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The Military's "psychic warrior"

21:20 / 23.08.02

Psy-Ops Warfare

"In 1995, the Pentagon released information regarding Operation Stargate, an ongoing program to explore the capabilities and possible use of psychics in intelligence operation."

"David Morehouse was discharged from the military after refusing to use his psychic powers as a weapon."

"After being shot in the head by a Jordanian M-60 round, Morehouse said he began to experience visions and out-of-body experiences. Not long afterward, he reports that he was enrolled in a secret Pentagon program where he worked as a remote viewer, training to visualize images and information about American military enemies."

Well... it's a pretty light article & I'm not sure how accurate some of the claims are... but I thought I would share.

Harold Washington died for you

05:58 / 24.08.02

Apparently Stargate was a real operation, $20 million real. And, if you believe the stories, it did work, foiling various terrorist plots, finding lost car keys and whatnot. The remote viewer aligns his chi or something and goes into a sort of meditative state, focusing on the objective. The objective is either a person or object anywhere in space and time. He then sees the objective in his mind's eye and hopefully its present surroundings.

If it is very reliable and still goes on it is almost certainly top secret. Could be a scenario where, instead of letting something this juicy get leaked, the government admits the operation and says nothing came of it, like the (in)famous Blue Book.

Check out http://www.trv-psitech.com for the party line. They say anyone can do it with proper training...

11:44 / 25.08.02

The demonstration of trv is quite bizarre.Its not what I was expecting by any means, but I think thats the point.
The trv website is obviously being supported from funds from the million seller video they produced,but I wonder (as you are supposed to) how the 'random numbers' are supposed to induce a cartain kind of consciousness experience -without going into a complete trance.
There are clues though,it would seem that it takes about 15 minutes to 'get over' a trv session and get your mind working again to the point where you can lucidly explain your mental imagery.There is definately a process ongoing during the trv session,but I have my doubt about the externalistaion of information gathering,in that I don't believe that these signals are coming from anywhere except the mind as opposed to the idea of a kooky 'realm' of collective unconscious.
I think they are inducing an attention state focussed on the images in their imagination,but directed based in part,on unconscious signals from their surroundings.

The 'online university' is such a cool utopia except that there is an elitist background radiation in the form of -unwillingness to admit that you could learn the techniques from a book if you were applied enough.Or,there is no possibility of ever spontaneously achieving a complete trv session by accident- doubtful.And that the trv education curriculum is based around the conventional educational models - to a gain credibility, as well as comparisons to the discipline of Kung-Fu.
I wonder what sustains them in this strange endeavor,what activities that really go on behind these wealthy millionaires closed doors,and this notion of mind expansion available to the select few(with 10 grand to spare) who would be willing to join them?
Is there a market for good trv'ers?Assuming the Diploma is worth the paper its printed on,is there a possibility that these people are ex-military?- they seem to imply that they are.

I was thinking about putting a picture on my wall,then asking them to trv to my room and then send me an e-mail telling me what it is,then if they are correct I might start to believe them.After all,surely the burden of proof rests with them?

More info:

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm

13:53 / 26.08.02

Apparently Stargate was a real operation, $20 million real. And, if you believe the stories, it did work,

Given that this was spent by the same people who are spending about a bazillion yankeedollars on missile defense, and reporting success in that where it does not exist, is government investment in something even remotely validating?

Harold Washington died for you

08:02 / 27.08.02

Sure. Even though missile defense is a long way from working (as far as public knowledge is concerned), no one has much problem with it in concept because, according to the laws of physics, it is possible. Military folk are nothing if not conservative, and if they are going to spend that kind of money on psychic spies I figure there must be something there worth investigating.

12:53 / 27.08.02

no one has much problem with it in concept because, according to the laws of physics,

come again?

In military spending terms, $20mil is dick. Spread out over the term of Stargate, $20mil is probably less that the US military spent on marching bands.

16:19 / 27.08.02

President Bush spent 30 million dollars on his inauguration ceremony alone according to the New York Times.
Like ESP,those who set out to prove it are as successful as those who set out to debunk it.
The reasons for Stargate to go under had to do with falling success rates,among other things,and failing to reach certain targets at given dates.Whether remote viewing works or is viable is still open to debate.

09:20 / 28.08.02

a move to the Magick, perhaps?

RV works for me- but it's not like, say, a webcam. I doubt I could map a location I'd RV'ed to. Then again, I'm strictly an amateur, and I measure success differently- I usually only use it when I'm worried about loved ones, but I've also used it in a 'Fantastic Voyage' sense to identify faults within electronic equipment or the human body. Frequently this is very helpful.

Harold Washington died for you

01:14 / 29.08.02

We have seen on all our TVs missiles hitting other missiles and destroying them. I have yet to see a real psychic perform reliably on CNN. First of all budget reports are really really easy to fake. For proof look at Enron, WorldCom, et cetera. Most important is the fact that the stodgy US military endorsed psychic phenomena, basically, in front of the whole world with this Stargate project. Not that government spending is the end and be all, but that the military funded it. 20 mil is chump change for any first world government sure, but it is more than required for a "study" or "proposal."

Closed for Business Time

13:49 / 23.02.07

Bump. MoD hoped psychics could find enemy. Seems like the Brits are in on it too. Not really news as such, tho. Interesting to see this quote - "the study had concluded there was "little value" in using "remote viewing" in the defence of the nation.". Interesting in that it doesn't say "no value".

12:32 / 25.02.07

I read that the CIA's idea for investigating psychic possibilities came about around the time they were randomly dosing employees with LSD in attempt to prepare them for LSD based attack.
Also around this time a significant amount of money was invested into manufacturing a powder which would make Fidel Castro's beard fall out when put on his shoes.
I kid you not.

Kiltartan Cross

12:20 / 26.02.07

Interesting in that it doesn't say "no value".

At the very least, I imagine that if they could convince people that they had some method of psychic viewing which did work, then that deception could have a value.

Closed for Business Time

14:02 / 26.02.07

Ah, there could be a great Switchboard thread in this line of thought - the value of publicising state, military or BBC (Big Bad Corporate) psychic research as a decoy, deterrent or deception.. On a more specific note - anyone know of any articles/docus/books on the history of psychic research during the Cold War? I'm thinking along the lines of Jon Ronson's "The men who stared at goats", but less telly-friendly, more rigorous. Tho I must confess I never read the book, only saw the show.

22:28 / 28.02.07

It may not have much of what you are looking for (although the bibliography may be useful), and hardly gets steller reviews on Amazon, but Imaginary Weapons by Sharon Weinberger may offer something. I haven't read it, but I did hear her discuss it on public radio and my local community station a couple of times last summer/fall. Ostensibly it's about wacky scientific research the Pentagon has paid for, but the reviews seem to say that it's primarily focused (and overly so) on isomer weapons or some such thing (little grenades with a lot of boom). She did discuss psychicy research the couple times I heard her, but I can't vouch for how much her book goes into it.

19:48 / 01.03.07

It's interesting that the psychics approached by the military refused and so they resorted to using 'novice volunteers'. So probably just a few dudes they rounded up from the canteen then. It's not exactly scientific to ask someone who doesn't really have the specific skill to do a test to see if that specific skill works. Is that not a bit like asking someone to drive a car without teaching them how to do it?