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Lose a wife, gain a wife, lose a baby, gain a baby... Replacement (will inevitably contain spoilers)

 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
20:23 / 07.09.02
(... At the moment, for 'Minority Report', Jet Li's 'The One', 'Dark City' and ummm, Bill Shakespeare's 'Much Ado About Nothing')

In 'Minority Report' Tom Cruise is so distraught about his son's disappearence and presumed death that it has caused his separation from his wife and drives everything he does. In the final reel we see him reunited with his wife who is heavily pregnant, the clear implication being that order has returned and they have been blessed with a new child to replace the one he carelessly misplaced.

In 'The One', the Jet Li character in 'this' universe, Gabe, gets home in time to see his wife killed by his psychotic otherworld version, Yulaw. At the end, with Yulaw defeated he gets dropped in another world where he gets to meet that worlds version of his wife, again the clear implication as that is the last we see of them is that they will fall in love.

In 'Dark City' despite the fact that we know that everyone in the City has false memories, when John's wife who has trusted him from the start has her memory wiped and given a fresh personality by the Strangers and they meet just before the credits start rolling we are again left with the impression that John is going to live happily ever after with this stranger who for a while was made to think she had a long relationship with him.

And I was thinking this was a relatively new development, but then I remembered the Shakespeare I dozed through at school, a number of his plays would either pair off anyone not actually dead by the end of the last act (cf. 'The Winters Tale', Camillo and the Queen's maid (who's first husband exeunted pursued by a bear at the end of act one), neither of who have even been on stage at the same point up till now), or there would be some plot to make one half of a pair think the other is dead and then introduced to 'a twin as like as not as makes no difference' or somesuch (cf. 'Measure for Measure', 'Alls Well That Ends Well'), though being Shakespeare I'm never sure whether the duped party is supposed to know that it's the same person or whether they blithely accept a twin's been wandering around all the time and they never noticed.

So, after all that, some simple questions.
1) Is Jet Li ever going to get to do a good film in America?
2) Does anyone ever find these endings realistic?
3) Do the scriptwriters not care and just want to end the damn thing so they can go to the beach?
4) Does it suggest a desire in humanity to believe in an underlying order, that all will be well if x is married, it doesn't actually matter who to?
5) Where does this come from? Is it those damn Greeks again?
6) Is Tom Cruise crazy, or is it me?
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
21:01 / 07.09.02
1: I hope so, but somehow doubt it. I've been waiting for John Woo to make a decent flick since he was stolen from Hong Kong.

2: The people that do are pretty silly. But I think most people are so used and anesthetized to this very typical Hollywood convention that it just sort of slides over them by now. It's kind "Oh yeah, I'm in safe and familiar territory after having had certain notions challenged... it's all right now. Let's go back to not thinking..."

3: Depends on the screenwriter I guess. I'm sure some of these may have had more realistic endings and the happier ones were tacked on by the demands of the studio, who always avoid offending the public.

4:I think it goes with the underlying order hope. The marriage to the doppledanger is just a symbol of that order. When people (not all, but many) get married they suddenly turn into members of the ststus quo all over again. They become "normal", and it's the cue for the audience to relax. I think marriage is a symptom of the Hollywood happy ending, not the cause.

5: Well the Greek plays I'm familiar with ended up with most everyone dead or poking their eyes out after having fucked their mother. Unless you're referring to a deus ex machina deal, which doesn't quite fit...

I think large budget pitcures are designed for comfort factor. Those movies that decidedly don't follow this convention are looked at a little screwy. I overheard people say that they should have changed the ending of "Castaway", since Tom Hanks didn't end up with the girl at the end after his years-long ordeal. (I didn't see it... really...) I agree that the whole bait-and-switch of the "new shiny clone wife" is a bit of a cop-out and not terribly realistic, but most of these people's fantasy lives are put on automatic pilot for most the time anyway. The same goes for Shakespeare, who basically wrote for a large audience as well. And mostly on demand for an audience or royals. Hell, looking back at this, I don't think I answered much- but perhaps I'll add something more substantive at a later date as I am running out the door in a few.


Oh. And as for Tom? I think Cintra Wilson sums it up much better than I.

"I must warn the world about Tom Cruise. I feel he is an utterly terrifying Superior Life Form, with the power to melt heads and braid spines. His eyes are as hard, shiny and brutally penetrating as diamond drill-bits. The new braces on his teeth suggest that he is erasing all that remained of his tiny imperfections, and he is now metamorphosing into Ultra Super Perfection Man 3000. I fear his intense, mind-beating politeness, his titanium imperviousness to human weakness, his barking power-laugh.

"Movies make a little bit of magic touch our lives," he commanded us to acknowledge, with steely resolve and Mach-5 mega-humorlessness.

People in the audience started laughing, until they realized that Tom was Not Being Funny At All. He was chosen to frankly address the post-Sept. 11 whither-the-Oscars conundrum head-on. "Should we celebrate the magic the movies bring? Now?" Tom asked, his eyes boring into the eyes of the TV multitudes and implanting rays of total domination. "Dare I say it?" He flashed a smirk with his robotically flawless teeth. "More than EVER," he hissed, laying on his most Extreme Scientological Unction. He had been commanded by the Elders to Obi-Wan-Kenobi-ize the audience into rebelieving in the importance of the obscenely superfluous Oscars. Tom Cruise is becoming the Scary Flaming Eye from "The Lord of the Rings," and I fear that nobody can stop him."

Article itself at http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2002/03/25/oscars_2002/index.html
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
11:51 / 08.09.02
Another offender: Face-Off, (Guess what honey? We're going to adopt the son of my terrorist nemesis!)
I guess in circumstances where your characters are paper-thin (oops. Sorry Will S!) It disnae matter who fills their role as long as they're of the same archetype.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
14:36 / 08.09.02
What is this shit, indeed. Tidiness, happy endings. Unrealistic, of course - there's no such thing as a happy ending in real life; even if you get the girl, it doesn't stop there. Gimme the ending to 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest', or, even better, 'No Man's Land' any day.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
23:46 / 08.09.02
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". You just crystallized something in my head there sfd. Thanks.

Does anyone else think that this WAS a happy ending? I thought that The Chief throwing that cooler through the window and escaping to the mad hoots of Christopher Lloyd was pretty damn umplifting, in a terribly sobering way. I saw Harlan Ellison speak once and someone asked him why all his stories had such depressing endings. He looked shocked and said, "You kidding? Those ARE the happy endings!"

Actually... Look at Brazil. I got into a fight with a friend of mine once as I was arguing that the end of "Brazil" was a happy ending. Granted, the girl is dead and he's insane- but in his own world... he is content and with the girl. Now the audience knows that this is false and Gilliam was surely commenting on that, but does it matter as long as he has that little world to himself? Isn't he ironically saved by his madness at the same time Gilliam is pounding into our head that we don't always get the girl? Granted, this could degenerate into a subjectivism debate that might be a bit headshoppy, but I'd be curious to see if I'm really as sick as my friend said I was for considering that...
 
 
netbanshee
16:04 / 09.09.02
Well...I'm sick of it too but there is a need for it to happen on occassion. Sometimes real life happy moments relate to the Hollywood Happy Ending™ paradigm. Just not as often as this narrow scope portrays.

I look at my film collection and see lots of good, enriching subjects or at least a premise that makes you think. But the big flaw in it is I really don't have a copy of anything remotely light-hearted nature. It can be a killer sometimes when you want to watch something but you don't want to view a film that's academic or can be symbolically dissected. Plus repeat views are less likely to happen. Or when a friend wants to come over to hang out and put something on the tube without having to pay attention to it.

Basically, there needs to be a good mix and that's a big difference to what's available at any moment to the movie-going public.
 
 
gridley
17:12 / 09.09.02
The first time I noticed this practice was reading the bible as a kid. In the Book of Job, God kills off all ten of Job's kids and all his animals (to prove a point to Satan), but it's a happy ending, because at the end, Job has ten new kids and even more animals!

I was like, "Hey, but didn't he always miss the first ten kids? What? Are they interchangeable? Like Micronauts?"
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:52 / 10.09.02
Good call Grid, I'd forgotten about Job. Well, that punctures my theory that it was a modern conservative ideology, that if the story begins with the hero having a wife and child then it has to end with him going to home to a wife and child, it not mattering whether it's the same wife and child...
 
 
Knight's Move
18:01 / 11.09.02
Re Shakespeare he was working around a set of universally understood if somewhat prescriptive guidlines which in a gross but effective generalization are everyone marries at the end of comedy, everyone dies at the end of tragedy - but then he started to play with that.

The way it looks (so twas considered by my Shakespeare supervisor)was like he was sticking fairly rigidly to convention (see Two Gentlemen or Comedy of Errors) to learn how to 'do' a genre before fucking it sideways. Whereas in France (Molirer and Racine) they stuck to their genres, Shakepeare and English writing moved around.

Look at Midsummer Night...and particularly at Demetrius and Helena why are they marrying? Look at Theseus and Hippolyta, it's a marriage but it's a forced marriage to a subjugating ruler in which the lady has been taken from her home and married off.

Look at the close of Measure for Measure: you must marry the whore, you must marry this girl, then as we are the last people left we must marry. There has been no winning, no falling in love just people parcelled off to people they don't know or love as a punishment, or they must give up their principles and desire to become a nun for the sake of completeness.

You could argure that it is merely that Shakespeare cannot escape from the bounds of genre but considering what he could do, and that he invented the history play, and that no one can catergorise things like the Tempest or Timon of Athens I find that a somewhat specious argument. IS it not more likely that he is deliberately making a point about the forced comedic ending and it's ultimate flaws?

I hesitate before suggesting that about Hollywood film makers though. I get the feeling Shakespeare was paryodying this style of Happily Ever After whatever the cost many years before Hollywood thought it was clever. Jet Li gets the girl because he has to. It must be a happy end, he cannot be left empty and bereft as he is the hero, so...Demetrius gets the girl, or rather the girl gets Demetrius because he is whacked out on love potion.

And let's not even start on the Taming of the Shrew situation.

Incidentally re Job there was a certain degree of latitude re kids as they tended to die young anyway.

In the Medieval tale of Amis and Amiloun it is revealed that the only way one friend (I forget which can heal the other who got leprosy fighting a judical combat instead of his friend who actually was guilty of sleeping with the duke's daughter (or something) is by bathing him in the blood of his children. His wife says yes as he can always get more kids but never find another friendship like this. I'm no denying the point made or suggesting this extreme view was totally prevelant to such a degree but there was a certain degree of considering kids if not expendable, less than valuable.

They worked on your farm, or they continued your line, or they were married off to get power, if they died you had another one, you had large familys because they often died. ALthough now we can have one kid if we want and it should hopefully live and so we feel strongly about sacrificing them, people did have large familys and would often feel nothing about using them as hostages or pawns. They only really felt love to male children as they could continue the line. You kept your eldest son safe for this reason the rest were of little import. Especially girls. Hence Job could potentially relace a wife and kids.

Sorry this is slightly disjointed and off topic but I have to use my English degree for something nowadays...
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
23:05 / 11.09.02
coolest yet was arnie in Collateral Damage, his wife and kid are killed, he goes after bad guy
he meets sexy red head green eyed latin american woman (???) with a def child
SPOILERS--(like anyone cares...)



In the end the woman and her husband are the terrorists he is after, so he kills them, and ends the film walking away, WITH THE NOW ORPHANED DEF KID IN HIS ARMS

made me vomit, or perhaps that was the shrimp...
 
 
Knight's Move
16:50 / 12.09.02
Lada :I like the point about the circular way of moving as well (it doesn't have to be the same wife and child).

It shows how valuable convention is, and how much much we value order that we must achieve the status quo by any means. Like the Simpsons when they deliberately show the ludicrous manner in which everything resets, except the big giant head which is occassionally visible in the basement, and the way no one ever notices the wierdness (except the excellent episode when the new worker comes to the power plant and hates Homer. Like at the dinner showing him the pictures "And this is me in Space").

Cartoons play on this deliberately as no one changes (least of all their clothes). They have to be the same default setting so that the alteration to their life can have maximum effect. So in the Family Guy when they get the big house, they have to get back to the old one so they are the same family again, so that the correct comment on society can be made. Family Guy in a mansion would have them as stuck up bastards not Middle American Joes and the jokes and audience would alter.

Of course films really don't need to do this, they can, and should, change the protagonists as we are unlikely to see them again. A film acts like a cartoon in changing the lead to see what happens but they can then leave them in the place they get to.


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The end of 24 could have been that way. They did kill the wife, but they did not simply have him get together with Nina, instead she is the bad guy, thus stripping Jack of both female connections. They did save Kim but the new kid was destroyed, when they could have really killed Kim, had the big revenge firefight and then had him with the new baby and his wife. Far better way round.

For all that they are ridiculous and evil and mind sapping when it comes to changing people over time soaps at least get all this right.
 
  
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