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"the bush doctrine"

 
 
autopilot disengaged
09:03 / 14.12.01
i feel bad for neglecting this forum recently. in the initial 2months following 911 i was obsessed to a probably unhealthy degree. for the last month or so, my particular brand of monomania has been focused on the play i suddenly had to write - inspired by current events (though hopefully not in a cringe-inducingly naked agit-prop kinda way).

annnyway: as a result, i'm not finding myself with a lot of time to Barb, but increasing urgency spurred me to post this - which includes some of the most important things i've read, just very recently:

first up, general policy advice to those who've been asking what comes after Afghanistan -

quote:Impressively, for a man not known for eloquence or erudition, Bush is about to find an entire, holistic approach to international affairs has been coined in his name. The Bush doctrine is being evoked as a template for conflict resolution worldwide. As Pentagon hawks hover, hunting for more enemies, the Bush doctrine threatens to extend beyond a response to September 11 and become a rule for dealing with the US's global pariahs. Others are finding the rule convenient to appropriate to deal with local difficulties. Relying exclusively on the use of force, the Bush doctrine maxim is: "To every action there should be an unequal and disproportionate reaction." - Gary Younge, The Guardian

certainly the pithiest summary i've seen of the unrepentant fucking fascism we're seeing invoked dropping daisy cutters on Tora Bora, sending helicopter gunships into Hebron.

i don't know whether anyone's read The New Jackals - i haven't, and couldn't say much about it's contents or bias either way - but one thing that did make an impact on me, scanning thru it, was the reclassification terrorist experts coined for 911-style attacks - 'apocalyptic terrorism'. this is what Prof Paul Rogers of Bradford's Peace Studies course was talking about when he said all assumptions about the behaviour of rogue individuals have to be reassessed. previously, the limits on behaviour were thought to be the person's instinct to avoid capture, and what's more fundamental, self-preservation - not to mention the notion that even people dedicated to terror tactics and violence would baulk at the thought of potentially killing vast swathes of people.

911 shows, in certain circles, this no longer holds - and the reason, it's fairly easy to deduce is the final phase of american complete control - in which it's all-conquering military and economic dominance has made it public enemy #1 for the world's dispossessed, rightly, wrongly or wherever in between.

i admit, in the wake of NY, i really thought the US would necessarily take a step back, realise its Golden Age of unquestioned dominance was over - now that, for the first time, the leaders of the country realised their own innocent populace was going to be punished for the wrongs they perpetuated on others, wherever in the world. what we're seeing instead is the use of 'the war against terrorism' to quite openly consign international law to the dustbin of history.

don't they realise this is a 'war' no one can win? or is this a case of unscrupulous leaders exploiting a situation to consolidate and expand their own power? does anyone really know what they're doing?

'cause things seem to be accelerating...

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fluid_state
09:03 / 14.12.01
>>don't they realise this is a 'war' no one can win? or is this a case of unscrupulous leaders exploiting a situation to consolidate and expand their own power? does anyone really know what they're doing? <<

option number two, I believe. This is a person manipulated into the highest office in the land through his own ego; by people who have adopted a far more active role in population control than the intellectual consciousness believes is possible. Really, if you can turn U.S. democracy into organized crime RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS and distract the populace from the actuality of it, you learn that you can do anything you want. Distracting millions of people with luxury-overload, disguising that overload as legitimate option-paralysis, fueling apathy towards anything even remotely political, breeding a nation of disparate individuals who can agree on nothing save unneccessary luxuries, and scaring the living hell out of them sounds like pretty persuasive politics to me. Machiavelli has become to the American Government what Nietzche was to the Nazis. They're ensuring a safer, hackless consumer zone, so the money keeps rushing to the top. Recontextualizing freedom to remove troublesome notions of discipline or responsibility, which impede fiscal prosperity.
 
 
invisible_al
09:03 / 14.12.01
Alternatively this could just be the last frenzied death rattle of the American Empire. Them piling on the pressure in a reaction to the dominance they're loosing.
Just an alternate theory.

China is currently laughing its ass off with the excuse its been given to modernise its nuclear weapons. Of course they could be appropriated as the next great satan for America to fight.

Rest of America's allies are still carrying on with stuff like the Kyoto treaty without the yanks. America used to set great store in it allies, when it was 'fighting' the cold war. Bush thinks the rest of the world doesn't matter, even despite Sept 11th.

Heres hoping for the backlash to the backlash at some point. 'This too will pass' as the saying goes.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
10:51 / 14.12.01
quote:Relying exclusively on the use of force, the Bush doctrine maxim is: "To every action there should be an unequal and disproportionate reaction." - Gary Younge, The Guardian

Didn't you see "The Untouchables"?
(paraphrased, to wit)
"He comes at you with a bat, you'd better bring a knife. He comes after you with knife, bring a gun. He comes after you with airplanes full of people, bring the fucking daisy cutter."

When dealing with Gangsters like bin Laden and the Taliban, the only credible and I believe in some sense moral response is to inflict greater damage on them back in retaliation for their heinous crimes. Why is this "fucking facism"? The only way I can see the war effort in Afghanistan as being quote-unquote facist is if you see every use of violence by the state as being equally illegitimate . Is there, in your opinion, a legitimate place for the use of violence by a state, any state? Has there ever been in the past? And how does this situation differ?

You comparison of "helicopters in Hebron" to "daisy cutters on Tora Bora" reminds me of something Christopher Hitchens published in the Atlantic Monthly this month. He quotes Marx to the effect that "when people learn a new language, they habitually translate it back to their old language" and gives Chomsky as an example. Chomsky, whatever his deeds in the past of exposing malefeasance by the US or other Western governments (and their puppets) automatically subsumed the actions and reactions of 9/11 into his native discourse; that is, the systems of binary oppositions whereas the actions of a state are at best suspect and the actions of the (again) quote-unquote "dispossessed" are "understandable" given the world situation.

Read the fucking "smoking gun" transcript. Is this something "understandable" to you? Are these guys people who are legitimately fighting "imperialistic" powers in order to give power to the "dispossessed"?

quote:911 shows, in certain circles, this no longer holds - and the reason, it's fairly easy to deduce is the final phase of american complete control - in which it's all-conquering military and economic dominance has made it public enemy #1 for the world's dispossessed, rightly, wrongly or wherever in between.

Who are the "dispossessed" that are committing this 'apocalyptic terrorism'? (a great coinage based on the preponderance of dream-motivation in the UBL transcript) They aren't sweatshop workers in the Philipines or the children of the victims of death squads in Latin America. They are "fucking facists" to use your term, who care to liberate people from the grip of "Empire" (whatever that is. I can't figure it out, totally, from reading Hardt and Negri) only insomuch as those same people submit to a feudal or medieval style of government. To equate the struggles of even the Palestinians, who have engaged in some dicy rhetoric and tactics in my book, with the actions of UBL and the Taliban as symptomatic of the same "root causes" is a horrible, horrible move for the left, as it is at the best disingenuous and at the worst downright dishonest. In either a mania of anti-Empire reveries or in a simple inability to see the difference between the perpetrators of 9/11 and their motivations and the vast numbers of "dispossessed" across the globe, the left has done irreperable damage to the cause of global equality.
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i admit, in the wake of NY, i really thought the US would necessarily take a step back, realise its Golden Age of unquestioned dominance was over - now that, for the first time, the leaders of the country realised their own innocent populace was going to be punished for the wrongs they perpetuated on others, wherever in the world. what we're seeing instead is the use of 'the war against terrorism' to quite openly consign international law to the dustbin of history.

Well, here's the pickle: The "dispossessed", whoever they are and whereever they are, have no representation in international law, and therefore no reason to adhere to it, because they are not a state. Hence the violence of 9/11 and why it is properly called "terrorism" instead of an act of war. Can you address the crimes of a people outside of international law through international law? Seems impossible, doesn't it? In any case, the US's actions are in accord with the UN's provisions for "self-defense" of nations, which is, (to my mind)one of the only powers of the people that is totally ceded to the state in a democracy of any kind.

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don't they realise this is a 'war' no one can win? or is this a case of unscrupulous leaders exploiting a situation to consolidate and expand their own power? does anyone really know what they're doing?


This is where I am in full agreement with you , and this is why I am happy to live in America, where the political and justice processes are in a large part transparent. Many people, both on the left and (surprise!) far right are concerned with the steps the Bush Administration has taken domestically to combat "terrorism". There ARE people in the congress who are willing to be irritants in the eyes of the arrogant, and I salute them and hope they continue to question the administration, whether or not I totally agree with their politics.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:18 / 14.12.01
Hunter S Thompson had the 'Bush doctrine' nailed down long before some spin-doctor came up with it, in Hell's Angels. He called it 'the ethic of massive retaliation', or something similar.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
11:55 / 14.12.01
quoteriginally posted by fit to be todd:
When dealing with Gangsters like bin Laden and the Taliban, the only credible and I believe in some sense moral response is to inflict greater damage on them back in retaliation for their heinous crimes. Why is this "fucking facism"?


well, admittedly - 'fuckig fascism' wouldn't hold up in a court of semantics - all the US action so far has, i agree been supported by popular approval (not that that magically makes the response right). as for using daisy cutters to take out bin Laden - you'd do a better job of convincing me if you actually knew where he was. there are women and kids in Tora Bora. dropping a daisy cutter on top of them hopes to achieve the same result as what the Russians called the 'vacuum bomb' - ie. burning so fast and fiercely, it sucks up air from underground and suffocates those within. this, amidst claims from afghan allies that the al-Queda forces had made a tentative offer of surrender. ok - not fascism, strictly speaking - but i'd like to see you explain how this is in any way a 'moral' act. they're in a cave. they're surrounded. they ain't going anywhere.

this has long been my problem with the US response - ill-thought out and poorly targeted. since the fall of the taleban, the hawks are strutting round like they saved the world, but what this 'Bush doctrine' is actually doing - and this worries me even more than events in afghanistan - is giving a veneer of legitimacy to military-minded leaders everywhere. it's terrorist shootin' season! who's a terrorist? whoverer we say is a terrorist!

as for binary oppositions - the last thing i'm doing is championing bin Laden - but the US foreign policy in the Middle East has been disastrous. that's where the reservoir of resentment against america comes from. you can't just conjure up hate on that scale. if the west pursued a more respectful and less exploitative line on the region, there wouldn't be many volunteers for martyrdom.

and yeah, the parallel between afghanistan and palestine was pretty simplistic and stupid - but you try telling that to Ariel Sharon...

as for the UN - i believe it's done itself a grave disservice in allowing 'self-defence' to be defined purely by the aggrieved party. not that that will matter much longer, since an increasingly isolationist US seems unlikely to bother much with it again.

what i'm saying here, todd is - the war on terrorism is going to escalate terrorism - on both sides - so far that, maybe for the forseeable future, might will very nakedly equal right. international politics will be terrorism by other means.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
12:12 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by autopilot disengaged:


well, admittedly - 'fuckig fascism' wouldn't hold up in a court of semantics - all the US action so far has, i agree been supported by popular approval (not that that magically makes the response right). as for using daisy cutters to take out bin Laden - you'd do a better job of convincing me if you actually knew where he was. there are women and kids in Tora Bora. dropping a daisy cutter on top of them hopes to achieve the same result as what the Russians called the 'vacuum bomb' - ie. burning so fast and fiercely, it sucks up air from underground and suffocates those within. this, amidst claims from afghan allies that the al-Queda forces had made a tentative offer of surrender. ok - not fascism, strictly speaking - but i'd like to see you explain how this is in any way a 'moral' act. they're in a cave. they're surrounded. they ain't going anywhere.


Well, I suppose my answer to this would be this: If there are woman and children in the Tora Bora caves, (I gather you are referring to the wives and children of Al Qaeda members), it is purely the fault of Al Qaeda that they put these people at risk. Would you bring your family into a cave you knew would be attacked?

With regards to surrender offers from Al Qaeda fighters, there are two reasons to be very, very skeptical. One, the events at the MAzar i Sharif prison camp. Two, sources indicate today that the cease fire might have been subterfuge to allow bin laden or other senior leaders to escape. The cave complexes at Tora Bora do NOT seem (to me, with all the evidence that I have read) to be capable of being completely and utterly surveilled so that no escape is possible.
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this has long been my problem with the US response - ill-thought out and poorly targeted. since the fall of the taleban, the hawks are strutting round like they saved the world, but what this 'Bush doctrine' is actually doing - and this worries me even more than events in afghanistan - is giving a veneer of legitimacy to military-minded leaders everywhere. it's terrorist shootin' season! who's a terrorist? whoverer we say is a terrorist!

This is a concern of mine too, and has more to do with the rhetoric used to justify these actions by the Bush admin. more than the justness of actions themselves. Of course this kind of rhetoric opens things up for The Russians to kill chechens or the Chinese to kill Tibetans or whatever else. And we have the example of Sharon already, though I'm not willing to totally condemn Israeli actions as of yet. You see, if I get up and walk 5 minutes from where I am typing this right now, I'd be in the middle of a colossal disaster area. And that still makes it hard to keep perspective and think about the "moral equivalence" of actions.
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as for binary oppositions - the last thing i'm doing is championing bin Laden - but the US foreign policy in the Middle East has been disastrous. that's where the reservoir of resentment against america comes from. you can't just conjure up hate on that scale. if the west pursued a more respectful and less exploitative line on the region, there wouldn't be many volunteers for martyrdom.

Well, here's my opinion on the Middle East. The US supports some incredibly oppressive regimes (Mubarak, Saudi Arabia) which are unpopular with their people. The people, however, have been rallied under this flag of "islamicism" (not Islam) which, were to the US to try to insist on democratic reforms in these autocratic nations, would result in arguably more repressive, and even more importantly, less predictable regimes. Let's face it. Good/Evil regimes are less important in international affairs for the makers of policy than predictable/unpredictable regimes. The enemy you know is always preferable to the enemy you don't know (but go tell that to Sharon).
 
 
Chuckling Duck
19:59 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by autopilot disengaged:

i'd like to see you explain how this is in any way a 'moral' act. they're in a cave. they're surrounded. they ain't going anywhere.


As a hunter might tell us, a wounded animal is the most dangerous. It's not ethical to wound a rabid dog or rogue elephant; they have to be put down.

Similarly, it would be immoral for the USA to declare victory and go home at this point. To decrease its ability to retaliate, to deter other groups from making similar attacks in the future, and to discourage other nations from harboring groups that would take violent action against the USA, Al-Queda has to be eliminated root and branch.

War is a terrible recourse, nearly always worse than the problems it attempts to solve. But there are things worse than war. American slavery was worse; even the bloody hell of the American Civil War wasn't too high a price to be rid of it. The war in Afghanistan hasn't caused a tenth of the human misery, thanks to the USA's imperfect attempts to limit civilian casualties. Since there is a very real possibility that the fall of the Taliban will bring a great improvement in the life of the average Afghani, perhaps the scales will balance to some degree there too. War is both the cause and effect of rapid social change. Like a apocolyptic storm, it is destructive, but growth follows in its wake.

I can admire your undiluted pacifism, but even Gandhi hemmed and hawed when asked if nonviolence could defeat a Hitler. To turn the other cheek against an implacable foe, a Al-Queda, is not only suicidal but immoral, because yours is not the only life at risk.

Wow. Didn't know I had that in me.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
08:47 / 15.12.01
i don't know that i am an 'implacable pacifist' - i mean, i can conceive of situations in which war is the only option - ie. the actions of the massive superpower Germany, during WWII. that i can see.

but, with the combined overkill of the Powell and Bush doctrines... violence seems to be the first choice solution. at least for those rich and powerful regimes that have the bazillions in military hardware to do it.

and we're in danger of forgetting that, despite how things turned out, there were many crossroads during this whole mess that the people in charge could have made different decisions - at least given alternative methods a chance. when the Taleban offered to give bin Laden up (yeah: i know it could have been a ruse, but we'll never know, will we? 'cause our response to an offer that might have made massive military action unnecessary was to engage in - massive military action).

i'm glad the Taleban have fallen. if the US tidies up after itself, doesn't just leave the country in ruins - that will sweeten the pill. but i still believe, despite all the 'successes' the war has scored, this wasn't the right way to do things - far anyone's security.

and the whole scapegoating exercise around the Taleban (who only became the 'enemy' when bin Laden proved difficult to locate) is more than a little hypocritical when all the dictatorial regimes, islamicist or other, that the US props up are, what? the 'good dictators'? the 'friendly dictators'? tha fact is, the reason there's popular sentiment against the US in the MidEast is the denial of democracy. they hate their leaders. they hate the sponsor of their leaders, who bankrolls their repression.

this is no longer about morals or even politics. Bush's wild west mentality has succeeded in simplifying international relations to good v evil. the problem being everyone thinks they're good, that their enemies must be evil.

leaders - especially conservative, powerful leaders, have been given the justification they lacked. so...state terrorism escalates - and so does its opposite. the war on terrorism will generate terrorism on scales we've never seen.

if disempowerment and inequality were the original seeds from which terrorist groups sprang - their necessary lifeblood in legitimating their actions to their countrymen (and therefore drawing in fresh recruits) - such arguments are no longer necessary. now that war has been declared, all bets are off. people who've had their countries bombed, occupied, who've seen civilians of their own faith made an example of etc etc are going to line up to get into the fight.

over in the UK, we've seen the way in which any initial 'reason' for conflict gets swallowed up by the tit-for-tat logic of conflict itself. bush has declared war on a vast swathe of humanity. he has gone into this looking for enemies. and now he's in the process of mass-producing them.

we didn't even try the possibilities offered to us. the union of many countries working together to fight 'terrorism' the way dedicated police forces, who one imagines are the best at this kind of thing, would fight it (and i'm not counting the israelis here) - thru intelligence, infiltration etc. in the wake of 911, there was a very real consensus in the international community, and complete support for the US in apprehending those responsible for sponsoring the attacks. that's gone - maybe forever. what's more, now that the US has broke ranks with many of the treaties and agreements that were supposed to work for the protection of all, the incentive of any to conform to them just disappeared (though, of course, most of the less powerful naions just don't have the option of opting out).

aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhh.

i'm changing the title of the thread to 'the Bush Doctrine' - cause i think that's what we should be discussing. ok.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
16:34 / 15.12.01
oh, and todd - re:Tora Bora:

quote: "Al-Qaida is in one place, they are surrounded and we are fighting them. There is one cave surrounded by my forces. I think Osama bin Laden is there," said Hazarat Ali, one of the main Afghan commanders leading the Tora Bora attack.

"Al-Qaida is finished in Tora Bora. We have them surrounded. They cannot escape."

- as quoted in today's
Guardian
 
 
Sharkgrin
12:26 / 16.12.01
Imperialism. Oh yes. Arrogant. Abso-f---lutely.
Read this from Canada <WARNING - Kinda Long>

GI Joe has never looked better

David Warren
Ottawa Citizen
In a sense, Afghanistan has been a classic colonial war. The United States has been sparing of its own troops, instead taking sides and choosing local allies as its proxies, while using its own incontestable technological superiority for a quick win. The resemblance to the way the British took India in the 18th and 19th centuries -- one tribal patch or princely state at a time -- ends there. The Americans have no long-term plans to rule the place, and are happy to let anyone else send peacekeepers.

This is what the Europeans and Canadians turn out to be good for this time around. We have the equipment, the manpower and the budgets to do sentry duties. (As a retired Canadian officer told me after the federal budget was tabled Monday, "It's all very well for the Americans to spend a fortune on defence, they have to defend the free world from terrorism. We only have to defend our own smugness.")

Except for the most elite British special forces -- a small handful of men -- help would just get in the Yankees' way.
Moreover, the two percent or less of the West's Afghan campaign that was off-loaded on the British (and a few French special forces) was essentially unnecessary. The help was accepted as a political favour, in answer to British and French supplications.

This was probably made clear when the British Defence Secretary, the aptly named Geoff Hoon, told BBC breakfast television on Sunday that if Osama bin Laden fell into British hands, he would not be turned over to the United States for trial -- unless the United Kingdom first received assurances that Osama would not face the death penalty. I would have liked to be a fly on the line when George Bush called Tony Blair about that one. I doubt we'll be hearing anything so unctuous from Mr. Hoon again.

Offers of British and other NATO aircraft were politely declined. They have inferior equipment and pilots, and as the United States learned over Serbia, you can't really fight a war while waiting for 19 different defence ministers to sign off on each target.

What has changed in the past decade, and especially in the past two years (technological developments since the Balkan campaign in 1999 were greater than those between that and
Desert Storm in 1991), is the status of the United States as a military power.

At the beginning of the 1990s, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States emerged as the world's only superpower. Now it has become what the French call a hyperpower. It is not only at the top of the international Top 10 in military spending. It outspends the other nine combined, and can afford to, given the scale of the U.S. economy. Not the British, at the height of their empire, nor even the Romans, contesting with distant Medes and Parthians, enjoyed such military predominance.

And yet, this quantitative comparison actually understates the U.S. advantage. For there is a real qualitative difference, not only in equipment, but in the skills of its troops. The Pentagon made use of the contractions in general manpower through the 1990s, and applied the peace dividend to hone a much more skilled and variously specialized fighting force. The United States does not employ "grunts" any more, only soldiers who call themselves "grunts" with a droll pride.

At the officer level, Europeans visiting the U.S. military academies have been tremendously impressed by what they have seen over the past decade. And one may see this for oneself by visiting the various institutions on the Internet. Unlike his European or Canadian opposite number, the contemporary West Point or Naval War College graduate is familiar with Thucydides, Machiavelli, Clausewitz, Fuller, Liddell Hart -- and with Sun Tzu and Mao Zedong, for that matter.

Nor is it just a showy book-learning, for the courses are designed to make the students apply what they study, consistently and imaginatively, to the circumstances the United States might face today. I have been tremendously impressed to read theses posted on the Net by young cadets who could obviously skate rings around your average politically correct humanities professor.

On the ground level, in Afghanistan, it is increasingly evident that the United States was able to parachute troops who could speak Pashto, Persian, Arabic, Urdu. They needed these both for making contacts with potential allies and for interrogating prisoners who fell into their hands. They could also use translators effectively (this is actually a skill), as well as ride fast horses and put pack mules to work carrying high-tech gear.

A remarkable interview The Washington Post obtained with Capt. Jason Amerine, an injured
member of the U.S. Army's 5th Special Forces Group, on his sickbed in Landstuhl, Germany,
gives some hint of the ground capabilities. This unit went into the mountains of Oruzgan to rendezvous with Hamid Karzai, now Afghanistan's prime minister-designate. They didn't need Pashto because he speaks fluent English.)

In five weeks, this vanguard of fewer than a dozen men, mostly in their mid-twenties, could recruit, organize and (through air drops) equip an Afghan fighting force that liberated the provincial capital, and then marched on Kandahar. They ordered and set up distribution for emergency food and medical supplies for civilians, while calling down airstrikes on a Taliban convoy and other positions, almost in their spare time.

"We could go in there naked with flip-flops, and as long as we have good radios we could do our job," Capt. Amerine said of their survival training. His unit made up for unfamiliarity with the local physical and cultural landscape with a crash course in Pashtun anthropology in the days before going in.

Hunks, yes, but these are nothing like Europe's idea of GIs. Indeed the U.S. Marine general force now camping in the Rigestan Desert are probably up to the special forces calibre of a generation ago.

Technology plays no small part. Some 91% of munitions the United States has dropped in
Afghanistan have been pinpoint targeted -- compared with 6% on Iraq. Even gravity bombs
dropped from B-52s can now be placed within a few metres of the crosshair, thanks to advances in computer calculation.

And yet the garage-workshop spirit is kept alive with the invention of weapons such as the daisy-cutter -- hand-made with old-fashioned welding tools, and perhaps the most awkward-looking 15,000-pound explosive we shall ever see (it resembles the water-tanks on the roofs of old New York City apartment buildings).

The U.S. armed forces are thus not only strong, but extremely adaptable. Yet even this is to understate the U.S. advantage, for it is likely to grow in the coming years.

Before Sept. 11, the U.S. Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was fighting a nearly impossible uphill battle against Congress to transform the whole organizational structure of the U.S. military. His goals are to eliminate unnecessary bureaucracy, replace surviving conventional with many more special forces, and vastly increase the capacity of the military to respond to unexpected threats or recover quickly from unexpected hits. The terrorist strikes on New York and Washington, and his performance since, have vindicated his position, and the Overhaul is proceeding.

The French might have to invent a word for what comes after a hyperpower.


To paraphrase King Mob:
I love Big Brother.
I love George Senior's Hideous Demon-Child.
Merry Anti-Christmas!
Pax Americana!

Kinda scary, izzinit?

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