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Planetary/JLA

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:41 / 13.09.02
...er...

Well. That was interesting.

Aiee.
 
 
sleazenation
13:45 / 13.09.02
please nick, give us a bit more to go on than that.

Personally I was disappointed enough in the planetary/authority crossover (no to mention the lack of a regular comic for around a year now) to be entirely uninterested in this.- was this lack of interest well founded or have i missed devestatingly worthwhile vulgarity disguised as a narrative?
 
 
Sax
14:07 / 13.09.02
I manhandled it in the shop but at £4.50 it seemed a bit steep and a bit crap on a cursory flick through. Someone tell the story with spoilers so I don't have to buy it.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:11 / 13.09.02
I thought it was okay as Elseworlds things go – Ordway’s art was all right, though given there are a couple of pages which show Diana walking down the street etc at the start, the end feels a bit rushed – to the extent that one element of the ending is kind of relegated to being shown on the inside back cover… though this may have been deliberate.

The nasty cynic in me suspects that Ellis only really felt motivated to do this because he realised that this, plus the Planetary/Authority one-shot mentioned elsewhere, would make a thin TPB, which is more likely to stay in print. Same for the two Spider Jerusalem prestige one-shots, I fear. Sometimes think that the business side of things influences his writing more than the creative, if you see what I mean.

DBC
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:52 / 13.09.02
Er...it was a rather drab face-off. On the one hand, an Elseworld Justice League composed of a very de-powered Superman, a grumpy Batman and a predictable Wonder Woman. On the other, a cheerfully fascist Planetary. Neither group would have stood a chance against the more interesting incarnations of the other - they were united in small-mindedness.

It was sort of 'Planetary if they were like the Four' vs. 'JLA if they were, like, a bunch of losers'.

SPOILER (although really, truly, not much of one):

The good guys do not lose. Which is frankly ludicrous.
 
 
Professor Silly
17:17 / 13.09.02
Strange little story for sure: I had expected the JLA characters to make up Planetary and go against the Four. Imagine my surprise!

Instead we see that in an alternate reality tunnel Planetary doesn't have the Four to contend with, and use their discoveries to improve CERTAIN ASPECTS of human existance, while acting as a worldwide police force. In this way they act in a similiar manner as the standard JLA, only without the positive idealism. They don't act in heroic ways--rather they behave more like I would expect any politician/businessman in a position of power would.

All of this seems to say something about Planetary, as it exists in any reality tunnel: These people are not heroes, nor do they try to act in such a manner. Just because they represent the "good guys" in the monthly book (ha, I made a joke) doesn't mean they would in any "Elseworlds" or even in the mainstream DC-universe.

...I'd still rather see new issues though....
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:50 / 13.09.02
It was lame for all the reasons mentioned above and I'm still disappointed the Drummer didn't show up at the end! He should've taken control of WW's bracelet thingies while Jakita kicked her sorry prostitute looking ass! And if Batman wasn't Batman...why did he have a Bat-a-rang and a Batmobile, and Bat-Ski mask? Couldn't he just have a Chinese star, car, and, er, regular ski mask?
 
 
Warewullf
00:04 / 14.09.02
***SPOLIERS***

Bad Things:
Very poor story. Not worth it at all. Boring characters that you just don't care about cos you're supposed to already like them. (It's Batman! And Superman! You know them! You love them! etc...)

Agree on the batman issue. He's not Batman but has bat-stuff.

We get to see the version of Wonder Woman that appeared in an issue of Planetary (the one where we saw all the regular DC big-guns get killed.) in action. But she's a bit crap.

Bizzare version of Planetary. Why the hell introduce The Drummer if he's not going to show up in the big fight at the end? Why is this Planetary evil and the regular ones good? What happend to change them?

The art wasn't great. But that may be because we're spoiled by Cassidy's art on Planetary.

It ended so abrubtly I thought this was the first issue of a limited series but it ain't, is it? That's all, ain't it?

Good things:
The use of the Carrier's Doors as a public mass-transport system.
The revelation that Jakita Wagner is of "aristocratic stock". (Although since this was Elseworlds, that may not be true in the regular series.)
Seeing Ambrose Chase again.


So in conclusion, skip it. I wish I had.
 
 
Ellis says:
07:03 / 14.09.02
Aiee indeed.

So did Jakita kill WonderWoman and take her place or was there a page missing?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
12:17 / 14.09.02
impulsivelad - "...while Jakita kicked her sorry prostitute looking ass!"

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Leaving aside the more distasteful aspects of this throwaway comment - have you ever actually met anyone working as a prostitute? I think you may be living in a World Of Make Believe.
 
 
ciarconn
12:28 / 14.09.02
I liked it. There are enough hidden refferences to both the DC and the Wildstorm Universes to give us some Planetary fun. Though, you all are right, some parts at the end seem very rushed (It could have been better done in a four issue mini series) and there are many dangling plots (the drummer, Kent, the Titans, the "stiffed" guys at Snow's office, The Carrier)
Anyone recognize where the wheel-less cars were taken from?

Now, Planetary always can be read on a Metatext level, with refferences to the real history of comics industry. So, this is like What would have happened if the Image/Wildstorm guys had taken control of the comics industry?
 
 
glassonion
14:25 / 14.09.02
uneasy fun, but really a bit rubbish. he just likes to throw in the superscience without any poetry. every character he has sounds like a cyberpunk geek-futique.
 
 
glassonion
14:28 / 14.09.02
why would you need to MEET a prostitute to know what one looks like? surely looking is enough? prostitutes get paid to dress up, why shouldn't the impulsive wee lad dress one up like that?
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:38 / 14.09.02
I'm not sure what your problem with my comment is: But, um, I didn't mean that prostitutes look great like wonder woman... I meant that this version of wonder woman was drawn all horrible and crack-whoreish like a prostitutes (regardless of what she was wearing) She could have been en escort at the Wayne party for all we knew!
 
 
nutella23
17:52 / 14.09.02
It had promise, but I felt the ending was a total cop-out. Also, too many loose ends and inconsistencies. Like the Drummer's whereabouts, among other things. Not quite what I expected.
 
 
houdini
22:18 / 14.09.02

I think the basic premise, as I understood it, was pretty good: Planetary are The Four. Whether this implies that the "real" planetary are potentiall EEE-VILL is, IMHO, irrelevant. But it's a nice twist to see them caste in the roles of the baddies and to have the JLA characters as the heroes. I had no problem with this. It basically seemed, especially given the Wonder Woman stuff, that Ellis had decided to elaborate a bit on the rather brief tour that the gave the DC big guns in Planetary #10.

That being said, I enjoyed the story right up to when the heroes teleport to the Planetary watchtower. Everything from that moment on was just monstrously cliched. Plus, for no apparent reason, Superman/Kent turns out to have a much reduced set of powers and they put him down incredibly easily. But why spring this change on us? It's not like Planetary couldn't've found out about Kryptonite. So they could've brutally murdered Supes without randomly garbling the continuity any further. The evil-villain-deathtrap-headquarters was silly, to say the least, and the [SPOILERS] he-can't-kill-you-but-I-can ending [/SPOILERS] made me wince.

To be honest, there's really not much to recommend this. I quite like Jerry Ordway but I don't think he did a particularly great job here. Large chunks of this are very Old School, and not necessarily in a good way. The pacing is poor. And, most heinously, it doesn't really DO anything. Oh, so it's the JLA vs Planetary. But who really cares. There wasn't a shred of originality in it beyond the premise. No expansion. Just the tired Elseworlds riff of, "But no, [Jack the Ripper|Sir Mordred Pendragon|Villain De Jour] killed Batman's parents!". A dud.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:31 / 14.09.02
Strange...over on the Warren Ellis Forum, they all say it's really great. I don't understand...


 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:34 / 15.09.02
Clearly, It's mind control. Warren Ellis is actually Randall Dowling, transported to our reality by...

I need a lie down.
 
 
the Fool
23:44 / 15.09.02
An aspect I thought was interesting was the underlying notion that 'planetary' is in fact a game. The players may rotate but the teams and objectives are the same. 3 versus 4 for control of the planet.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:45 / 16.09.02
I keep wondering when (whether) Elijah will recruit a 'third man', given that he's now remembered he's the Fourth.

Get a move on, Ellis.
 
 
BryanDude
01:58 / 17.09.02
i thought the comic was decent enough. It wasnt the greatest thing ever, but like a junkie, i've had my fix.

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My only complaint is that the whole business with the time machine went no where in the story, and only served as method to get rid of Ambrose. I was fine with whole Batman element in Waynes character. I mean come on...this IS a comic book (no offense)
 
  
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