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Remix Fiction

 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:19 / 07.09.02
Because I have to work and I'm bored, I'm trying to work out the 'rules' to remixing fiction. Seems to me the closest we get to this is parody when not done just for laughs, I'm thinking of Stephen Fry doing Dickens in 'The Liar' or Morrison doing dozens of other people in 'The Invisibles' but this is not exactly the same.

So, how would this work? I'm aware that remixes in music run from the same track with a big drum beat over the top through to the Aphex Twin submitting a completely new track to Saint Etienne as their remix, claiming it had half a second of their song reversed in the middle.

The one thing I think would have to be a hard'n'fast rule would be short fiction only. When you write long books in someone elses style we tend to call them 'The New Virginia Andrews'.

But what would fit in here? Same characters, same general plot but a different path and possibly different fall-out? (Which might suggest Mills and Boon to be a remix brand, or the old Dunegons and Dragons games to be the equivelent of giving you the software to do your own remixing)? Is parody a remixing of someone's style?

What are the ethics involved?
 
 
rorkboy
18:28 / 07.09.02
Remixing prose ? Imagine ' Ubik ' plot happening in Cuba around 60s, or Kafkas ' Trial ' in modern , office - age reality... no, sorry , that is Mamet`s ' Spanish Prisoner '
 
 
mixmage
02:48 / 08.09.02
Needle in the Groove - Jeff Noon... it's all about the mix.

Ghostwriters remix other people's crap and make it marketable... Fat Boy Slim in paperback.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:17 / 08.09.02
But in both cases we didn't see any original did we, if original exists (have gone off Jeff Noon a bit so haven't read 'Needle in the Groove' yet)? How would you go about remixing a work that's already out there? Is 'Bridget Jones' Diary' a remix of 'Wuthering Heights'?
Is 'West Side Story' a remix of 'Romeo and Juliet'? (Hoping I've got my sources right)
 
 
The Strobe
10:55 / 08.09.02
Surely, if we're talking Noon and fiction-remixed... surely Cobralingus and Mappalujo?

But especially Cobralingus.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:33 / 08.09.02
See here for the Creation's last encounter with Cobralingus-style work.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:24 / 09.09.02
Lada - having read your initial post a little more carefully, I see that's not quite what you were talking about. Obviously, Cobralingus produces something completely different from the start text. Are you thinking more of retelling old ideas from a new standpoint, as in a dance remix of 'Hounddog' or something?

There's a fine line, obviously - see the recent fuss about a new tale told around 'Gone With the Wind'.

The last time this came up on Barbelith, it precipitated the 'Legitimacy of Fanfic discussion' and a lot of rowing about the morality and reach of copyright, which in turn led to questions of authorship. There are two articles in the Zine - Deva's initial discussion of slash and fanfic, and my rather convoluted response.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:33 / 09.09.02
With Empire of the Senseless, Kathy Acker rewrote Neuromancer with slightly different characters but exactly the same plot & a seriously cracked narrative style -- I found it barely readable, but it was interesting. Here's a sort of cheesy paper on it.

Is that what you meant?
 
 
grant
15:19 / 09.09.02
I think a revision like that (and the kind of thing mentioned by rorkboy) are more like *covers* than remixes. Remixes take the original substance and reorganize it over a new structure - so writing a prose poem with a narrator who is an archivist puzzling over a bundle of letters, and the letters happen to be some of the correspondence between Jonathan Harker and Professor Van Helsing in Dracula, that'd be more like a remix.

A Burroughs cutup would also be one.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:59 / 09.09.02
I haven't had a chance to read Qalyn's link yet (when my manager stops hovering around I'll give it a go) but from ze's description that sounds the sort of thing I'm after. But I'm interested in what different flavours they are to the enterprise, and how far it goes before it becomes a seperate idea.

For example different strains I can think of OTTOMH;
1) Same basic story, different location/time. The Bridget Jones' approach basically.
2) Same basic story, different characters. Robert Anton Wilson's Schrodingers Cat trilogy but done properly, and done to actually tell a story rather than just pissing about.
3) Stories in a different style. Often caused by dramatisations anyway, Bram Stokers Dracula makes Dracula a misunderstood, tragic figure, in the original he's just a bastard. But take it further than that, Ernest Hemingway's Dracula, or Emily Bronte's King Solomon's Mines.

In fiction authors tend to attempt to look original, copying is looked down on, even if in the original we all die in a ditch and in the second one we all go to Heaven. In music, there's no shame in remixing, so I want to take that ethic to fiction. I think it could generate more ideas. Karl Marx writes Perdido Street Station anyone?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
19:19 / 09.09.02
If it works.

A lot of the time, it won't. The ethos and the tone are not separate from the story - witness the Dracula movie, and many others, not to mention such weird things as 'The Mandala of Sherlock Holmes', a riff on Holmes from the POV of a Kipling character which gradually traduces both of them as the author's voice comes through.
 
  
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