

i'm sure the writer is expressing what others are feeling, but i thought it sucked, frankly. and i've written a shortstroppyletter to say so. but am i over reacting?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:32 / 22.01.02
Depends. I've seen a couple of ads about (in cinemas? can't remember) that feature various people from service/tourism industries in the US exhorting people to come and see them. There's been presidential/celebrity announcements in the same style, too - tourism is such big business for NY that they're trying to show to people that travel and visits are OK.

Don't know. Could be that the paper was picking up on this? Admittedly, the presentation of the idea seems a bit insensitive, but there is a big push towards getting people's attention back on NYC as a viable destination, and somewhere that's still truckin' - not just a place of terrorist focus.

But maybe I'm talking out my arse: some of the NYC 'lithers would be far better equipped than I to address this.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:42 / 22.01.02
i've read the article a few times now, and there's a sense of irony running through it - the rubble of the twin towers appears to be becoming a tourist attraction, cab drivers who say stuff like "no other city has ever faced a threat of this scale before" - but it's not clear enough - it still looks as if the writer is saying - if you're a bit skint, get to nyc and make the most of it. but that may be down to editing - the pink paper does tend to chop things around. if it were me writing such a piece, i would want it to be absolutely clear that i was being ironic.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:53 / 22.01.02
Somewhat ironically, though, all that's really unusual here is that the destination for this "cheap holiday in other people's misery" is New York. Because unfortunately, this is basically what tourism is, almost by definition. There's a good (admittedly quite polemical) article about this here.

quote:Tourists are locusts. They strip bare the body of the earth. They render empty and desolate. They create the desert. They choke the air. Tourists float in on a cloud of cash, and buy up everything that can be neatly described in brochure-style adjectives. Their presence alone turns different cultures and peoples into petting zoos, where they can pay the price of admittance and gawk at the locals.

They're colonialists, operating in the wake of war and imperialist expansions. They create theme parks in foreign lands, collecting images of Nature, Other People, and Difference, to put it in a jar called Overseas Experiences, and take it home for the coffee table.

Tourists consume everything they come across in their adventures—their footsteps remake the world as commodity.


[ 22-01-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:59 / 22.01.02
quite true, flyboy.

just seemed rather openly distasteful, is all.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:59 / 22.01.02
Sure... and I definitely didn't mean that in the "hah! see how they like it!" sense - it's just interesting to see how The Effects Of September 11th (TM) have exposed America/'the West' in general and New York in particular to the kind of treatment that other parts of the world were already familiar with in more ways than one.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:59 / 22.01.02
hence my response to a thread in this section about how people in many countries might have been tempted to say "welcome to our world" after the wounded "no one's suffered like we've suffered" response of america to sept 11.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
10:42 / 22.01.02
With the utmost respect:

a) My natural response to the statement made above, even without the context of the surrounding article, would be that it was ironic.

b) How obviously ironic does something have to be before it becomes "allowably" ironic? Rather felt that a fair chunk of the point of this kind of irony is that the words have a sense beyond the immediate.

[ 22-01-2002: Message edited by: The Haus of Rain ]
 
 
Shortfatdyke
10:55 / 22.01.02
don't know if you're familiar with the pink paper, but the travel articles tend to be shallow, WYSISYG stuff. so it would be a change of direction, but you may well be right, haus.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
11:34 / 22.01.02
I share your queasiness with the Pink Paper blurb, sfd, but I feel a bit hypocritical in acknowledging this.

I have been one of Flyboy's locust-tourists, photographing the grassy knoll on Deeley Plaza in Dallas, making a pilgrimage to the Pont d'Alma underpass, taking advantage of the Gulf War to fit in a cheapo holiday in Egypt...

but then I think that, just maybe, "travel broadens the mind" and should be encouraged for that reason and because a lot of people depend on the business.

I guess that argument only works if you have a mind that's open to the rest of the world before you travel. I've encountered many fellow travellers who might as well have stayed at home for all the stretching to which their horizons were likely to be subjected.
 
 
Ganesh
11:38 / 22.01.02
And hey, let's not forget the transcendently tragic loveliness of the Taj Mahal's celebrated Diana Bench...
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:04 / 22.01.02
I've got to take some issue with the "Tourists are Locusts" polemnic. How many nations in this world have a GDP largely made of tourism revenue? The island of nations of the Carribean spring immediately to mind, as do some of the smaller European nations (Monaco, Luxembourg, etc.) How can tourists be locusts if Tourism is one of the few things that can bring up the standard of living for the inhabitants of a lesser developed country?

So I say to you, go on vacation. Stay in a five star hotel in Jamaica. Spend your money there. Employ a housekeeper, a lifeguard, one of those guys who braids white girls hair and sells a little weed on the side. Your guilt dollars can go a long way to assuaging third world poverty if you just stop staying in hostels and traveling on the cheap.
 
 
sleazenation
12:17 / 22.01.02
And its the great sustainable eco-tourism debate...

Tourist attractions are often similar to other natural resource (and are frequently are sometimes smaller developing countries are left with after being exploited by larger countries or gaining independence from a colonial regieme)

This means that they can as Zocher points out be used as a valuable source of income but without the proper controls/restrictions tourists can be more like the locusts zenith describes - damaging the very thing they came to see and robbing the developing country of one of its few means of generating income.

The only course of action for nation states in this situation is ec0-tourism that balences the need for tourist with the need to preserve the income generating sites that are popular with tourists

An example of this might be Belize the former British colony that has the second biggest barrier reef in the world
 
 
plank
12:49 / 22.01.02
It's surely only a matter of a time before an enterprising tour operater starts offering all-inclusive package holidays to the cave networks of Tora Bora. You can already spend the morning scampering around the vietcong tunnels in 'Nam (conveniently widened to accomodate the larger girth of the caucasian visitor) and the afternoon firing live AK-47 rounds.

As long as you do you damned best to be aware of what you are doing, and to ensure that the money you spend directly benefits local economies as far as possible, then tourism can be a good thing. (Obviously, in an ideal world and all that...)

Still, not really sure what the author of the roguestates article is advocating... that we all stay home??

[ 22-01-2002: Message edited by: haca ]
 
 
Ierne
15:29 / 22.01.02
...it's just interesting to see how The Effects Of September 11th (TM) have exposed America/'the West' in general and New York in particular to the kind of treatment that other parts of the world were already familiar with in more ways than one. – Flyboy

Um...New York has always been a major tourist trap, well before what happened last September. We're quite accustomed to that sort of treatment.

Fuck...sometimes it feels like the tourists have moved in permanently, and the natives are getting flushed out like so much trash and sewage. Which happens in many other places as well.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:54 / 22.01.02
Reportage-wise... this reminds me of an article I read in The Economist (AT WORK!!! You think I'd read that shit for FUN?) a couple of weeks after 9/11, which began "War is a terrible thing. Sometimes not just for economic reasons."
I hope none of our clients actually wanted that shit in their press packs- I binned it after the first line.
 
 
The Damned Yankee
00:35 / 23.01.02
"Cheap dialogue!
Cheap essential scenery!
I don't understand this thing at all!
Please don't wait for me..."

Seems that SFD found the perfect musical reference for all of this, I think.
 
  
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