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Cryptozoology: Scientists closing in on Orang Pendek, the Little Man of Sumatra

 
 
grant
14:48 / 04.09.02
> From: spacecadet
> To: inexplicata@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:47 AM
> Subject: [inexplicata] Tests being carried out
> on 'yeti' hair
>
>
> Tests being carried out on 'yeti' hair
>
> A world-renowned hair expert is on the verge of
> proving the existence of a "Yeti-like" creature
> on an Indonesian island.
>
> Hans Brunner is studying hair samples
> discovered in Western Sumatra which have
> baffled other scientists.
>
> The tale of the Orang Pendek, or Little Man of
> the Forest, is a well known legend in the
> region.
>
> Brunner, an associate of Deakin University in
> Melbourne, Australia, has been analysing two
> hairs which were found by a team of British
> explorers who followed the trail of a primate
> which has long lived in the folklore of tribes
> people on the island.
>
> He has volunteered his expertise after the
> story of three part-time explorers discovering
> unknown hairs and a cast of a footprint was
> published worldwide.
>
> Adam Sanderson, Adam Davies and Keith Townley
> are crypto-zoologists who take time off from
> their day jobs to prove, or disprove, the
> existence of mythological creatures.
>
> They sent the hair samples they found in
> Western Sumatra to Australia for analysis and
> the findings have been little short of
> startling.
>
> No match could be found when they were tested
> against reference hairs of orang-utan,
> chimpanzee, gorilla, sun bear, red leaf monkey,
> pigtail macaque, Malaysian tapir and human.
>
> The Orang Pendek is said to be a 5ft tall
> creature with chocolatey-brown, orange hair.
> It's distinguishing feature is its humanlike
> gait - walking upright on its back legs without
> the aid of its front fists.
>
> If its existence is proved it could spark major
> anthropological debates about a potential
> "missing link" between apes and humans.
>

Well, this inexplicata article sidesteps what I think the major point would be. If the Orang Pendek's existence is proved, it means:
1. That once again, local myths can point to unknown creatures scientists have a hard time believing in, like the Congo Dinosaur
2. That it's possible for large primates to exist near populated areas without leaving much of a trace.

#2 is interesting because it sinks one of the main arguments against the existence of the yeti, or bigfoot, a large, hominid primate living in wild areas just outside human settlements.

Thus, the question: do you guys think this is a big deal?
Or do you think Brunner is high as a Chinese kite on Sumatran corn silk?
Isn't it possible for large animals - or even primitve humans - to be lurking in the woods outside your hometown?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:06 / 12.09.02
The three British guys gave a talk on this at last year's Fortean Times convention. The hairs were originally something of a side issue, as they'd also discovered and taken a mould from a footprint that seemed to be a cross between an orangutan and human print, with the orang's gripping toes (which point away from the general slope of the foot - out to the right on the right foot and to the left on the left) replaced by a more straight set, much like human toes, the obvious suggestion being that they'd evolved for a creature that spends a large amount of time on the ground and walking upright.

The hairs, we were told, had been sent off to an expert - Brunner, presumably - who had, the day before the talk, got in contact with Sanderson, Davies and Townley and informed them that they didn't match up with those of any creature yet on record. There was one species left to check against, but it was an impossibility that they had come from it (why was never explained, leaving the audience to draw their own conclusions. Geographical area being a factor, at a guess).

General air of excitement in the auditorium, the audience containing a few 'well-known' cryptozoologists (an oxymoron if ever I heard one).
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:15 / 12.09.02
To answer you question, grant, of course it's a possibility. This particular case makes more sense than something like bigfoot, for a start. You've got a seven-foot mammal living in conditions which aren't exactly known for having an abundance of hiding places or natural resources (what, for example, is it going to eat?) and a five-foot ape/human hybrid living in lush jungle. I know which one I'd have my money on.

The one problem that I have with it is that nobody's found any remains of whatever this is. It's not a case of the creature - if it exists - being particularly adept at hiding itself and it's not like the old giant squid thing where nobody's seen a live one, but we know they exist from finding corpses.
 
 
Enamon
17:50 / 19.09.02
Unless of course they bury their dead.

Anyone up for a little grave robbing?
 
 
grant
13:01 / 18.10.02
Here's a related article about another possible undiscovered ape - this one in the Congo:

Out in the forest, something stirs


Oct 17th 2002 | BILI
From The Economist print edition


A species of ape unrecognised by science may exist in the Congo

A HUNDRED years ago, on October 17th 1902, Oscar von Beringe, a German explorer, “suddenly noticed a troupe of large black monkeys”, while climbing a volcano in eastern Congo. “We were able to shoot two of these monkeys”, he wrote, “which hurtled down the gorge of the crater with an incredible rumble.” That von Beringe then found himself “unable to classify the monkey” is not surprising. He was the first European to come into contact with a mountain gorilla.

Gorillas, mountain and otherwise, are rare now. Poachers kill the adults for their meat, and sometimes to make knick-knacks for foreigners. Youngsters are taken from the wild to adorn private zoos. But even after a century, that diminished population may yet hold a surprise.

In 1908 two apes were shot near a place called Bondo, in northern Congo. Their skulls (and two others found in local dwellings) had the crests characteristic of gorillas, but they were unusual enough for taxonomists of the time to classify them as a separate subspecies. Since then, no further specimens of this subspecies have been recorded. Four years ago, Karl Amman, a Swiss wildlife photographer, took up the quest to rediscover the missing gorillas. What he has found is not yet clear. But it might, just, be a new species of ape.

Mr Amman's expeditions into the forest of Bili, near Bondo (the latest of which, accompanied by this correspondent, has just returned from the bush) have not seen a live ape. But they have found a lot of ground nests. Such nests are characteristic of gorillas. Chimpanzees, the other species of ape that lives in this area, prefer to sleep in trees. Other spoor point to the presence of gorillas, too. Faeces in the area resemble those of gorillas, as does the way that saplings are broken down around nest sites. As if to clinch it, Mr Amman has also found another crested skull lying around.

Some of the nests, however, have hairs in them. And hairs contain DNA. That yielded a surprise. The DNA looks like that of a chimpanzee, not a gorilla. Moreover, a re-interpretation of the skull Mr Amman found has pronounced it to be that of a chimp, albeit a crested one. And analysis of the faeces suggests that whatever dropped them was eating a fruit-rich diet. That is also characteristic of chimps. What Mr Amman seems to have found is a chimpanzee that behaves like a gorilla.

Local hunters' reports point to something unusual, too. Bondo's hunters do not distinguish between gorillas and chimpanzees. Instead, they divide the local apes into “tree-beaters” and “lion-killers”. These two types look the same, and both flee hunters. But lion-killers, say the hunters of Bili, are much bigger—and are difficult to kill, even with a poisoned arrow. Several enormous chimp footprints seem to confirm the hunters' reports of an out-sized chimp. And, in a photograph recently obtained from a hunter, the body of one chimp appears to be about 1½ metres tall (five feet or so). Indeed, to nest confidently on the ground in forest thick with lions and leopards, the lion-killers would probably have to be of such a size.

Whether such lion-killers really are a distinct population, corresponding to Mr Amman's ground-nesting “chimpanzees”, and whether they are so different from other great apes that they constitute a separate species, remains to be seen. But it is surprising that in the early years of the 21st century such a discovery could even be contemplated. Apparently, the jungle has not given up all its secrets yet.



 
 
The Monkey
18:50 / 19.10.02
Um, apropos to none of the above about the Orang Pendek, but a cryptozoological query (that didn't merit its own thread). I notice some of the researchers in this area operate from mythological-bestiary precedents, and I was wonder if anyone out there (ahem...grant...) knew of a cryptozoologist with theories and/or research into the "Typhonian Beast" depicted in Ancient Egypt murals (the god Set had the head of one).
 
  
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