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some guy
16:30 / 11.09.02
I don't know how many of you read the increasingly repetitive Savant each week. I began reading it ages ago, back when it was helmed by a troika of guys and seemingly given validation by the then-golden hand of Warren Ellis.

Savant talked a lot about how modern comics are embarrassing. How they say little, nobody reads them and how, generally, any of us could probably do it better. One of these moaners was a guy called Matt Fraction. And - possibly because of his bitching - he was finally given the chance to put his money where his mouth was. He was given the opportunity to write a comic and have it published.

That comic was Rex Mantooth: Kung Fu Gorilla. It was embarrassing, said nothing, didn't sell and, generally, any of us could probably do better. It was, to me, a mark of the difference between the fan and the professional, made all the more painful because, having finally been given the opportunity to set an example, Fraction wrote about a fighting ape.

But somehow Fraction wound up creating a name for himself. He won exposure through a (massively self-indulgent) column at Comic Book Resources. Larry Young, recently accused of being increasingly hostile toward fans and other professionals, gave him a multi-book deal despite closing his company to submissions.

In short, Fraction parlayed his internet fame into professional work - apparently based solely on his name and online following rather than his IMO incredibly shaky writing resume.

Now, I don't know Matt Fraction; as a person, I have no opinion about him. I don't want this thread to be about him. I am using him as an example, one that raises a bunch of questions.

Do fans necessarily make good writers? Is it true that the only comic readers left are those who want to break into the business?

How has the accessibility of professionals online blurred the line between fan and pro? Does the internet level the playing field, making a Michael Doran equal to a Joe Quesada?

How does the cult of personality that springs up around internet presences (fan or professional) impact comics?

Does it really remain a question of who you know, rather than skill? Is this why Joe Casey continues to find work?

Is online comics criticism seen as a way to advance one's career rather than its own end (Fraction, the Pop Image book, the swelling number of column collections)?
 
 
moriarty
21:03 / 21.09.02
Shame that this was fading out of view.

I don't know a damn thing about Matt Fraction. Your description of the Rex Mantooth saga sounds dire. But I think, like anything, sometimes you need a couple stinkers under your belt before you can achieve success, and even then you might not have what it takes. All of us here contribute to online discussions on comics (I hesitate to say fandom) and I'm sure more than a few of us have thought or said, yeah, I could do better. Not necessarily true, I think. And I'm speaking from experience here. Most of the best comic creators make it look effortless when it can be anything but.

Entry into the comic industry through fandom has been around for ages. Roy Thomas wrote a zine called Alter Ego that translated to a job with Marvel, and later, DC. jim Shooter got his first writing assignment when he was 13 through similar efforts. I remember seeing a whole trade paperback full of early zines by established professionals. Even Frank Miller was part of an APA that provided him with contacts that helped him in the field. The cult of personality in comics has been around alot longer than the internet. Stan Lee didn't need no stinking computers.

Who you know has always been a staple of almost any business. But I think how long you last and how well you're regarded are better indicators of how good you are. And I think bad creators keep getting work because in an industry that values deadlines over quality, in a choice between the awful creator who has a reputation for getting the job done quickly will win out over the talent who misses deadlines, almost everytime. There will always be a need for hacks.

It scares me that you're probably right that the audience has shrunk down to people who want to break into the industry, with barely any casual readers left.

I've just started an online set of thoughts on the world of comics, and the idea that it would translate into success in the field never crossed my mind. I'm doing it to get my own thoughts on the medium straight, and to help get a dialogue going. This might help me in my own work, but I don't expect my ramblings to provide me with some sort of fame. That's just weird. Ha!
 
 
Jacen
02:58 / 17.01.03
I think it is safe to say that nearly every working professional in comics started out as a comic fan and it has always been that way. Internet comics journalism, if you can even call the propaganda machine by such a name, has allowed many fans to be heard like Rich Johnston, the rumor god, Fraction, who's column is actually amusing sometimes but I haven't read any actual comics by the man, and hosts of others. Pros court these internet "journalists" in hopes of befriending and squeezing free promotion and articles (read:advertising) out of them which legitimizes them and gives them power. It is the same attitude that allowed Wizard to become virtually the sole voice of the industry. Once these internet fan/columnists/journalists have friends inside, it makes it easier for them to squeeze their wily asses into jobs that were likely the goal all along. Fraction, Antony Johnston (a really talented guy), Gail Simone, Mike Doran, Rich Johnston...all of these people are getting work because of their online recognition.

Now, isn't the real question wether or not this is a bad thing? It is notoriously hard for a writer to break into the industry and usually has something to do with being a "hot" artist's best buddy or working your way up the trenches with years of conventions and submissions but if someone with genuine talent can make contacts and gain some extra writing experience working for a site like CBR or Newsrama is that a bad thing? Comics will remain a who you know industry, there is no changing that, but the way in which amatuers get to know industry people is changing rapidly, but yeah, I believe everyone in online comic journalism intends to work inside the industry.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:27 / 20.01.03
I bought the final issue of MANTOOTH and thought it was pretty funny, cool, zany. I didn't like it enough to buy the paperback collection, but I did think the issue I read was fun.
 
 
AlanDavidDoane
19:55 / 20.01.03
Rex Mantooth was a fun, breezy read. Fraction's columns for CBR are another matter, but his comics work so far is promising.

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