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The realities of 'magickal' investigation.

  
 
Kobol Strom
16:54 / 20.08.02

I have recently been doing a lot of divination as part of an investigation surrounding news stories that have appeared in the media.
I have got to the stage where I think that I might be able to confront the police with information ,but this has proven to be a personal difficulty.
There is also the difficulty of being isolated in my beliefs which is an ongoing thing anyway,as well as the pain of having known something was happening ,but not where.
Last month I had a dream in which I was standing in a room full of people,and some of them turned to face me,and for some reason, I was startled into waking.I am pretty sure that they were the ones,that so far,I have failed to help.
I also get premonitions during sleep,about the physical appearances of some of the perpetrators,and as an artist, I have drawn pictures.The result is that the person(s) may turn out to be involved in the case in some way,I don't know yet.and by the time I can veryify them ,it may well be too late.
The question I'm battling with is,How can I help people without turning my presently comfortable life upside down whilst avoiding any sort of public profile?I worry that the police might indict me for involvement due to the inexplicable nature of how I acquire this information-or worse,I turn out to be wrong.
Whats the best way forward,taking into consideration that these so-called 'visions' sometimes create more painful insights.
I can't provide any anecdotes here,because this is an ongoing process, but any advice would be very welcome.
 
 
Papess
16:59 / 20.08.02
Oh Kobol, I must say, I cannot envy your position.

One philosophy suggests that you only help those that ask for help.

Hope that helps you.

May Tricks
 
 
Perfect Tommy
17:14 / 20.08.02
1) Supposedly you can give information to the police anonymously; is that possible here?

2) What about using magick to somehow arrange for your insights to manifest, er, mundanely? (Say, you believe you know what a perpetrator looks like--perhaps you can convince an unknown eyewitness to come forward.) Or even to appear as a premonition/hunch to someone actually working a case?
 
 
illmatic
06:56 / 21.08.02
If your using a divination system, can't this give you an answer to your dilemma?
 
 
Vainamoinen
07:32 / 21.08.02
I don't know what purpose you being given the sights you've had was meant to serve, perhaps you shouldtry to establish that prior. I have vivid dreams while things happen and summarily see them after being reported - mine seem to just be there to make sure I don't get complacent, a reminder the world still exists - while we fight our inner battles not to neglect our outer ones.

-= Vainamoinen an 'tFionn=-
 
 
Rev. Wright
10:00 / 21.08.02
It's very interesting that you write this at this time. I had an experience during the recent hunt for the two missings girls in the UK. I felt I tuned into something, seeing a location of tall overgrown grass/weeds, backed by trees, with the sound of insects. I got the distinct impression that this is where their bodies lay, it happened a week or so into their disappearence. I didn't know what to do or say about what I had perceived, but was ratified by the description of the area where the bodies where actually found, near a forrest, the approach to this was covered in tall wild grass.

I say that you should talk to a medium or clairvoyant, who is already working with a police force. Get some advice and an understanding to how it works.

Don't be too hard on the situation, coming out, in such a way is never going to be easy, but it seems like it is teh right avenue for you to take, so relax. Breathe with it, and keep us posted. Any requests for assistance or advicxe, I'm such will be answered here.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:53 / 21.08.02
I'm not a skeptic when it comes to magic. I've been involved in some strange incidents regarding the act of writing and it's impact on 'reality'.

What i would like to say though rearding your comments Crazy, is that your visions are extremely vague and informed by background information you have been subconsciously exposed to. Okay, i know that magic can work in this manner but don't you think that you were programmed to expect abducted children to end up dead in a countryside location like the one you describe?
 
 
Stone Mirror
13:42 / 21.08.02
How can I help people without turning my presently comfortable life upside down whilst avoiding any sort of public profile?

I don't think you can. In for a penny, in for a pound, I'm afraid.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:12 / 21.08.02
I would suggest passing on information anonymously, as suggested. Be very careful to stay anonymous; it'd be terrible to end up incriminating yourself somehow.
 
 
cusm
16:34 / 21.08.02
Anonymous is good, unless you're up for voulenteering yourself as a "psychic investigator." That could be very rewarding, if you can keep up your rate of success with it enough to gain credibility for it.
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:51 / 21.08.02
My brief tour of the web for news stories that have been solved by psychics has come up rather thin,and the Skeptics Dictionary has a word from the FBI claiming that so far,no missing persons cases have ever been solved by a clairvoyant.So for these reasons, I am happy for the moment to stay under the radar, (and to take the cowards way out), whilst attempting to increase the veracity of my claims.
I don't like the romantic notion of 'psychic investigator',and I won't be upsetting my life ,I've decided.I won't waste police time with my results until I'm absolutely sure, either, as its too dangerous and is open to abuse on both sides.By posting here I am already guilty of attention seeking,but I'm thankful for the responses, I needed them.
What I will do is ramp up my investigations in as obscene way as possible,and then deal with these situations as they arise,and anonymously.I do know, from divination, what to do,but its lacking the courage of my convictions that is the problem (as usual).So, I figure that I still need to learn to deal with these 'visions' ,and that insight is greatly appreciated.Thanks again for your support, and ideas.
 
 
Stone Mirror
21:58 / 21.08.02
What I will do is ramp up my investigations in as obscene way as possible,and then deal with these situations as they arise,and anonymously.I do know, from divination, what to do,but its lacking the courage of my convictions that is the problem (as usual).

I want to just go on record here as saying that this discussion is making me increasingly uncomfortable. I have no idea what action you're contemplating taking, and I don't think I want to know. I would suggest that you're running some serious risks here.

If you're wrong, you could find yourself on the business end of charges of interfering with an ongoing investigation. If you're right, you could very easily come under suspicion yourself.
 
 
Sebastian
01:36 / 22.08.02
The nicest, happiest end for this, at least in my opinion Kobol, would be drop it. Point is crime and murder do raise a lot of energy in the ether, a type of energy which literaly makes me throw up, and every single human being is obsessively attracted to it as to money and gold. It just happens like that, in a so evident manner that is mostly overlooked and rarely exposed, but such events do act as powerful attention magnets, and it is a kind of very morbid attention. I do believe in "gifts" that make information available to people, but focusing in such events and then involving police, relatives and suspects can only drive nuts he who is not already iron-gutted or has absolutey nothing to loose.

Strong, powerful, refreshing attractor energies are also generated in anticipation of great transforming discoveries. This is also easily recognisable, and psychic or magickal activity becomes very evident near the consciousness perimeters of the ground-break. There is a beautifull and intense book about Watson & Crick (I seem to recall it was by Watson himself) that recounts how they progressed towards their 3D double helix DNA model, from weird to weirder and straight into weirdness. I wish I had it here to quote some paragraphs. I was once myself involved in researching a gene postulated to be related to breast cancer. Determining whether it was or not related to the disease was crucial for assessing how to deal with carriers in families who would request either mastectomy or sunk into despair and depression. Believe me I did wish we had a psychic there in mastology that would recommend what to do.

Whatever, on practical grounds, I would say Kobol, why not circulate humble flyers promoting a specific ability of your psychic gift? You could set up a phone line to receive calls, and eventualy to schedule interviews. An acquaintance of mine started like that, advising people of probabilities and chnces in their lives. I think it is healthier and sort of a more suitable ability for training this kin of things, because you can even follow-up with whatever chances you foresaw. Its a good thing.
 
 
Rev. Wright
01:39 / 22.08.02
What i would like to say though rearding your comments Crazy, is that your visions are extremely vague and informed by background information you have been subconsciously exposed to. Okay, i know that magic can work in this manner but don't you think that you were programmed to expect abducted children to end up dead in a countryside location like the one you describe?

Indeed it could be said that it is the case.

But don't be mistaken by the vague nature of my brief descriptive post and know that the investigation was stating that they had reason to believe that they were still alive at the time.
It is only from experiencing and acknowledging positive hits, that a person can distinguish between active imagination or not.
 
 
Kobol Strom
08:05 / 22.08.02
"If you're wrong, you could find yourself on the business end of charges of interfering with an ongoing investigation. If you're right, you could very easily come under suspicion yourself. "

I am already aware of this,and there are numerous reasons that I won't be approaching anyone in the near future until I can be sure of making a difference.
Tuning into these 'negative energies' is not as easy as it sounds, and there are really painful consequences which manifest in one way,speaking personally, as nightmare.Its hard to discern any useful information from proximity to this energy anyway,but I'd be lying if I said I had a choice as to know what I was getting into in the first place.A missing person case could take all kinds of turns,and just dealing with the fact of having seen some events is difficult.
To make clear,it is not completely by choice that I often see things,and by divination,I mean Bibliomancy.Both of these states (of dreams and symbols) involve interpretation.But recently,in the past few months,there have been numerous times where I just see the mundane daily activities that I will soon live through,but at other,slightly more rare occasions, I see other things.Beyond these two states I don't wish to venture further at the moment,but by ramping up my investigations,I mean trying harder to verify my conclusions- and not trying hard to upset anyone.I am not under the impression that being able to predict events is in any way 'cool' or 'hip',but is a curse as well as a boon,you remember the good stuff as well as the bad.I often use these visual premonitions in a more creative way,but the biggest difficulty is realising that in some small way,I could have made a difference but for all the rational reasoning,I didn't.
 
  
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