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Australia's Blackshirts: the dark side of the force

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:19 / 17.08.02
Woah.



"You may have been reading about the Blackshirts, that brave, fine bunch of men who go around demonstrating outside the homes of women they deem to be "sinners" because they dared to get a divorce. They yell at the women through megaphones, harass their neighbours by handing out defamatory information and terrify the local children. The Blackshirts wear a neo-Fascist uniform and cover their faces. That bit is important, so please keep it in mind for the next few paragraphs.

It is well known that the Blackshirts are a group of men who are taking revenge on their ex-wives (and in the process scaring the crap out of the kids they supposedly love so much). What is less well known is that they also have a fair number of the fascists who used to run the neo-nazi bookshop in Sydney Rd. Thought they'd all been run out of town, did you? Nup. That's what the charmers are doing. Anything to put on a uniform and act tough.

Recent articles about the Blackshirt's demonstrations have quoted the spokesman, John Abbott (what IS IT with the Abbott name), as saying that they always inform the police when they are going to have a demonstration, and a policeman was quoted by a witness in a court case in relation to an intervention order against Abbott as saying that the group was "just having a peaceful demonstration"."

Now, it seems to me I've been to a few lawful, peaceful demonstrations over the past few years that the police have managed to turn into unlawful, non-peaceful demonstrations, or at least to arrest some of the demonstrators, through the discovery of archaic laws and by-laws. Does anyone remember at one of the demonstrations, might have been S11 or M1,that demonstrators were told that covering the face in public, or perhaps it was during a demonstration, was illegal? I'm sure I saw something posted on this site about that being used as a reason for arrests. I've scoured the legislation I thought might be relevant, but I can't find anything. It could be a City of Melbourne by-law, in which case it's useless unless they demonstrate in the City of Melbourne, but it would be great to have something to shove under the police noses to get them off their arses and doing something about these sickening cowardly men. And it's clear the police will need a bomb under them, because a lot of them probably agree with the Blackshirts (think how high the divorce rate is in the police force). And if there's a few who are decent people and would like a legal weapon to use against these bastards, well the force they work for isn't going to find it for them.


Very interested by the variety of responses to this over at Indymedia. The big argument seems to be whether there's only a double standard at work within the police, or also within the left-wing/anarchist/activist community. The accusation from some quarters is that this kind of activity is deplored as "fascist" when targeted against single-parent women and their families, but defended or even celebrated when it's aimed at G8 summits, banks, Starbucks, McDonalds, etc, etc. Which seems to me perfectly fair, giving the dispropotions at work in terms of power structure (ie the Blackshirts target a very vulneable sector of society, not the most powerful) - but I do find myself also falling into the "but they're wrong, and anti-capitalists are right!" mindset. Which might be right, but is also pretty problematic, especially if you're trying to decide how an ideal world would respond to various types of what are called 'demonstrations'.

What do people here think?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:29 / 17.08.02
Not sure how relevant this is, but what you're asking reminded me of when I saw Henry Rollins, of all people, doing his talkin' thing, many years ago. He got on to the subject of the Los Angeles riots, after the white policemen were acquitted of beating Rodney King, and as soon as he mentioned that MacDonalds had been trashed, everyone (me included) sat up in their seats, and he said "Well, everyone's thinking 'that's a good thing, right?' Because we all hate MacDonalds. But the people who worked there don't have a job anymore, and they have rent to pay and families to feed."

Some things do seem quite obvious, no arguement: the Australian Blackshirts are wrong. To me they are bullies, pure and simple. The anti-capitalist movement is right, I feel, in terms of principle. But I don't always agree with the tactics. Smashing up a branch of MacDonalds might give a person kudos of a kind. But it won't make the company either go out of business or re-think what it's doing. And the person that does it doesn't suffer any repercussions; their job won't have just gone down the pan. I hate violence, I hate to hear of it/experience it on demonstrations, whoever it's down to. To me, apeing the more heavy handed parts of the State is not the way forward.

My experiences with both the left and, later, the anarchist movement, has often been one of dismay for the macho tactics employed. Being yelled at by a gay anarchist for being 'one of the enemy' - he'd jumped to conclusions and was too wrapped up in his ideology to hear me - just a few weeks ago reminded me why I'm so fucking disillusioned.
 
 
rizla mission
09:55 / 18.08.02
To play devils advocate for a minute, as obviously I don't believe smashing stuff up is the way of the future;

Smashing up a branch of MacDonalds might give a person kudos of a kind. But it won't make the company either go out of business or re-think what it's doing. And the person that does it doesn't suffer any repercussions; their job won't have just gone down the pan.

It could concievably make the company rethink what it's doing - if attacking McDonalds really caught on, if it's branches were under constant threat, it might well have to consider wising up..

And the person who does it might well be putting their job on the line - I don't think many employers would be very happy to see someone who took a day off sick breaking shit on the six o'clock news..

There are far better ways of achieving change of course. Just sayin' is all.

As to the Australian Blackshirts, I don't think it's really gonna take that much ideological soul searching to discover why standing on the street in a large group shouting at a global economic system is legitimate, and standing on the street in a large group shouting at a single mother isn't..
 
 
Fist Fun
13:24 / 18.08.02
As to the Australian Blackshirts, I don't think it's really gonna take that much ideological soul searching to discover why standing on the street in a large group shouting at a global economic system is legitimate, and standing on the street in a large group shouting at a single mother isn't..

Doesn't decision making or political action through violence set up a dangerous and amoral framework? Even if we feel that we are acting in the interest of what is right we are still setting up a structure based on might.

It is better to have framework based on an objective, fairly reasoned concept of right and then when violence is deemed necessary by that framework it would be carried out as a police rather than a vigilante action.
 
 
Bill Posters
18:10 / 18.08.02
SFD, this is a discussion about double-thinking, not machismo, so maybe I'm being thick but I can't see the relevance of your post above. Nor is it remotely accurate, historically-speaking. Moreover, there are those who argue that women would not have achieved what they have done had violence (to property, generally) not been part of First Wave feminism's tactics. So sorry SFD, Riz, and Buk, but I'm gonna have to disagree with this sudden outbreak of fluffiness. The system is already violent, structurally. Using violence against it is not therefore unacceptable or contradictory, nor is it necessarily useless. I don't do it myself, but people like the women in that link who actually have the guts to go to jail for NVDA or VDA will have my respect until my dying day.

But to address the subject of this thread rather than rot it, at the risk of sounding a bit hypercaffeineated (which I am), of course there are fucking double standards on the left. It's the same type of double-think that allows anti-American statements to be accepted here and as soon as an anti-Scottish comment is made, or a white person mentions Brixton, the shit hits the fan and shrill cries of 'wacism' ring out. That's one of many examples. Another would be the speculation in the Indymedia article in question that the police will "probably agree" with the blackshirts because the police divorce rate is high. Duh? Hello? Oh, I see, so, thanks to our resident genius at Melbourne Indymedia, now the police are "probably" misogynists and, kinda by definition, men. Well quite. %I'm sure all cops hate women, their wives especially, and that they don't have any women at all in the Melbourne Police Force. I'm sure Melbourne Police officers don't regularly risk their lives responding to male-on-female domestic violence cases.% Oh and, do we get any back up for that claim that the police divorce rate is "high"? Does this mean high compared the the civilian population, or what?! Seems to me to be a classic us vs. them cognition mingled with a statistical claim which is as unsupported as it is vague. In other words, essence of distilled bullshite.

If the left wasn't full of glaring contradictions it might be more successful. As it is, it's bullshit and we all know it, and the more things change the more they stay the same.
 
 
Fist Fun
18:35 / 18.08.02
The system is already violent, structurally. Using violence against it is not therefore unacceptable or contradictory, nor is it necessarily useless.

You have a group of people who share a political ideal and who are willing to use direct violent action to support that. Is that method inherently flawed or does it depend on the cause?

From the indymedia site:



The difference between S11 and the Blackshirts is that S11 took on the strongest in society -- the 1000 richest coropations in the world (WEF); whereas the Blackshirts take on some of the weakest people -- single women and their children.

One is courageous the other is cowardly.


Which infers that it isn't the actual cause that matters but the level of bravery involved in carrying out the action.

If you can justify carrying out voilent direct action in support of your own political goals then you have a very dubious claim to outrage when others employ the same methods. Unless of course you are right and they are wrong.
 
 
the Fool
22:59 / 18.08.02
Being a Melbournian I'm pretty shocked this group even exists. This is the first time I've heard about this and it sounds appalling. I don't see how a comparison can be made to a 'protest' or 'demonstration'. They are victimising people. I cannot believe it has been allowed to go on at all.

My only thinking is that this is a ploy to generate publicity for their 'cause'. By attacking obviously defenseless people they hope to generate violence. Violence from the police breaking them up, violence from people protesting their actions. This violence gets on the news and in the papers and attracts violent people to the 'cause'.

This could possibly explain why the police don't interfer, it could play into the 'blackshirts' hands by making them appear (at least to themselves) 'victimised'. I'm sure they only warn the police on the day they are doing the 'protest' (hence why they inform the press at the same time) effectively tying the polices' hands. By the time police arrive the protest is probably underway, the only way to stop it would be to use excessive violence, which the blackshirts could use against the police.
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:14 / 19.08.02
they are active in my neighbourhood; our house in on a phone tree for one woman who's had abbott threatening her. the cops are worse than useless on this, and repeatedly refused to help her even though abbott had threatened violence.

i think it's completely absurd to even compare this to political protest. we are talking about a gang of men in paramilitary uniform trying to intimidate individual women in their own homes. the difference from a bunch of hippies yelling shit and playing puppets outside a forum is so fucking obvious it's beyond belief.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:22 / 19.08.02
I may agree with you, Crunchy, but it's obviously not *that* obvious or all replies to this thread would have been like yours. I suppose the next question is, "Why isn't it obvious?"
 
 
Fist Fun
16:57 / 19.08.02
I think it comes down to this. Do you believe this kind of direct action is a legitimate form of protest for everyone? Or is it only ok when you agree with the political point being made?

I'd be interested in the answers to those questions.
 
 
the Fool
23:01 / 19.08.02
I think it comes down to this. Do you believe this kind of direct action is a legitimate form of protest for everyone? Or is it only ok when you agree with the political point being made?

What political point is being made? Its not illegal to have an affair. We don't stone adulterors anymore. If they have a problem with the laws they should protest a courthouse.

They are taking advantage of completely defenseless people to see what they can get away with. Someone they can throw their hate against who can't fight back. Its just so cowardly I want to vomit.
 
 
Fist Fun
06:05 / 20.08.02
I see your point, the Fool, but putting aside the specifics here do you think that everyone should be allowed the right to protest in the way they see fit or is it dependent on the cause?

The reason similarities are being pointed out between the Blackshirts and certain types of protest seems to be quite obvious - they use identical tactics. If we then decide that the Blackshirts are wrong to use such tactics then we must either say that no one should use such tactics or only certain groups should. So who decides and how do they do it?

The Blackshirts are obviously wrong but who defines right?
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:14 / 20.08.02
"Do you believe this kind of direct action is a legitimate form of protest for everyone? Or is it only ok when you agree with the political point being made?"

No, I do not think this is ever a legitimate form of protest, and I cannot even imagine myself agreeing with any political point which could be made by gangs of men trying to intimidate single women.
 
 
Fist Fun
09:44 / 20.08.02
So if you accept that this type of protest is never acceptable regardless of the cause then how can we accept it when it is, as Flyboy put it, "aimed at G8 summits, banks, Starbucks, McDonalds"?
 
 
Loomis
10:52 / 20.08.02
2 quite obvious reasons Buk-

1 - They are protesting an individual at their private residence, not at their place of business. They are being criticized qua individual not qua legal or business entity.

2 - The action being protested against is a personal act and has no bearing on society, thus members of that society have no claim to any legitimate anger. Even if it was permissable to protest a McDonald's executive in their home (which I don't think it is, according to reason 1 above), at least the business decisions that executive has made and which are being criticized are actions which affect the community, and the community needs a voice. Getting divorced does not affect society, and thus the blackshirts' anger at them is personal, which is something the law does not give them a right to pursue in this manner.
 
 
Fist Fun
11:25 / 20.08.02
That makes mucho sense Loomis and I agree with you. I think the interesting point here isn't the Blackshirts themselves (we are all in agreement there) but the way they choose to express themselves through direct violent action.

If we forget the Blackshirts and just think about Group X. A group of people who share political ideals and who are willing to act on them. They decide that direct violent action is a legitimate way to forward these ideals. We know nothing about the politics involved. It could be something we agree or disagree with. Do we allow them to protest as they see fit?

I would say no. If it is wrong for a group that I disagree with to engage in direct violent protest then I would have to extend that principle to a group that I do agree with.
 
 
Loomis
12:03 / 20.08.02
Their ideology is irrelevant, but "direct violent action" can take different forms. You could make an argument to justify it if it is (a) aimed at organizations rather than individuals and (b) aiming to change the law for our society rather than simply criticizing someone, which serves no social benefit.

Don't you think there is a difference between direct violent action against a corporation's headquarters, and direct violent action against an individual in their home? And between direct violent action which aims to change a law, and direct violent action which aims only to criticize an individual's actions?
 
 
Fist Fun
12:42 / 20.08.02
Loomis, it depends doesn't it. An attack on or criticism of an individual can be a very political action. I could imagine a member of royalty or Bill Gates being poked with sharp sticks by men in ridiculous hats could be a political statement/protest against what they represent. It seems that some people feel that the idea of an ex-wife is something they want to take action against. It isn't a personal, individual dispute because outsiders who aren't familiar with the person only the idea of the ex-wife are involved. Not really what I wanted to talk 'bout though.
 
 
the Fool
22:11 / 20.08.02
It isn't a personal, individual dispute because outsiders who aren't familiar with the person only the idea of the ex-wife are involved. Not really what I wanted to talk 'bout though.

But the actual dispute only affects one person. The ex-wife has nothing to do with and no effect on any of the others at the 'protest'. It is a 'personal, individual' dispute, the guy in question just brought his mates around to help him yell at his ex-wife.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
15:07 / 24.08.02
Here's my take on this dynamic:

WEF, WTF demonstrators are demonstrating, as a community of concerned individuals who may not have an immediate, direct stake (but of course a long-term, more civic-minded stake), against multinationals that are deliberately exploitative and proceed with the air of having a right to just about anything they can lay their hands upon and get away with, which these meetings of theirs are more and more about making sure they can get away with it. There are small eruptions of mob rule which think it's a good idea to smash up locally-owned franchises of these MNCs, but these are not officially condoned, and on the whole the demonstrations are more about ideas than actions. The police interfere in this dialogue (or really, two separate monologues) because, as paid enforcers of the status quo, it is perceived to be in their own best interests, in their identity as cops, that the way things are currently arranged be allowed to continue for their own fiscal security.

Blackshirts are demonstrating as individuals disguised as groups, thus while their rhetoric may speak more about the detriment to society that female-initiated divorces (which I'd wager a good majority are), their actions are more about their personal feelings of disempowerment, which they counteract through intimidation that only the bravado a mob mentality affords them. In this case, the official policy is to feed the sense of personal disenfranchisement by telling them that they are victims of a societal pandemic in which the wimminfolk feel free to break up the family unit (ignoring, of course, their own role in bringing the unit to that point), and falling back on marriage as a contract under which the wife is property of the husband (though there is no true exchange anymore, thus that assumption is invalidated) it is therefore the wife who has violated that contract. The police, who more often than not represent "the establishment" which created that dynamic in the first place, may not actively participate in such unpopular behavior, but neither will they prevent it, since they agree with what it stands for.

The politics of victimhood are tricky, and altogether too relied upon in the world. However, what sets one group apart from another is whether the status of victimhood defines their lives, in which case it is often used as a way in which not to approach personal defects or to patly explain away what has gone wrong with their lives without themselves being in that equation. WEF demonstrators are actually preventing themselves from being further victimized, whereas Blackshirts feel they have been victimized already and wish to "even the score" (a horrible meme which pervades history in the belief that somehow avenging history changes history, when in fact it creates more history which the new victims themselves intend to avenge, and so on, and so on...). The politics of victimization are those of the U.S. right now, at least on the surface, which is why there is not a sufficient public outcry (yet) against an unprovoked attack on Iraq. They are the politics of placebo, and the politics of Western medicine (treat the symptoms but not the cause), and I'm beginning to get REALLY FUCKING TIRED of its pervasiveness.
 
  
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