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Renting in London - are we likely to be turned down?

 
  

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Ganesh
20:09 / 09.09.02
Yet another needy 'advice wanted' thread on London renting, I'm afraid; having never gone through the arcane, convoluted process of applying to a landlord (I've always bought, stayed in NHS accommodation or lived in less formal flatshares), it's all a bit scary.

ZoCher and I looked at various Saarf London flats over the weekend and decided unanimously on a gorgeous little Barbary Lane place in SE11 (roof terrace, cat-friendly, good for Tubes, good for his job and mine, good for clubs, some evidence of homosexualism). Expensive - over what we'd considered the top end of our budget - but, given Z's salary hike and my own recent explosion of overtime (and the fact that we won't be running up the same huge commuting/mobile 'phone bills), just about affordable. Viewed it on Saturday, trekked down to the estate agent and paid the holding deposit this afternoon.

Problem is, we've been asked to provide loads of work and financial references - last three bank statements, payslips, that sort of thing. Given that our financial situation's been up and down over the last three, four months, and I've always had a tendency to hit my overdraft limit before the end of the month, I'm concerned our application's gonna be turned down. I'm not sure how much credence they're likely to place on our assurances that both our salaries are on the rise and our future outgoings decreased.

Has anyone been in this situation? Any idea whether those bounced cheques at the end of the month are gonna count against us? How do landlords/estate agents decide who's a good bet and who isn't?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:14 / 09.09.02
Shouldn't think you'll have too much trouble. You can show that you're both in work and are likely to remain so, which is the main thing. Plus you'll be giving your landlord a deposit and a month's rent in advance anyhow.
 
 
Ganesh
20:18 / 09.09.02
Yeah. As long as ZoCher can get some sort of written confirmation of his new post; the NHS is crap at that sort of thing.
 
 
William Sack
20:26 / 09.09.02
You should be fine. IF you are renting through an estate agent then they are acting as agents for the landlord, possibly an absentee one who has completely handed over the whole business of letting to the agent. The estate agent will owe a duty to the landlord to ensure the prospective tenants are creditworthy, but in actual fact their priority will be just letting the damn place and covering their arses. Overdrafts and bounced checks are a fact of life and not really what they are going to be bothered about. Show them an NHS payslip (unless you're a nurse) and a few bank statements and you should be ok unless you're gazillions overdrawn. Now that the estate agent has your deposit I think it's safe to say that they will be actively looking to rent you the place.
Moved from SE11 myself not so long ago. I loved the area, and you are right, lots of gayness, certainly the Vauxhall end of SE11.
 
 
Lurid Archive
23:04 / 09.09.02
Not much to add apart from *hugs*. This sort of thing can be very stressful. I hate estate agents.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:21 / 10.09.02
Nope. As long as you're not overdrawn for long periods, you should be fine. The fact that you've got regular cash coming in and filling up the account (or at least, chipping out of the overdraft) will help. If *I* can get a reference, mumble mumble...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:40 / 10.09.02
No, you'll be fine, my bank ref.s came out find despite being visibly on incap and massively overdrawn, and my new flat being about £100 more than my old one. They just want to know that you have regular incomes, basically.

Your (prospective-touch wood) place sounds lovely, btw, congratulations, and v.barbary lane - you've got the cats, when are the Queen Mother plants going to make an appearance?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
11:54 / 10.09.02
I don't think you'll have a problem in the rubber cheques dept.

What I would say is that (and you probably are aware of this anyway) make sure that you have proper receipts for every single penny you hand over. That a tenancy agreement (although it's not worth much in the rights dept) is clear about charges and restrictions. And most importantly, please please tell me that you haven't gone through Homes Direct - they advertise widely in the gay press and I had severe problems with them.

Congrats on getting a place, though. Just don't trust anybody, and you'll be fine...
 
 
Ganesh
12:08 / 10.09.02
AAAAAAAAAARGH!!

The 'trust no-one' advice was pretty sound, SFD; having heard nothing by this morning ("I just need to let the landlord know, there won't be any problems") I rang the letting agency, and they're already pissing us around. They haven't managed to contact the landlord himself but it seems there's another offer on the table - at the original asking price, which is another £25 per week above what we'd agreed - via their "sister agency" (despite my having handed over a large wad of cash yesterday). Implication being, we need to consider either upping our own offer (not really an option) or letting the 'perfect flat' go. Bastards.

Yes, it seems paying a holding deposit means diddlysquat in terms of securing anything: the landlord can still advertise through half a dozen other agencies as well as via 'Loot', and the prospective tenant has almost no entitlement...

So it's back to the bloody drawing-board, really.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
12:25 / 10.09.02
I have found us two lovely big cardboard boxes in a store cupboard in the department here, G Baby, and we can always train the cats to steal chicken from KFC for us.

Fret not, seems everybody else is vacating the City of London to make room for me, so we'll be sorted soon enough. Could be worse, we could be looking forward to the airless, charmless box behind the Oval from the end of the month. Or another year of the half-life we've been living.

 
 
Ganesh
13:37 / 10.09.02
Well, yes, that's true. Problem is, I'm back ploughing through FindAProperty and there's an aaawful lot of those airless, charmless boxes...
 
 
Bear
14:12 / 10.09.02
Sorry to hear about the problems, I always wondered why there were all those evil estate agents jokes until I had to deal with them, makes me sooo happy that I'm going to have to deal with them again in November (anyone know of any flatshares coming up?)

That said Oliver Burn seem alright thats who found our last flat - http://www.oliverburn.com/...

The 14th one down in the renting section are the ones on Tulse Hill that I stay in...

And can anyone tell me why a one bedroom flat costs the same as a two bedroom flat??
 
 
Bill Posters
15:15 / 10.09.02
Yikes, sorry to hear about the problems. I had a sidesplittingly hilarious rent-boy jape for this thread, but under the circumstances it just doesn't seem right anymore.
 
 
No star here laces
15:18 / 10.09.02
Get thee to Hackney. Cheapness abounds.
 
 
Mr Quick
15:27 / 10.09.02
Hey guys.

I guess you're looking in South London but if you do fancy venturing North of the river, these guys are really good.

Been the agents for the last two landlord's I've had and have been fantastic. Absolutely no mucking about, reliable and they get stuff done once you're in.

Sorry about the stress though - it can be a right nightmare moving.
 
 
Ganesh
21:48 / 11.09.02
Thanks for that but yeah, we're focussing on South London at the moment: central, reasonably equitable for both our workplaces (which are on opposite sides of the city), good public transport links and re-e-easonably affordable. Oh yeah, and good for XXL, The Hoist and Fist...

I've been leafing through Loot, which is looking promising. Anyone who's taken this route and has any useful experiences to share, please feel free to recommend/slate.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:08 / 11.09.02
I wouldn't trust anyone I found through Loot, even to be a human being and not a killer cyborg with special money-removing organs.
 
 
Ganesh
22:11 / 11.09.02
*sigh*

Seriously?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
22:13 / 11.09.02
Sorry, I hate to be the voice of doom in this thread, but I must agree with Fridgey here. My experiences with Loot have been either trying to hear the landlady over the screaming of the several children I'm potentially going to share with, or landlords who just don't sound quite right, in a Susie Lamplugh/Mr Kipper kind of way.

Try checking local shops for notices in the window. Better still, bookshops - seems to work for me.
 
 
Ariadne
22:39 / 11.09.02
On the other hand ... my last flat was through Loot and the landlord was one of the nicest guys I've ever met. My sister rented the flat for me because I was away on business. He just wanted some references, and we were away. 20 months later I moved out, having made a fair mess of the carpet, but he gave me the whole deposit back without a qualm because I'd been a ' good tenant'. So Loot's not all bad.
 
 
Ganesh
22:40 / 11.09.02
Hmmm. I can see that, certainly, but we're specifically not going for a flatshare; we're looking for 1 or 2-bedroom upper-floor flats in the £200-250ish bracket. Of the three numbers I've 'phoned so far from Loot (I'm trying to arrange viewings of at least three more places this Saturday, with ZoCher), two have been actual estate agents which I've checked out online and which definitely seem kosher...
 
 
Ariadne
22:41 / 11.09.02
Unfortunately, I think he only has that one property - a studio in Ealing. Well, Northfields, really. Nice enough, but not what you're after.
 
 
Ganesh
22:41 / 11.09.02
Last post directed at SFD rather than Ariadne. Glad to hear it's not entirely hellsome...
 
 
Ariadne
22:43 / 11.09.02
ah - you're about, Ganesh. I was just thinking that maybe you have a better chance when you're not going for a flatshare, because I was going for a place of my own.

It's not all bad, any more than in Edinburgh, and I'm sure you'll find something okay.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:47 / 11.09.02
Legally, any tenant is pretty much fucked from the moment of contract. But they're right: as long as you can demonstrate that you have cash sloshing around at the right time, you shouldn't have a problem. The employer's reference is important, to prove you are not DSS (because the DSS is prone to delaying payments and generally fucking up), the previous letter's reference very useful to show that you have been able to live in a flat without destroying our defaulting upon it (the NHS must be able to offer something of that ilk), the bank reference useful primarily to demonstrate that you are who you claim to be and have some sort of credit history; if you have never defaulted on or renegotiated an overdraft or debt, and have never been thrown out of a bank account it should be no problem.

I have a guide to renting and letting somewhere I could certainly lend you, but to be honest people who incur overdrafts and then pay them and the extra charges off cheerfully are actually *more* valuable customers to banks than those who are endlessly continent - you may notice this in the number of invitations to receive new credit cards you receive.
 
 
Ariadne
22:58 / 11.09.02
Yeah, I was going to say that coming back to the UK with no record of having borrowed or having had overdrafts was actually a bad thing - borrowing and then paying back is the best thing you can do for your credit rating.

And ... I dunno, landlords have been utter shits to me in the past, but others have been ok. It's just luck, i think, and going with your judgement. Make sure you get a proper tenancy agreement, and don't do anything obviously obnoxious.

I think people with one or two flats tend to be better than people with lots, but that's just based on my very limited experience.
 
 
Ganesh
23:36 / 24.09.02
Just paid the holding deposit on another flat. Not the Perfect Flat (for which a gradually-dwindling part of me still mourns) but interesting in terms of location. It's in Vauxhall, incredibly near the station (and a delicatessen and two 'wine emporia'), cat-friendly and good for pubs (Royal Vauxhall Tavern) and clubs (The Hoist). Oh, and despite being Zone 1 with good transport links, it's actually cheaper than the other place. No roof terrace but, thinking about it, I'm not sure how much we'd have used that over the winter, anyway.

Landlord's a bit of a nob-end (late twenties, public school confidence/arrogance) but insists he'd remain unobtrusive. Broadband connection in (enormous) living room...

Anyway, the flat-hunting's the reason I've been dipping in and out of this place rather than replying systematically to my correspondence. Apologies to all who've PMed me and got nothing back: I will get to it in time.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:48 / 24.09.02
Hope it works out, G&Z. I've yet to enter the rental market since returning and am quaking at the thought...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
08:19 / 25.09.02
The cats are doing a little dance of gleeful celebration here and I'm throwing my ballgowns into a knapsack... Vauxhall: Gateway to the South! Yippee!

Of course, I'll spend most of my time down in Brixton stalking Bear...
 
 
Bear
08:36 / 25.09.02
I'm afraid it'll be the other way round ZoCher, I work in Vauxhall and by the decription that Ganesh gave if I went to the top floor at work I'd probably be able to see your flat, Mwhahaha...

Congrats though, I stayed in Vauxhall when I first moved here and enjoyed it and you've got the Tavern which I've heard of but never been in and of course the Swan just down the road in Stockwell which is terrible but reminds me of home What else, um a little Indian restaurant which has won awards (although most places in London seem to have awards stuck on the windows) The big Sainsburys for all your shopping needs and trasport couldn't be better.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
09:02 / 25.09.02
Excellent, a Sainsbury's! G took a wander about to reconnoitre and found ample pubs, clubs and vintners but nowhere to buy milk or catfood.

One thing that puzzles me is that the flat had space for a washing machine but none in place. We said we'd take the flat only if the landlord put one in. He protested that we might only stay six months and the next tenant might not want one.

Don't people wash clothes in London? Does everything just nip down to Dorothy Perkins for a new outfit twice a week? How bizarre. No sign of a laundromat close by either where could ask Dot Cotton to do a service wash.

I have so much to learn about the weird ways of you London folk. And we need to work out a rota for mutual stalking, Bear, so we don't stalk simultaneously.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:37 / 25.09.02
Don't people wash clothes in london?

Nah, we just mask the smell with a mixture of pigeon droppings, dogs shit and raw efluent fresh from the Thames...
[penny drops] Waitaminute! That's why she wouldn't go out with me...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:38 / 25.09.02
Never mind. Still, It'll give you a chance to relive classic scenes from The Young Ones.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:44 / 25.09.02
Oh, excellent news! You must both be relieved. And Zone 1, the inner sanctum! Something I have never achieved in all my years here. And lots of queer venues in the vicinity.
 
 
Ganesh
08:08 / 29.09.02
Indeed. We can just about see Crash from our window...

Have now vacated the House of Kitsch, in Willesden Green, after ZoCher's marathon cleaning stint and my attempts to inhale then explosively evacuate every stray particle of dusty feather boa and 'fun' fur cladding through my nasal passages. Hoping the tenancy agreement will be signed tomorrow without hitches, and we can finish moving sundry felines and fetish wardrobes into the Vauxhall place. Until then, I'm lodging with a friend in Clapham and ZoCher's heading back to Edinburgh for one last week.

And then... back to (some semblance of) normality. Can't come soon enough....
 
  

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