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Latex Clothing Beginners Course

 
 
Bad Horse
12:23 / 15.08.02
I would like the advice of those here on how to go about indulging my new found urge to wear latex.

I am male, heterosexual (convenient label to void protracted discussion of my sexual preferences (I may save this for my next ignorant newb question)) and not exactly what you could term Buff, to say I was slim would be kind, skinny would be more accurate.

I have ruled out the verucca socks from boots (fungal infection of the foot is not the impression I am aiming at) and at the other end I don?t think I am up for a hood of any sort. Where should I start with my latex purchases? Further where would I go to find a purveyor of such garments? Should I take someone with me when I do? Is it acceptable to try on such items or do you have to come prearmed with all your sizes? Is there any etiquette I should be aware of about where and when to wear my new latex clobber? How sweaty am I going to get dancing in leather trousers?

I could really do with some pointers as I am completely repressed. If you do feel the need to describe your own deviant sexual adventures in latex, go ahead I could do with the titillation. I am aware of the vac bed, that?s how my mind started down this road.
 
 
aus
13:02 / 15.08.02
Latex? Start with a latex condom. Remember to clean it at least weekly - top rack of the dishwasher, or with the laundry on the gentle setting with warm wash, cold rinse.
 
 
Bad Horse
13:42 / 15.08.02
Thanks Aus, I already got some of them, circa 1987 and as yet unused but hey who knows.

This is going to be more dificult than I though if I don't wan't a huge rubber protuberance shoved up my behind all the time.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:20 / 15.08.02
Don't know that I was that much into rubber until I happened (somehow...) to try on a surf suit in Regulation off Islington High Street (on sale - big reduction) and fell in love with myself in rubber. Good changing spaces there and very helpful people on the desk.

Not being exactly "buff", as you say, I found the rubber very forgiving. It rearranged everything just enough to make me look less like two small aubergines flailing one another with a spring onion. Wore it that night to a dress code club and felt like sex on a skewer all night.

Even the messy ritual with Johnson's baby powder before insertion of tender fleshly parts into rubber one piece grew on me. Always needed help with the Mr Sheen to gloss me up before I met my public though. Just rinsed off with mild soapy solution (ie used bathwater) between each outing and left to dry thoroughly. Lasted for years...
 
 
sleazenation
14:33 / 15.08.02
how about the pros and cons of pvc vs rubber?
 
 
gravitybitch
14:37 / 15.08.02
I've got a question - is there a preference in powders? Talc vs cornstarch? I would be much inclined to use cornstarch if there are no obvious drawbacks, simply because inhaling the powder is unavoidable (unless you wear a mask!) and inhaling a starch is much easier on the body than inhaling powdered rock (talc may be classed as a suspected carcinogen).

A mask may not be a bad idea in any case - inhaling the powder from latex gloves is the suspected cause for most cases of medical personel developing latex allergies.
 
 
Ganesh
16:13 / 15.08.02
Will write more on this later - but I'll start by recommending you use a good-quality water-based lubricant instead of talc. Easier and less messy to apply...
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
18:27 / 15.08.02
An ex-girlfriend with a taste for rubber used to use silicon spray with her gear.
 
 
Bad Horse
21:20 / 15.08.02
Don't think a trip to Islington High Street is in the offing but ta for the insight. I had noticed some stuff about lubricant instead of powder but who am I to advise.

I am planning an expedition tomorrow lunch time to check out some gear. I am taking a friend for moral support and taste advice, she is the person most likely to indulge, least likely to criticise.

More questions for the experienced. Is this current desire for latex/rubber likely to be a sexual thing, a fashion statement or something else? I don't have it tied down in my mind. How do you go about discussing this with your partner when she sees it as a symptom of deviancy and probable homosexual tendencies bubbling to the surface? Do I calm it because she is uncomfortable, blunder on regardless or closet myself?
 
 
Ganesh
22:43 / 15.08.02
I like rubber (and I like ZoCher in rubber) but leather's more my primary fetish. Having said that, I'm familiar with most of the larger mens' fetish outlets in London - nearly all of which sell via mail order or online.

Regulation is the place in Islington. It's fairly non-intimidating for a fetish shop; tucked up a side-street but relatively large, airy, light. Friendly, helpful staff and a wi-i-ide range of gear, everything from basic latex shorts and singlets to scary-looking rubber straitjackets and bodybags. Averagely-priced and particularly good sales - I bought a rubber t-shirt and *ahem* cod-piece shorts here.

Expectations feels more subterranean, somehow, but similarly approachable staff. Slightly cheaper than Regulation but rubber seems flimsier, and range is limited. Good for oddities, though - like their latex-hooded gasmasks.

The House of Subversive Thought in Vauxhall is a tiny outlet but sells a nice selection of pricey but fabulous pieces you won't find anywhere else. I particularly like their HOSTile range of padded latex bike jackets and suits - but can't quite bring myself to indulge. Yet.

Clone Zone is, to my mind, overpriced for what it is: slightly shoddily-made, standard stuff. At least the shop's easy to find, in the middle of Old Compton Street.

Those are pretty much the only places I can recommend personally. A few others I've heard good things about:

Bob's Rubberwear is mail-order only, and has a waiting list but is apparently extre-e-emely good value.

Skin Two is probably the UK's biggest supplier of male and female fetishgear - you might've seen their magazine (often sold in Forbidden Planet)? Dunno much about it.

The splendidly-monickered House of Harlot is another manufacturer of (what looks like) mainly female, fashion-orientated gear. Basically for display rather than pervery, I think, but very nice.

And then there's good old Camden Market, which seems to boast a variety of fetish outlets.

What to wear on/in the rubber? Well, silicone spray is for the outside: it's there to give a pleasing shine (after you've buffed and polished, naturally). Mr Sheen does the same thing but makes you smell like your mother's living room. Water-based lubricant works well inside, and avoids those annoying white streaks of talc...

Why's rubber such a "current" favourite? I'm not sure that it is, particularly, y'know. It's always had its devotees and I think fetish-themed clothing in general has been creeping out of the closet in the last decade or so - thanks to its use in numerous films, adverts and music videos (David Beckham apparently fell in love with his scrawny wife when he saw her in full latex catsuit in the Spice Girls' 'Say You'll Be There' video, the perv!) Like leather, it'll always have some fetish/SM connotations, but the majority of people wearing both materials probably do so for fashion/sensual reasons.

How to talk to your partner about it? Well, that's the biggie, innit? I don't really know enough about your situation to advise (do you fantasise about you, her or both of you in rubber?) but generally speaking, I'd recommend finding a reasonably 'classy' rubber-orientated fetish magazine - like the aforementioned 'Skin Two' - leave it lying around for her to find, then say (honestly) that you picked it up (in Forbidden Planet or even Borders) out of curiosity because you found some of the images interesting. You'll at least be able to gauge her reaction; if she's also interested, you could say vaguely encouraging stuff about how good she'd look in this or that dress... and how you'd really like to try this, that or the other.

She may well not be into it at all. I'd approach with caution rather than "blundering"...
 
 
Mr Tricks
00:22 / 16.08.02
As Always....

Wise words from the Remover of Obsticles!!!
 
 
aus
01:44 / 16.08.02
"larger mens' fetish outlets"?

For larger men?
 
 
Bad Horse
07:22 / 16.08.02
If this was an exercise in getting more sexual attention from my wife then it has paid off big style! She implicitly states she is not into to it but I have a feeling she may come round if I leave the subject alone for a while. I have never had rubber themed sex fantasies before but the more I think on...

I don't really see this as a big issue, for goodness sake it is only clothes, but other people seem to. Checked some of those sites thanks Ganesh, they do seem to have exactly what I am looking for without the in your face up front bondage connotation, they sell it but don't rub your nose in it. Might wait for Bob's order list to clear down as that seems to be the right angle at a good price.
Still worried that I don't look anything like the people in those pictures though.
 
 
Ganesh
07:42 / 16.08.02
Around 90% of the population don't look like the people in those pictures. That's the least of your worries.
 
 
Ganesh
12:02 / 16.08.02
Returning to this...

It's good that you've broached the subject with your wife (I'd be interested to know how you worded it) but I do think you need to recognise that, for many, it's more than "just clothes". If one doesn't share a sensual curiosity about rubber, the images evoked can be unsettling and even frightening. It's difficult to manufacture an interest in other people's fetishes, and it wouldn't surprise me, Feature, if your wife's slightly anxious about somehow 'losing' you - or perhaps feeling a little hurt/insecure and wondering why you 'need' the added titillation of a new fetish. If I were you, I'd take time to reassure her that your new 'interest' doesn't mean you're any less attracted to her.

I still think it'd be a good idea to buy a copy of 'Skin Two' and leave it sitting around the house for her to peruse at her leisure. Since it's overwhelmingly full of photos of women in gorgeous latex outfits, it should at least reassure her that this isn't a male-only phenomenon and it doesn't mean you're 'turning gay' on her...

Most of all, I think you need to have a think about your interest, where it came from and what you want out of it. Be as scrupulously honest with yourself as you can. What's the attraction of rubber for you? What do you want to do with it? Do you want to wear it for sex, for masturbation, in public (openly or under your 'normal' clothes) or are you happy just wearing it on your own in private? Do you want your wife to wear rubber too? Do you want to meet other people who share your fetish, socialise in the gear? You've expressed apprehension at the "in your face up front bondage connotation" but you're interested in the idea of vac racks: do you secretly want to be trapped in rubber?

Don't panic, and don't try to answer this all straightaway. Have a look around some of the sites above and check out their links. See which ideas and images appeal to you - and get back to me (here or via Private Message) if you want to ask questions, discuss stuff or be pointed in the direction of any other online resources.

All the best!
 
 
Bad Horse
13:24 / 16.08.02
"Around 90% of the population don't look like the people in those pictures" I'm disappointed, I was forming a clear mental image of you and now I'll have to start over.

As per your advice I can't answer most of that yet Ganesh.

The appeal of latex in an indirect way is as simple as novelty. I enjoy new experiences and particularly like playing with the way I look and dress. If I can dress outside the norm without looking like I belong to some group or sect then I will. I suppose it is attention seeking but it makes me feel good and I don't really care if it makes me more or less attractive to anyone else.

In a direct way I like the look and feel of latex as a material in it's stretchy tight form or as soft molded articles. I have only really encountered it in industrial applications but then it also had a distinct smell which I'm not sure is present in clothing.

I am shocked by people?s reaction to the very idea of latex clothing but have encountered this reaction before as regards my dress. I am annoyed at some of the unsubtle bondage marketing of it as I think this only helps enforce the negative reaction.

I think what I said about the vac bed was that I could see the appeal of it, tactile stretchy fun, but couldn't see a practical way I could participate, no where near being up for total submission to anyone.
 
 
Ganesh
13:42 / 16.08.02
I know what you mean about the "unsubtle bondage marketing" but it's important to remember that people who're into rubber/latex for bondage reasons (myself, say) aren't actually wrong. In fetish circles, there's a depressing tendency for groups of people to bond through the exclusion of another group which they perceive and characterise as 'too extreme' or 'creating a bad impression' - y'know, that whole self-justifying 'what we're doing is fine but look at them, they're real weirdos' argument. Not saying you're doing this, Feature, but it's an easy logical trap to fall into.

Like it or not, certain materials and items of clothing (if not all items of clothing) do have unconscious associations and 'power' - that's what makes it fetish, after all. If the slightly exhibitionistic "attention seeking" element is part of rubber's appeal for you, you need to accept that some individuals will react in more extreme ways than others...
 
 
Bad Horse
13:49 / 16.08.02
What I'm saying is I know your having all sorts of squeaky rubber fun but keep the noise down as I am trying to tell my wife that thats not all there is.

I think my cowboy boots and stetson had a certain amount sexual baggage.
 
 
Ganesh
13:51 / 16.08.02
Absolutely - now all you need are the chaps...

I'd go for the 'Skin Two' option. It's very 'light'.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:58 / 16.08.02
(threadrot, but just wondering if Ganesh is on commission from Skin Two)
 
 
Ganesh
14:01 / 16.08.02
Hehehehh, no. Just strikes me that the reasons why the mag irritates me (too glossy, too 'fashiony', too many photos of women in latex dresses, not enough male bondage) would probably work well for Undocumented Feature and Mrs Feature.
 
 
Bad Horse
15:06 / 16.08.02
Had a look at Skin Two, might be too racy for Mrs Feature. Has anyone got any pictures of innocuous pieces of latex in use around the home, latex tea cozy? Latex doily? Perhaps matching latex bath mat and toilet drip catcher (what do you call those?)?
 
 
Ganesh
15:36 / 16.08.02
So... you're looking for a sort of rubberist 'World of Interiors'?
 
 
grant
19:12 / 16.08.02
you could always try...

 
 
Ganesh
16:44 / 28.08.02
Stumbled across this, Feature, and thought of you. It's an interesting review of most of London's fetish retailers (including the 'heavier' gay male ones) by a woman. She provides an interestingly fresh perspective on the likes of Regulation, Expectations, etc.

Any further forward with your own purchases?
 
 
Sardon
18:56 / 06.04.04
Prices are far better online than in any stores. Even Ebay has good items to choose from, at up to 50% off.

Love masks as well.
 
 
Ganesh
21:39 / 06.04.04
Mmm, but with eBay, y'just don't know where it's been...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:41 / 06.04.04
Well, seeing as this has popped up again, am still not a massive latex/pvc/rubber person, but realising that's to a great degree to do with quality/style. I don't find badly made fetish gear sexy. on me or anyone else. same goes for clothes in general really. if yr going to wear tailored clothes, they'd better be well done.

But am hugely persuaded, having today been introduced to Ectomorph
Basically, beautifully designed/tailored clothes that are mainly made in latex/rubber. Wonderful cut/colour/styling/finishing/tailoring. Featured in Elle, Vogue, Skin Two etc. The finishing (of the stuff she had, anyway) was fantastic.

mmm.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:45 / 06.04.04
yeah, would be tres squicky about 2nd hand fetish gear.

mind you, if it's pvc/silicone. sterilising is easy...
 
 
Ganesh
22:58 / 06.04.04
Yeah, Ectomorph is nice (the very first rubber garment I ever bought - way back when I was an ectomorph - was one of their surfsuits). Tend toward more traditional tailoring ie. making well-cut, seamed stuff out of rubber and PU - which may or may not be your thing (I know a lot of people like rubber more for the 'skin-tight' thing). Good quality, though.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:12 / 06.04.04
a looooong time ago, then.

yes, it was mainly the tailoring fetishist in me that got all exciting looking at Ectomorph gear.... had a loong chat with the woman in the shop about how the tailoring was very like period stuff, double-stiched/faced, very well-made.

As i say, it's pretty much the first time I've seen latex gear that i'd actually want to try on, and I'm well aware of how well it shapes/looks, but if something looks cheap 'n nasty on a hanger, I'm unlikely to want to pick it up. I think it looks to me like a slightly different approach to fetishwear, ie that part of the fetish can be the glorious tailoring....
 
 
Ganesh
23:28 / 06.04.04
Oh absolutely. I like that whole latex/tailoring crossover too.

And yes, this was back when the planet was still cooling...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:08 / 07.04.04
On the fetish-tailoring crossover. This place, from whom I will buy a bespoke suit once in my lifetime, do a full line of corsetry tailoring.

Woman in fetish shop showed us pix of a male workmate who'd bought a charcoal pure wool pinstripe bespoke 1920's 3-piece suit with a corset waistcoat.

Absolutely fucking beautiful. Soooooo sexy.
 
 
Ganesh
00:14 / 07.04.04
I've also seen some nice mens' suits in pinstripe rubber...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:18 / 07.04.04
yeah, me too. There was actually a beautiful Ecto pinstripe rubber suit in the shop this afternoon. I *am* officially in love.
 
  
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