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Modern Art Is Rubbish

 
  

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Persephone
14:15 / 04.09.02
Because it's better with a little bit of salt.
 
 
Liloudini
14:21 / 04.09.02
I was thinking about the persons who paint landscapes in front of the original...most of them are very good technically. They know the right misture to do the right blue to imitate the blue they are seeing.
I rather prefer my photographic machine to do it.
But that doens't mean i don't valorize all the time I spent exercicing my pencils in front of nude persons or objects drawing or lanscapes to improve my skills...the technic is important but art is not only all about it....when it's all about that, it's a mere result of crafts apprenticeship or ability...
 
 
Liloudini
14:26 / 04.09.02
Because it rarely ever tastes like what it's meant to?

No! Because you can taste several flavours if you eat it slowly, in small portions, tasting every piece ( a soup not crushed, obviously)

Because it's better with a little bit of salt.

Yes! your salt is essential to enjoy!!
 
 
Saveloy
14:26 / 04.09.02
[rambling digression]

t.o.d.d.:

"The most pernicious myth of punk rock and modern art alike"

Regarding punk rock, I've heard of at least one study that *cough* proved *cough* that technical profficiency in musical instruments is indeed a matter of practice, and that any old cock could achieve a reasonably high standard if they put in the hours, stayed regular, ate plenty of fresh fruit etc. But I am only half-remembering a brief item on the radio some 3 or 4 years ago. Anyone know any more about this, or similar studies?

I can believe it of music more than I can painting. Control of an instrument is, I reckon, a simpler manual skill than controlling a brush or a pencil which provides far more variables; every nanometre provides you with a potential wrong turn. On an instrument everything is mapped out for you.

[/rambling digression]
 
 
rizla mission
14:30 / 04.09.02
I too take a kind of philistine "I don't know about art, but I know what I like" attitude to modern art, except that I do like it .. I inevitably grevitate toward the pieces nobody else likes and rant and rave about their grteatness to anyone who'll listen .. but the whole art world/gallery system pisses me off no end, because I inevitably forget the names of the pieces and artists I like and whenever I look in the gift shops and so on, they never sell prints or postcards of the stuff I like .. the whole atmosphere sort of says "oh, come now, you don't really want to put that on your wall, do you? buy a nice Goya tea towel instead", to which I mentally reply "well fuck you then! I'm buying to buy some comics instead!" and immediately lose interest in the terrific art I saw inside.
 
 
paw
15:04 / 04.09.02
who was that guy who won the turner prize when madonna presented the award? his works damn interesting
 
 
lentil
08:57 / 05.09.02
That was in the last couple of years, wasn,t it? It would either have been Wolfgang Tillmans or Martin Creed

Actually in the process of finding those links I've realised that it was definitely Martin Creed. The picture of Madonna giving him the award on the bbc website was a bit of a giveaway.
 
 
HCE
21:24 / 06.10.04
1. Andres, not David Serrano.
2. Judging by the various descriptions, I think people are talking about Contemporary rather than Modern art.
3. Why are some things art and some things not? I think a better question would be, Why is some art commercially succesful? Or perhaps, What is art and what is merely decoration?

What distinguishes paving stones in a museum from paving stones on your patio? For one thing, they are in a museum, and not in a patio. The context is different and important. This is particularly true of site-specific installations, but is generally true of all art. The context is partly the geographic and physical space in which the art is exhibited, is partly the intention of the artist, and is partly the perception of the viewer.

Paving stones in a gallery might have to do with a number of things: perhaps it's meant to draw attention to the physical property of the materials, perhaps it is a commentary on the relegation of the manual arts to a reduced status relative to the fine arts, perhaps the artist conceived of it as a sort of homage to his father who was a builder.

When confronted by a work in which the artist's intentions are incomprehensible to me, I generally try to look at the physical properties of the piece. Some minimalist work, such as large color fields, offers very little beyond the impact of that particular color of paint and the texture of the surface of the canvas. I for one find it very pleasurable to sometimes stop whatever else I'm doing or thinking about and just enjoy a particular color. Paving stones are almost too rich visually, don't you think? And I like the way the smell.
 
 
HCE
21:29 / 06.10.04
Another way to think of it: you have a child, right? Is there not a difference between cleaning your child's hands when sticky, and taking a photograph of them? Surely the stickiness is not the only difference. Same set of hands, but in one case you're thinking, How on earth did these clever little things get so deep into a jar of marmalade, and in the other perhaps, How can fingers be so tiny and perfectly formed and yet resemble my large and clumsy ones? Not a great example but the only one that occurs to me at the moment.
 
 
Sax
06:06 / 07.10.04
Christ, it's like Dawn of the Dead Threads around here.
 
 
HCE
14:58 / 07.10.04
Shaun of the Dead threads.

Any response to the posts? Still feel annoyed by contemporary art? Anything I say make any sense?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:04 / 08.10.04
Yeah, I'm curious too, about whether yr opinions on this have moved at all.

(and how on earth I missed this thread first time round... *g*)

Sax: if yr remotely still interested in this, a question:

on the 'I know what I like' thing. What do you like in visul art, what do you want it to do for you, what *does* grab you?

I think this might partly be about literacy, in that, culturally, we're a very much more textually-literate society than visually literate....
 
 
Sax
06:03 / 08.10.04
Sigh. This is why Convo threads *should* be deleted after a month. I was a bit grumpy on that particular day two years ago and possibly a bit mischievous. I still probably think some contemporary art is shite, but then again I like a lot of it.

Like most things these days, I tend to take stuff on its individual merits.
 
  

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