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Batman: The Musical

 
  

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gridley
14:53 / 03.09.02
Think I'm kidding? Check out this piece in the NY Post:

August 30, 2002 -- HOLY Broadway!"Batman: The Musical" has finally landed a director - Tim Burton.Warner Brothers, which is producing the multimillion-dollar musical, has been courting Burton, who directed the 1989 "Batman" movie as well as the 1992 sequel "Batman Returns," for over a year.
The studio sealed the deal last week, theater sources say, after Burton had several long and productive meetings with bookwriter David Ives and composer Jim Steinman.
Reached yesterday, Steinman said: "We're thrilled he's going to do it. David and I floundered around for a year trying to figure out how to musicalize Batman. Then we looked at Tim's original movie and thought, that's it."
Steinman said Burton "has already got a list of 20 designers from all over the world he wants to talk to about the production."
Burton - who also directed "Planet of the Apes" and "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" - has never staged a musical before, though he's said to enjoy the theater and has mused to friends that he'd like to start a puppet theater one day.
According to one theater source, he wants to direct "Batman: The Musical" because he is not pleased with the goofy, campy turn the franchise took with "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin," both of which were directed by Joel Schumacher.
Burton's movies were haunting and much darker than the theme-park rides Schumacher cranked out.
"He wants to re-establish his original vision," said the source. "His major impulse is to redeem the soul of the 'Batman' series."
Burton will begin working on the musical full-time next year. The plan is to open out of town in 2004 and arrive on Broadway in 2005.
The budget is still being worked out, but veteran producers figure a "Batman" musical would cost at least $15 million.
In addition to Batman and Robin, the musical will feature the characters The Joker and Cat Woman.
Steinman, whose "Dance of the Vampires" opens this fall on Broadway, described his "Batman" score as a mixture of "Brecht, Weill, Rodgers & Hammerstein and rock 'n' roll."
The overall design concept, as of right now, he said, is "Gotham City as Berlin in the 1930s."
Warner Brothers is in the process of setting up a theatrical division similar to the one Disney has put together.
The studio, says a source, has carefully tracked the success of Disney's "The Lion King" and "Beauty and the Beast," and now wants to get in on the game.
"They have movies that are just as popular, and they are looking for new ways to exploit them," the source said.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:56 / 03.09.02
I'm with you, Mr G. This has to be absolutely brilliant. I can say with no irony or sarcasm whatsoever that a Batman musical has got to succeed...
 
 
deja_vroom
14:57 / 03.09.02
Ok here is a gun now shoot me.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:39 / 03.09.02
Jim Steinman, FYI, is known primarily as the songwriter/arranger/producer behind the voice of Meat Loaf—he created the "classic" Bat Out Of Hell—and also arranged and produced some stuff for the Sisters of Mercy, including the shamefully shameless "This Corrosion": so we know he gives good bombast.

It makes sense, really: Steinman's work has been derided as "theatrical" (a dirty word to rawk critics) since the start of his career, and his brand of epic codswallop fits comfortably into the sonic landscape of (and indeed may be pegged as a key influence on) post-LloydWebber Broadway.

It really shoulda been Prince, though.

I've seen the future and it will be...
(BAT-MAAAAAAAAAN!)
I've seen the future and it works...
 
 
videodrome
16:04 / 03.09.02
And it shoulda been Schumacher, not that I think Burton's had a shred of cred for years...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
01:27 / 07.09.02
Funny, but I actualy saw the Prince soundtrack for BATMAN and asked, "It's a musical??" If you look at the lyrics, they're actually assigned to different characters.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:35 / 07.09.02
>>>According to one theater source, he wants to direct "Batman: The Musical" because he is not pleased with the goofy, campy turn the franchise took <<<

Is it me, or is the logic here completely backwards?
 
 
Sax
15:58 / 07.09.02
The overall design concept, as of right now, he said, is "Gotham City as Berlin in the 1930s."

Life is a batarang, old chum.
 
 
01
18:54 / 07.09.02
"One first class ticket straight to the vomitorium please."

How do these fucking idiots keep dragging my all time favourite comic hero, that I've dug since I was three, through a muck encrusted toxic cess pool of shame and disgust?

What next? "Superman- The Pap Smear"?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
23:34 / 07.09.02
Zerone, did we enjoy the Crow? Musical.
Batman as is previously pointed outin this thread, due to the Prince soundtrack. Musical.
Joel Schumacher described the last batman film as pop opera. Only 3 minutes of the film where without music. Musical.
Everyone wants to make musicals these days. The new Austin Powers film. Mike Myers has been pushing that way since Wayne's World. Musical.
Hell, Natural Born Killers. Even Juliet Lewis sings. Musical.
Watch any David Lynch film of the last 10 years. How much does he want to make a musical?

Tim Burton doesn't have the slightest clue of what it means to be a film director, the closest he's come is Sleepy Hollow. At best he's a slightly cliched art director, though oddly I have faith in him for this project. Though he has made a musical before. Nightmare before Christmas, the next almost a film after Sleepy Hollow. Musicals are making a comeback, the sad thing is few people have the balls to come out and say they want to make a musical, sadly they are content with making music videos like the One and Queen of the Damned rather than commiting and calling a spade a spade.

Praise be ot Barry Luhrman.
 
 
CameronStewart
06:00 / 08.09.02
>>> Though he has made a musical before. Nightmare before Christmas<<<

Tim Burton did not direct Nightmare Before Christmas. His name is above the title but only because it's based on a story he wrote. Henry Selick is the director.
 
 
01
17:36 / 08.09.02
I move that rise be banned from this site for ever.
 
 
Saint Keggers
20:09 / 08.09.02
Well Im looking forward to it. If only because its not Joel Schumacher. He did to Batman what Special Editions did to StarWars. I liked both Burton films.
 
 
01
20:52 / 08.09.02
And you're doing to Canada and Canadians everywhere what Joel Schumacher did to Batman.
 
 
Ellis says:
20:53 / 08.09.02
"Batman as is previously pointed out in this thread, due to the Prince soundtrack. Musical.
Joel Schumacher described the last Batman film as pop opera. Only 3 minutes of the film were without music. Musical"

and:

"Hell, Natural Born Killers. Even Juliet Lewis sings. Musical. "

So any film with music in is a musical?
 
 
01
20:58 / 08.09.02
Now, here's a guy who knows what time it is.
 
 
01
21:34 / 08.09.02
"Jim Steinman, FYI, is known primarily as the songwriter/arranger/producer behind the voice of Meat Loaf—he created the "classic" Bat Out Of Hell"

Good fuck does it get any worse?

If I were Ted Nugent, I'd shoot Meatloaf on site for obvious reasons then turn the gun on myself for even more obvious ones.

Maybe they should revive the Solid Gold Dancers, and recruit them for this fine production as well. Cast Richard Simmons as Robin and Liza Minelli as Catwoman. Batman to be played by American Idol finalist, Justin or better yet Rosie O'Donnel.

"Redeeming the soul of the Batman series..."????!!!!!! How obvious.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
17:10 / 09.09.02
No it's the level of choreography involved with the music. And the use of the music in the scene. The opening scene in the One has a fully choregraphed dance scene, except the dance is martial arts. Have a look at the action scenes in the Matrix and compare it with say the action scenes in the either of the Terminator films very different emphasis, use of score etc, then perhaps have a look at an old song and dance film or even many Bollywood films. Can't see a connection? Especially with wire work and lot of Hong Kong techniques making their way into the mainstream, I believe a lot of this kind of stuff was adapted from Chinese Opera. Don't think there's anything balletic in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon? Would you really have been that surprised if any of the main characters had burst into song? This is not exactly a revelutionary idea guys.

Musicals fell from popularity but I think a lot of directors have been looking for ways to sneak it back in (Baz Luhrman obviously not being that subtle.)

How many films have you seen recently that look like pop videos?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:23 / 09.09.02
John Woo would give his left nut to direct a musical.

But we're not talking about movies here, we're talking about Broadway. And it's not like this kind of thing hasn't been done before...
 
 
videodrome
20:51 / 09.09.02
Musical (stage or screen): Narrative in which plot and/or character are advanced and/or revealed through music, specifically in the lyrics and performance of.

Action being choreographed to music just don't count. Music has always been added to film for one primary reason: without it, film is bloody boring. (Example: just watched the Special Edition of Pulp Fiction that's out in the States. There's a different edit of the 'date' conversation sequence, before the dance competition. This edit has no music. It's slow and boring, even when you tak into account the small amount of added footage. The music makes that scene, but that scene, and that film, cannot be given the genre label 'musical'.) Moulin Rounge is a musical, as is The Happiness of the Katakuris. 'Use of music' alone doesn't cut it.

So, inexplicable Prince soundtrack to the first film (still not a musical) aside, what we're talking about here is a Singing, Dancing Batman. This is not The Matrix or Crouching Tiger. This is not choreographed, balletic fighting, revelling in the potential all-powerfullness of the human body. It's stupid. It's rubbish.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:43 / 09.09.02
>>>what we're talking about ehre is a Singing, Dancing Batman.<<<

Yeah, but I think it'll be more along the lines of Phantom Of The Opera than Singing In The Rain. More opera than whimsy.

However, it's still a colossally poor idea.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:50 / 09.09.02
See, I think that it is a bad idea, but it will probably be hilarious. And if they try to make it more serious and less camply, it will only be funnier.

I'm pro-comedy, you see.
 
 
01
23:43 / 09.09.02
"what we're talking about ehre is a Singing, Dancing Batman. This is not The Matrix or Crouching Tiger. This is not choreographed, balletic fighting, revelling in the potential all-powerfullness of the human body. It's stupid. It's rubbish."


Not to mention really gay.
 
 
Hieronymus
00:23 / 10.09.02
It's a guy in a bat-suit, folks. People can subscribe all they want to about the character but in the end, he's still just a guy in a bat-suit. So the three choices that are available don't leave much wiggle room. Camp, serious plumbing of the depths of his psychosis (Aronofsky better or there'll be fanboy hell to pay!!) or a mixture of the two. I imagine Burton will more or less take the mixture route if Batman and Batman Returns are any indication.

I'm like you, Cameron. I keep seeing a Phantom of the Opera take. Personally I think there's a chance it CAN be done well. As long as Adam West isn't jockeying for the role. You never know. Only in this world would a musical quite possibly be the first to dig into Batman's psychology. Stranger shit has happened.
 
 
Mazarine
00:36 / 10.09.02
There was an episode of Batman Beyond where the new Batman (Terry) and the old Batman (Bruce) were sitting watching "Batman: The Musical". Bruce walked out, saying "Excuse me. One side please. MOVE!"

"Villllllaaaains! Are a supersticious cowardly looooot!"
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
16:13 / 10.09.02
Musical- camp, nonsense.
Superheroes- camp nonsense.

I think it's an excellent medium for Batman and I think it'll be great. Though I must admit I wouldn't be surprised if it flopped. Mind you I do like musicals.
 
 
01
00:49 / 11.09.02
People that like musicals - camp, nonsense.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
06:29 / 11.09.02
Batman musical = Adam West. Can't you see? Stark design and psychoanalysis is giving way to spandex, beerguts and the batusi.

It's the only way it'd work, you have to admit. And Burt Ward's dying for a comeback, too...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
06:31 / 11.09.02
And zerone:

People that like musicals - camp, nonsense

What's up with that? Coupled with the "really gay" bit... it's a bit concerning.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:41 / 11.09.02
Not really - lest we forget, Zerone has in times gone by felt that the one insult guaranteed to silence any interlocutor is "fag".

He may not be very bright, but he is consistent...
 
 
Ellis says:
11:08 / 11.09.02
(Dark Knight Returns = Adam West. No doubt about it.)
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
14:00 / 15.09.02
First time I can recall being described as camp nonsense, it's kind of...liberating.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:56 / 15.09.02
This is fucking brilliant. I want a ticket. Now.*




*again with the "no irony" thing.
 
 
Mazarine
17:06 / 15.09.02
This would be a great New York area Barbe-fieldtrip, if it happens within our lifetimes.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
20:53 / 15.09.02
I think it will be a monstrocity





I want to go!
 
  

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