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Doubt.

 
 
6opow
08:26 / 30.08.02
It’s something we live with. It can be healthy, but it can also be devastating. I mean, doubt can inspire us to see through paradigms, structures, institutions, etc. It can help us see through our own darkness, but it can also create more darkness in us. I suppose here I am talking about self-doubt—doubt in my value, my worth. And aren’t these things hard to define sometimes: value, worth? What do we place value in, how do we define our own worth? Is it materialistic, spiritual? Is it based on how are family sees us, or maybe how our friends see us? It is hard to pin down exactly, and it even seems to shift and change from day to day. This can cause, in my experience, freedom, but it can also cause misery. Freedom in the good days where doubt is directed at the importance of asking myself such questions; that is, I enjoy when I doubt that I need to ask myself questions of about my self-worth. However, misery on the days where I am entangled in the darkness of doubting that I have much of any value.

Is this something that we all wrestle with? And where does this stem from, this self-doubt? Is it ingrained in us from societal influence? Is it merely because I lack self-confidence or a “healthy” self esteem? Or is it something that is more subtle and less able to be articulated? I mean, I’ve been around this community for almost two years, and during this time I’ve seen several threads which reflect people who find themselves under the knife’s edge of doubt. And don’t we sometimes wallow in it with a twisted enjoyment? I mean, we can sometimes really enjoy sliding that blade of self-doubt back and forth against our flesh in a masochistic revelry of loathing! But it can be a tough thing, a cold thing, a disheartening thing, this self-doubt.

Tonight I watched The Last Temptation of Christ again. I hadn’t seen it for a few years. Self-doubt seems to be a motif of this movie. Jesus repeatedly wrestles with doubt in his worth, doubt in his position, doubt in his path. And don’t we all? The character is confronted with doubt to such a degree that he sobs and pleads with God because he knows the course that his life must take, but yet, he finds himself afraid to take it. This extreme doubt is what supplies Satan with the opportunity to provide Jesus’ last temptation, and Jesus jumps at the chance to flee his destiny. Of course, in the end, Jesus conquers his doubt, and gains the courage to face the task that he must fulfill.

I dunno’. Most of us don’t have to worry about being crucified as a messiah, but I think there is something in this for us. I mean, we can, in our throes of doubt, feel as if we are being crucified on the wheel of life. We can feel as if we are being persecuted, slandered, devalued, alienated, ostracized, and a whole host of not very pleasant things to have to be feeling. Again, I wonder if sometimes we don’t enjoy it in a masochistic sense. We humans sometimes seem all too bent on promoting misery in the world, and sometimes it doesn’t seem to matter if we make others miserable or only ourselves: as long as someone is miserable, then we are happy.

A strange conundrum to be sure!

Anyway, I suppose that what I might be getting at is that doubt seems to be something that is faced by even the best of humans, and maybe what is important is not to succumb fully and completely to this doubt, but perhaps let it inspire us and drive us. That is to say, maybe, like in The Last Temptation, our doubt can serve as a vehicle for us to find courage, to find that inner strength that allows us to stand back up again, to raise our voice and say the things that might need to be said, might need to be heard.

Maybe we need only doubt the doubt that doubts.

Shrug. Some late night ramblings I guess. This living sure seems to be a terrible and wonderful balancing act though…
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:03 / 30.08.02
I think doubt’s a healthy thing. It’s the people who never stop to question themselves that I’d be wary of. By examining yourself every now and then, I think you’re more likely to find yourself heading in the direction that’s right for you (and probably for others too).

I think it’s in Yeats’s ‘The Second Coming’ where he says “The best lack all decision/While the worst are full of passionate intensity”, and whilst there’s nowt wrong with passionate intensity, it’s not so good if it’s not matched by a decent sense of direction (and it certainly wasn’t for me in my adolescent days).

So: I think doubt’s all right – in moderation. If it reaches the point that you can’t do anything or make any decisions, mind, I’d say that’s going too far…

DBC
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
09:32 / 30.08.02
i agree, doubts a good thing, eveyday we should ask ourselves if were doing what we want to do, if were leading a good life.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:18 / 01.09.02
I think doubt can be a useful thing to have, as a check to our wilder excesses, it's people that claim to have never doubted themselves that then go on to invade countries or become planet-crunching tycoons. But, as with many things too much doubt can be paralysing and you never pick up the brush or write the first word.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:45 / 01.09.02
Doubt is a NECESSARY thing. Without doubt, then where the fuck are the questions? And if there are no questions, then how can we expect answers?

If you're gonna use "The Last Temptation of Christ" as an example... then I have to say, that movie, far from being blasphemous as some claim is a FUCK of a lot more Christian than so much other shit I've seen... Jesus was born as a MAN. Not a "God on earth". It's the first movie (and, to be fair, novel it was based on) that seemed to get that part.

(I don't even think I can SEE the topic from here. Doubt, wasn't it?)

Doubt is what makes us analytical beings. It gives us walls whose boundaries we MUST push.

It can, though, as you say, also be devastating. Self-doubt- now that's the bastard.

Too many people confuse doubt with sceptisism and cynicism. When it is anything but.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:03 / 01.09.02
DBC:

I think it’s in Yeats’s ‘The Second Coming’ where he says “The best lack all decision/While the worst are full of passionate intensity”

"all conviction". Yeats is saying that the good people lack the moral certainty of the worst, and as such are ineffectual in the face of anarchy. A decent sense of direction per se isn't an issue.

Sometimes doubt is a very important and useful thing. For example, frequently people on this very board could benefit from a moment of doubt. "Does this word mean what I think it means?" "Am I sure that this person is accusing me of being a bad mother?" "Should I refresh my memory of 'Songs of Innocence and Experience' before making any big statements about it?" "Can I say absolutely sine dubio that David Lloyd George was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in 1938?"

These are all places where giving in to that little moment of doubt and finding a reference book, or looking again at somebody else' s comments, can save others and oneself a surprising amount of time and tedium, and perhaps have wider applciations in the world in general.

Again, "did I leave the iron on?" A moment of doubt that could be massively useful (or, admittedly, very annoying - context is key).

However. My relationship to self-doubt is probably conditioned to a very great extent by the Britishness that assumes it as a necessary component of existence. I'm getitng to the stage, certainly, that might suggest that a little less self-doubt and a little more certain understanding of my own greatness may not be a bad idea. On the other hand, I think it might also be profitable to distinguish between self-doubt and the fear of rejection or failure, which might as much be about conceit or self-image as uncertainty about the rightness or otherwise of our actions.

On the other hand, as Stoatie says, doubt can be vital. Doubt makes us question things. Doubt makes us ask questions about the rightness of our actions. In general, doubt is what stands between human beings and George W Bush, and I'd certainly rather be dubious than righteous any day.
 
  
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