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Magick performed in dreams

  
 
deja_vroom
12:20 / 29.08.02
For a while, I have getting this synchronicities referring to dreams, the dreamworld, and magick performed in dreams. I figured out I'd better try to exercise my lucid dreaming skills, dormant since I was a kid, and try to use it to perform rituals in my sleep. Question 1) Any recommendations, suggestions, advices?
Now...
Yesterday I dreamed with a friend (he's a little bit into chaos magick, too) and he was performing a ritual for me. At a certain point he said: "Wish away, kid", so I concentrated in a certain objective. Then he made me laugh (he's a REALLY funny person in the waking world, so this part was easy to him), and said: "Done. It was charged with your laughter".
Question 2) what do you think of it? Might work?
 
 
SMS
16:03 / 29.08.02
Might work?

Please let us know.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
22:47 / 29.08.02
synchronicities rock...when i got time i have to follow up the ones i keep on getting about certain sound freqencies and altered states of consciousness
 
 
the Fool
05:36 / 30.08.02
Two dreams I've had in the last too nights with magical content...

Dream One:

It started with me finding some birth certificate with all these extra middle names added to my name. They all looked very eastern european. Then all these people I had never seen before turned up to a party/fathers day/some gathering. Where it was revealed that I was in fact the product of an affair my Mum had had with some eastern european guy.

This progressed on a bit. It turned out the above mentioned eastern european guy didn't actually exist, despite some thorough checking by private detectives. It began look like I was the product of some genetic experiment involving something kept in 3 coffin shaped boxes. Some where along this track I met 3 kids who at first seems very wierd. They all had the ability to dominate people based on suggestion, which I discovered I was also capable of. I was somehow related to these kids. People were testing my psychic abilities which were divided into 4 categories (I can't remember what they were). The scientist at the lab I was now it were also trying to decypher this language that myself and the 3 kids were capable of speaking. This language was what dominated people. It could also create things by speaking, the word for grass made grass. I at one time looked at a transcript of some of the language and asked (using the language) for it to be translated, it came out as a string of numbers.

I sort of realised I had almost unlimited power and would probably have to limit myself to prevent myself being corrupted by it.

I then woke up.

Dream Two:

I had a dream where Tsathgohua (sp?) (of Cthulhu mythos fame) was released at a forest archelogical dig. He took the form of a flying strobe pattern/spiral. It began hunting and killing people. I went and hid in a cave (which later became a dwelling of some sort).I came across a pretty horrible illustrated book that detailed all dark gods and how to banish them and actually banished Tsathgohua.
The banishing ritual invovled a good number of people and I can't remember much in the way of detail.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
09:10 / 30.08.02
"the word for grass made grass"...if only
 
 
Professor Silly
04:32 / 04.09.02
Speaking of sychronicities--I decided to actively pursue this line of research in the past couple days.

I wonder how powerful a Lesser Banishing Ritual will seem in a dream state. It seems the problem lies in short term vs. long term memory. In a dreamstate we only have short term memory--one can prove this by various methods. A good example would be phones.

Every time I try to use a phone in a dream I mess up the number. I try again and mess up. Every time....

So it seems one has to memorize the ritual to the point of autopilot in order to get all the way through...who's down for some experimentin'?
 
 
deja_vroom
11:29 / 04.09.02
Ok you all probably know this but I'm sharing:

LUCID DREAMING - QUICK GUIDE
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1)Lucid dreams are no good if you can't remember them when you're awake. Ask yourself "do I usually remember my dreams?". I yes, good. If not, there are exercises that might help you remembering more stuff:
1.a - Have a notebook by your bedside. As soon as you wake up, write down everything that you can remember about your dream.
2.a - Set your alarm to go off three hours into your sleep. Wake up, read some stuff related to lucid dreaming and dreams for about 10, 15 minutes and go back to sleep. Some research indicates that if you wake up in the middle of the night you have more chances of remembering your dreams in the morning.

2 - Make constant reality checks. During the day, try to make your hand go through a wall. Turn this into a habit, because your dream-self has your habits, too. Your dream-self will try to get hir hand through a wall and probably will manage to do it, thus sparking the "I'm in a dream! I can do whatever I want" response.
2.a - Another reality check consists in, when seeing something written (plaque, road sign, magazine etc), looking away and then back to the writing. If the writing changes, you're dreaming. Much fun ensues.
2.b - A common occurence is that you'll find youself waking up as soon as you discover that you're dreaming. That's annoying and frustrating, but can be avoided: When you realize you're only sleeping and notice you're about to wake up (you can tell: Things start fading), start spinning around. Remember Superman digging a hole in the ground merely spinning? Do that. That gets you focused inside the dream again (even though, in the beginning, this procedure will probably cause you to forget you're in a dream).

As soon as I remember more stuff i'll post here. Again, sorry if this is no news.
 
 
penitentvandal
12:18 / 04.09.02
I've kept a dream diary for a year now, on and off, and it now seems that my dream self is getting more and more powerful (admittedly at the minute that's like 'Hans Molman getting more and more sexy', but it's a start...)

A few nights ago, I had a dream where my pet cat, Pixie, was being menaced by two strange, fox-like creatures. I'd been doing a lot of chakra exercises during the past couple of weeks (mainly to keep myself focused on magic while not doing any major magical work per se), so the most logical approach, it seemed to my dream-self, was to zap the foxes with some throat-chakra energy, in the form of a Banshee-style sonic scream attack. This worked: the foxes turned into freaky energy vortices and disappeared. It was cool.

Then. Just last night, I had a dream which, among other things, featured Promethea, Jim Morrison, Dante's Wood of Suicides, Paris, and me getting stoned in the dream and waking up stoned in real life...The most impressive magical bit, tho', occurred early on in the dream. I'm on the 'phone to some goit, and for some reason I'm trying to get him to put me thru to Yemaya, a santeria god-form I often work with. This bloke kept acting stupid, but in an obviously deliberate way, and I got really pissed off. Realising it was a dream (why would I try to phone a voodoo deity in real-life?) I was about to wake up, but I forced myself back to sleep, went lucid, and visited the guy's house with a crowbar and a torture kit, forcing him to reveal Yemaya's whereabouts to me. Then I went to see her and we hung out for a while - I don't remember either of us saying much. She wore this blue-and-white sarong thing, and looked like Angela Basset.

Which was nice...
 
 
Lionheart
04:46 / 05.09.02
I disagree with the hypothesis that we only have short term memory in dreams because in my dreams I have a long term memory. Now, these long term memories aren't always the ones from this reality but from the character who I'm playing in the dream reality.

What I discovered from my dreams is that I am more free in my dreams. That is there is a stronger immersion of the conciousness and the subconciousness than there is in real life. In real life, just a few weeks ago in Moscow, I was climbing a wall in one of those arcade park places. Well, I had the strength but my hands, specifically my fingers wouldn't respond to my mental commands as well as they do normally. There was a mental block, created by underlying fear of falling, which was telling my fingers to hold on while my "active" mind, my awareness, was telling my fingers to let go. My awareness capsule aka "me" isn't too dominant over my underlying subconcious mind. In fact I try to let my subconcious mind be as open and communicative as possible with my concious mind. I try to have a passive awareness...but I'm getting sidetracked into a different topic.

What I discovered was that in my dreams I would not have the problem that I had climbing that wall. My concious mind lacks fear in dreams. Now I still exercise caution in dreams but I don't have a limiting fear. Thereby the signals of my concious mind, my awareness capsule, aren't overirdden by the the signals sent out by my subconcious mind caused by a chemical reaction of fear.

The point of all this?

Fear is but one mental block. In dreams you can have more access to your whole (subconcious/concious mind - one entity fluid structure hard to explain in words but if I could model it as a 3d animation on the computer with a voiceover then a lot of you would understand what i mean the limitation of language, more accuratly the limitation of nouns, in describing fluid concepts) mind and thereby you have less mental blocks to pass. Like a half-way state of gnosis but with the awareness present but more passive than normal. Thereby rituals could be done easier and stuff.

Maybe what we should try doing is incorporating visualization into dreams. Remember that article from New Scientist which said that if you visualize yourself exercising hard enough then you get the same effects as exercising? Well, maybe when we dream we should somehow use visualization to transfer the powers of the dreaming mind, the mind in dream state, to the "waking reality".

Just a thought.

.monkeys.
 
 
the Fool
05:42 / 05.09.02
I disagree with the hypothesis that we only have short term memory in dreams because in my dreams I have a long term memory.

I've got a similar sense of 'dream memory'. For instance, the geography of my dream Melbourne is basically consistent dream to dream, though it only vaguely resembles the real city. On rare occasions the dream version has actually overlaped the real prior to me seeing a location in the real world.

Certain dreams are linked, within these dreams I have memory of previous events that occured in that reality. It depends how lucid I am and how symbolic the dream is. A purely symbolic dream has its own tale to tell, and I watch much like a movie. Then there are dreams within the dream reality that are more stable and less symbolic, where I can act just as I normally would (though I am always unaware that its a dream, partly because I have memory and because it seems so realistic).

I actually tested the level of realism recently in a lucid dream. It was an autumn scene, lots of trees. I moved around to look at the detail of tree on tree perspective change. It was perfect. An exact replica of reality. I was stunned.
 
 
Professor Silly
18:22 / 06.09.02
...okay, I oversimplified.

the process of transferring short term memory info into the long term banks doesn't work in dreams...that's why signs will change if you look away and look back (I've used this technique myself most successfully). Memories of childhood places should remain intact, 'cause they're already stored.
 
 
Lionheart
02:37 / 10.09.02
the Fool: The same thing happens to me! I visit a place in my dream and then I see it in real life. The place is the same it's just getting there that's different.

Chevy: I must disagree with you again. To me in some dreams whenever I lookedaway from a sign the words did change but as I became more experienced as a dreamer I've discovered that consistency not only started appearing in my dreams but started coming about naturally. It's amazing because eventually my dreams started reaching an amazing level of reality. I started dreaming with knowledge of the fact that I'm dreaming about 80% of the time. I always let the dream play out to see the story and explore the reality. I started coming up to objects and looking at them. They seemed more clearer than in real life. My vision was better than in real life.
 
 
Seth
16:07 / 10.09.02
Maybe one way to look at it is that most people naturally dream in a pre-linguistic state, so that the dreamscape is dominated by symbols with infinite possible meanings (the dark woman, the circle), rather than signs, which denote concrete meanings (words, traffic signs, etc). The occurence of signs in the dreamscape increases in frequency the more we practise exercises that draw our waking consciousness into our dreamstate (the reverse is true of observing increasing symbolism in our waking life). Of course, this is a generalisation, and in reality the dividing line between symbol and sign tends to blur.
 
  
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