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Feel like I am losing it...

 
 
that
08:26 / 29.08.02
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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:34 / 29.08.02
Just out of interest, how long you been on the fluoxetine? If it's less than a month, then give it time.

Dunno what advice to offer really... just try to enjoy the good bits and give yourself tons of stuff to keep you occupied during the bad bits. (Or you could follow my lead and cope with your depression by developing an alcohol problem... or perhaps not.)

Take care, good luck and huggles anyway. This too will pass.
 
 
bio k9
09:03 / 29.08.02
Not sure if this will help or not...
 
 
Naked Flame
09:12 / 29.08.02
Sympathy. It's no fun, I know.

I don't know if I can suggest anything positive beyond Stoaties 'this too will pass' but if you want something to try, getting out of the city for a few days can be really seriously good- so much psychic debris floating around this town it's no wonder your mind feels it has to shout. Get somewhere really quiet and spend some time listening to empty space. It's very refreshing...
 
 
that
09:35 / 29.08.02
Been on the fluoxetine for a good few months... the problem is, which only so far a psychiatric nurse has cottoned onto, even the 'good' bits, the high bits, aren't really 'good' because they seriously feel unnatural... and I'm just so up and down, its fucking exhausting...

Sorry for whinging, folks... thank you for the huggles, the bears and the advice...
 
 
Persephone
11:00 / 29.08.02
Don't know what to say... I'm so sorry that you're in pain. I think that you're such a lovely person. xo, P.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:02 / 29.08.02
Huggles for you. Might it be worth asking to try a different medication, or combination of drugs? It doesn't sound like the fluoxetine is helping. Perhaps you could ask to see a psychopharmacologist about it...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
11:18 / 29.08.02
Hugs for you.
 
 
Cavatina
11:40 / 29.08.02
Sorry to read that you're feeling so low, Cholister. Virtual hugs and lots of good wish bubbles for a significant lift in your spirits.

I guess you've already looked closely into possible relationships between your diet and the mood swings? A woman I was close to for a number of years eventually found that her depression, as well as her intestinal and menstrual ailments, were relieved considerably by eating meals high in protein and low in carbohydrates, as well as cutting out foods such as wheat and milk to which she had a sensitivity. She was under a female GP who made extensive use of homeopathic remedies and who also encouraged her to experiment systematically with her diet. When she finally found a dietary regime that suited her, I think the theory was that she had low levels of noradrenaline, which were raised by eating a high protein diet (including 2 or 3 fish meals a week) and lots of green leafy vegetables and fruits to make sure that care that she got plenty of vitamins B and C, flavonoids, calcium, iron, magnesium, potassium and zinc.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:09 / 29.08.02
Hugs, Chol. I know how bad this kind of thing can feel.

Seconding Cavatina's dietary advice here. Try adding some foods that are high in omega-3 fats: oily fish, walnuts, flax seed and olive-oil are all good, and there's also a brand of egg containing extra omega-3 (I belive they put it in the chook's food). If you can't face these, then cod-liver oil or flax seed oil capsules can be had from health food stores and chemists.

Foods containing selenium can be helpful too. Brazil nuts are a good source; even just three or four a day can make a difference.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:43 / 29.08.02
Hugs for you, sweetheart. Remember that there are always people ready to listen to you, that you're not on your own. And perhaps if you find it easier to explain how you feel here/in text, writing some of it down before going to see the psych. would be useful, on both sides?

And this might sound obvious, but are you taking the medication reguarly? From personal experience (with different drugs) it can be very hard to remember/be bothered to take them but *any* irregularity in dosage can have really strong effects...

Also, the various alternatives that people have mentioned are well worht looking at - diet can make a huge difference.

Support - if you don't feel you can talk to friends, get your doctor to point you in the direction of support groups - just knowing you have some places to go to be listened to can ease the pressure loads... and discovering that other people have been in similar positions and how they've coped can be amazingly empowering
 
 
netbanshee
15:20 / 29.08.02
Hope you're doing ok.

My friend had some similar difficulty...being put on anti-depressants when he was manic-depressive. Took years to get him to find somone who wanted to balance him, instead of making him very manic or in other words misdiagnosed. It also seems like you've spent enough time with your current med to start getting somewhere with it if it had worked.

But then again, this is one person and their experiences. I don't think I have any valid answers to go on except to maybe give a shout to our elephant headed friend. Best of luck.
 
 
that
15:32 / 29.08.02
Thanks to all... too frazzled to write much sensibly, but I appreciate you all so much, seriously...

Huggles...
 
 
Ganesh
17:43 / 29.08.02
Well, speaking for all psychiatrists everywhere (as usual), the problem isn't so much that no-one's listening or understanding; rather they are listening but simply cannot come up with a pharmacological 'magic bullet'. Sometimes there just aren't any.

'Mood swings' is a fairly common complaint, and when each 'phase' lasts hours to days rather than weeks, it's very difficult to suggest anything constructive in terms of pharmacological support. Quite apart from the fact that, basically, your GP's correct - even quite extreme fluctuations in mood do shade into 'normal' human experience - the nature of many psychotropic drugs makes them unsuitable in this context. Antidepressants, for example, take an average of two to six weeks to exert a noticeable mood-lifting effect - not much help when you want to lift today's 'depression' now. Those drugs which do act instantaneously to sedate or elevate mood tend, on the whole, to be hugely dependence-forming - and to produce an equally sharp swing in the opposite direction when they wear off.

As far as the 'highs' not feeling "natural", I'd be surprised if anything felt 100% free-range, dolphin-friendly, unbleached natural on 60mg Fluoxetine...

I have no idea of your psychiatric history, Cholister, and am loathe to make specific suggestions online but if your GP/psychiatrist hasn't tried you on a mood stabiliser (Lithium wouldn't be indicated but Carbamazepine, Sodium Valproate or Lamotrigine might be worth a whack) now might be a good time. Unlikely to make you feel completely 'natural' - people not infrequently complain of feeling 'blanded out' - but might curb the extremes of your swings. Might.

Given the general inadequacy of psychotropic drugs in the face of rapid 'mood swings', however, I'd be inclined to put less emphasis on medication (the expectant placebo-esque 'high' and subsequent crashing disillusionment if they don't work is a mood swing in itself) and instead pursue all and any alternatives.

So go for it. Basically, anything which you know to have a calming influence on you - people, places, activities - is worth devoting serious time and energy to. Pleasantly repetitive, 'mind numbing' hobbies (swimming lengths, knitting) can help, as can intentionally regressive play sessions (plasticine! finger painting!) Pay attention to your diet (some suggestions above), avoid alcohol and/or other stimulants, try to establish a regular sleep pattern. If possible, keep 'stressful' people at arm's length and make an effort to be around people whose company soothes you. Visit your favourite places with your favourite friends.

Take your medication, same(ish) time every day - but try not to get too hung up on it. In particular, don't clock-watch the hours/days until you expect it to 'kick in'. Waiting is, in itself, stressful.

That's all, really. Common-sense, mealy-mouthed New Agey bollocks - but, while the drugs we prescribe remain coarse, non-specific or hit-and-miss in terms of their actions, that's all we have to offer.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:09 / 29.08.02
Phew, after that can't do much other than join everyone else in offering you support and virtual huggles...
 
 
that
07:06 / 30.08.02
Thanks, all... really am sorry for whinging, feel quite horrendously embarrassed, as per usual.

Ganesh - I know medication isn't the whole answer - frankly it doesn't at the moment seem to be much of an answer at all... just am at the end of my tether, feel like I need help, and there do not seem to be any avenues open to me... was not having a go at the medical profession in general... just feel like I need something, not even medication-wise, just something...and i'm not even sure what and I know there's fuck all that can be done and I know I'm not being reasonable but it's just getting too much for me...

Thanks, all...so much. back to lurking for me, I think...
 
 
Ganesh
07:15 / 30.08.02
Cholister: being "reasonable" isn't the point; I guess I'm worried that you might be investing too much in a science that's hopelessly inexact when it comes to addressing the daily ebbs and flows of mood. You're right when you say medication's not much of an answer at all - and I'm often concerned that the whole 'waiting for the drugs to kick in' rigmarole can be an unsettling cycle of hope and disappointment in itself. Worse, it can sometimes 'paralyse' one as far as other avenues are concerned.

Like I said, suggest a mood stabiliser to your GP if you've not been on one already - and try to be around people, go places and do things that soothe and balance you. Whatever you do, don't sit at home keeping it to yourself.
 
 
that
07:15 / 30.08.02
Thanks, 'Nesh. Sorry, all...
 
 
that
07:17 / 30.08.02
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Kit-Cat Club
07:33 / 30.08.02
I don't really know what to say - nothing really helps, does it? - but you certainly sound like you aren't getting the support you need... you need a Cholister's Champion really. I wish you didn't feel so bad. 'Responsibility' is probably not a very helpful thing for you to be thinking of, but I can guess a little of how it is. Hugs.
 
 
grant
14:01 / 30.08.02
If it helps, I think a major part of "sorting things out" is the realization that things can't really be sorted out, they just sort of sort themselves out by themselves.

In other words, wu wei.

And there's no need to apologize, either.

Sometimes the very act of drawing a breath seems like too much work to me. (But by then, the work involved with stopping breathing is too much, too.)
I *think* the only way I get through that is just stopping everything, including worrying about trying to do anything. I dunno, though, since it's not easy to remember it all. Listening to water seems to help, too.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
14:12 / 30.08.02
Believe me, Chol, I know how you feel. And I feel frustratingly inarticulate at times like this, but you should know that people here ARE for you. I've met you enough times to know that you warrant a place in my Book Of Good Eggs. And I hate that no amount of *words* here will have an instantaneous effect in cheering you, but just remember this - you fucking rock, even though you might think you don't. And apologies are, as grant suggests, never necessary.

Hugses.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
14:21 / 30.08.02
I've been reading this and not knowing what to say - because nothing I can say will make a damn bit of difference. I know, having been really at rock bottom and feeling desperate and stuff, that no one can come up with a magic sentence that will make everything better.

All I will say is that, even through the bad times, I've been amazed at how quickly things can change. I had at least one serious suicide attempt, and quite a few other bizarre and potentially lethal situations, when I thought there was nothing worth hanging on for. But it was my perspective that was skewed - that's not to say life isn't/can't be shit. It can and is! But you're a very intelligent young woman with a sick sense of humour and a gorgeous tattoo (hope I'm allowed to out your newly inked arm. If not, grovelling apologies); the world is yours.
 
 
netbanshee
16:46 / 30.08.02
Perspective...as brought up by sfd...is where it all stems from. I'm just starting to handle myself after a slow but dibilitating (sp?) 2 year slide into the abyss. Then last week, I decided to do something about it. Making the commitment to try to change a few things made a small but noticeable difference. And then some answers started conveniently showing up. So...do what you can to change the surroundings you're in. Keep in mind there's plenty of people out there who're tying to make it hard on you, so don't join in.
 
  
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