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Define "dry humor"

 
 
Rage
06:25 / 06.08.02
What is "dry humor?"

I'm having trouble defing it, yet I met someone last night who personified it. I couldn't quite place my finger on what it was that made his humor so dry, but damn!
 
 
Sax
08:58 / 06.08.02
An example of dry humour:

Two men are lost in the desert, dying of thirst. They are full of joy to see a small encampment over the next dune. They rush to the first tent and beg for water, but the nomad there says: "I am sorry, I have no water, only sponge cake."

In desperation they try the next tent, but the man shakes his head sadly. "I have no water, just raspberry jelly."

They try the final tent, but again no luck. The nomad living there says: "I have no water, just cream."

The two men decide to press on through the desert. As they crawl over the dune, the first man says: "How strange, finding those nomads selling those odd items in the middle of the desert."

"Yes," agrees his friend. "It was a trifle bazaar, wasn't it?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:31 / 06.08.02
...of course, the element that makes that joke "dry" is the desert.
 
 
Sax
09:33 / 06.08.02
Taa-Daaaaa!
 
 
sleazenation
09:45 / 06.08.02
surely the thing that makes it dry is the dessert...
 
 
Saveloy
09:48 / 06.08.02
Depends on the relative mix of sponge (dry) to jelly and cream (wet). I notice that no mention was made of sherry; a shame, because we could have got some hilarious mileage out of that.
 
 
angel
11:52 / 06.08.02
Whilst you boys are having a wonderful time riffing onwards and upwards on trifling matters, hows abouts answering Rage's question, eh?
 
 
Trijhaos
12:01 / 06.08.02
Dry humor- marked by matter-of-fact, ironic, or terse manner of expression .
 
 
Cavatina
12:10 / 06.08.02
Well, I've always thought that to call humour 'dry' is to comment on the manner of its delivery - which is detached, impersonal, deadpan or unemotional.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:14 / 06.08.02
Gleaned from various dictionary definitions of "dry":

Having an element of detachment, lack of bias or personal concern.
Lacking tenderness, warmth, or involvement; severe.
Matter-of-fact or indifferent in manner.
Sarcastic in a shrewd, impersonal way.

So: above it all, calling it as s/he sees it without filters of attachment (for either good or ill—dry humor is without either malice or goodwill), unsentimental, delivering critique on the foibles of others (or oneself) in a nonchalant, deadpan manner. Amused by the human condition.

Or, put more pithily: Given the choice between amusement and anger, the dry wit will go for the laugh.
 
 
Sax
12:21 / 06.08.02
Sarcastic, cynical, ironical, sly, reckons the creaky old Cassell Giant Parperback Dic by my desk.
 
 
Cavatina
12:29 / 06.08.02
Sarcastic and ironic it can be, yeah, provided that there's no hint of bitterness - otherwise it's wry rather than dry, eh?
 
 
Loomis
12:55 / 06.08.02
What if they were being intentionally mischievious in their usage, in which case you might say they were being sly ...
 
 
Persephone
13:03 / 06.08.02
It's dry as opposed to sweet, isn't it? As in a dry martini? Not sweet but not bitter.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:03 / 06.08.02
Whilst you boys are having a wonderful time riffing onwards and upwards on trifling matters, hows abouts answering Rage's question, eh?

We are. My post above was an example of a "dry rejoinder". Another example might be my response to sttab's insistence that Lloyd George steered Britain to a path of appeasement in the late 1930s, stating that if he did so, it must have been by mind control. The point being that dry humour is generally context-specific; it subsists within a comment's response to the maker of that comment's environment. The key element is often but by no means always litotes (constructive understatement), wordplay or the juxtaposition of jarring responses; thus, a response that treats a minor problem as insurmountable and one that treats a bagatelle as a Homeric epic may both be dry, depending on the tone, which should be disengaged. A "dry" wit works best in "damp" (ie emotionally charged) situations, often at the expense of attempts to take either the situation or someone involved in it seriously.

Americans tend to point to Frasier as the exemplar of "dry humour", which is actually more like farce with elements of the comedy of manners, or Blackadder, which is of course simply a series of prescripted snarks fitted into a plotline. A better example, if because more naturalistic in a funny sort of way, might be Oz in Buffy, whose dry humour is expressed through a totally context-free approach; he refuses (or attempts so to do) to treat the gravity of a situation as relevant to the nature of his response.

Ah. Everyone's said that, then.
 
 
Cavatina
13:09 / 06.08.02
But Tannhauser, when is humour - of any sort - *not* context specific? This is not a defining characteristic of it.
 
 
Saveloy
13:19 / 06.08.02
(butting in) Not by itself, but it's the coupling of that with a particular style of delivery that makes it dry. The driest of humourous exchanges is indistinguishable from a dull conversation.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:23 / 06.08.02
But Tannhauser, when is humour - of any sort - *not* context specific? This is not a defining characteristic of it.

I beg to differ. A one-liner or funny story depends not on the context in which it is told, outside certain fairly obvious provisos (a shared language and often shared cultural assumptions, say), depends on the capacity of the comic to create an internally consistent universe within the course of that joke. Therefore, for example, Stephen Wright's humour is not exceptionally dry, although a man who went through life behaving as the characters in many of his monologues do might well stray into dry humour. In general, I would suggest that an interlocutor and a shared context contingent upon both interlocutor and "dry wit" and the subject of that wit is required.

Thus:

q. What's brown and sticky.
a. A stick.

is as funny in a mangrove as it would be on Mars, so long as q and a both understand the ideas of brown, sticky and "stick".

Q. What if you're wrong?
A. Then you can say I told you so, as long as you do it very loud and very fast.

Makes sense only if the Liberator is horribly endangered.
 
 
Persephone
13:56 / 06.08.02
The driest of humourous exchanges is indistinguishable from a dull conversation.

Ooh, good one.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:51 / 06.08.02
Dry humor is also thought of as subtle humor, in such a way that if you aren't paying attention, you not only don't get the joke, you don't know the joke was told. Rather than the example of "Frasier" I would point to the stand up comedy of Stephen Wright or Mitch Hedridge.

The best "dry humor" example I have is:

The First Lady has discovered a new form of birth control. Every night before going to bed, she gives the President a stick of chewing gum.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:02 / 06.08.02
You know, it's a terrible shame that more Americans don't holiday in the Thames Valley...
 
 
Ganesh
17:28 / 06.08.02
It's meeting the man of your dreams - and then meeting his bee-yoo-tiful wife.

Oh hang on, no. That's irony.

A black fly in your Chardonnay, then? Fly humour?
 
 
Persephone
19:27 / 06.08.02
You know, it's a terrible shame that more Americans don't holiday in the Thames Valley...

Villain.
 
 
Cavatina
07:23 / 07.08.02
I beg to differ. A one-liner or funny story depends not on the context in which it is told, outside certain fairly obvious provisos (a shared language and often shared cultural assumptions, say), depends on the capacity of the comic to create an internally consistent universe within the course of that joke. Tannhauser

I'm looking at this, Tannhauser, and finding it difficult to see just what it is that you are begging to differ about.

First, you downplay the importance of the extra-textual context of any joke (the arguably vital access to a shared language and cultural assumptions/knowledge by speaker/writer and listener/reader), and then you foreground the importance of the creation, for the joke to work, of an accessible intra-textual context (in your words, 'an internally consistent universe') by the speaker/writer or comic.

The point is that both *are contexts* needed for the joke's reception. On any occasion, even the simplest communication depends on complex interpretative processes that in turn depend on various kinds of framing or recognitions of context.

But the contexts of a joke's/text's reception are also variable, given all the situational factors affecting interpretation: socio-cultural circumstances, institutional settings, proximity of the text to other texts, the class, gender and race of the interpreter and so on. The much feted 'iterability of the word' depends on this.

So, to sum up, specific contexts are as important to the communication of dry humour as to the communication of any text, but they don't in themselves define the text type. A joke/text doesn't have a single meaning determined by a single context; given the interplay of different framings of it, the text's contexts and hence meanings are multiple.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:55 / 07.08.02
And thus a consistent universe of linguistic and at times cultural comprehension is required by the one-liner and the dry retort. External events are not required as reaction points for the one-liner. The humorous story (and, for that matter, the situation comedy) occupies an interstitial space in which an "extra-textual context" (your terminology) is simulated.

I'm not sure I understand the idea of an extra-textual context, mind you. There's something outside text?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:38 / 07.08.02
Dry humour is the stuff said with a straight face which smacks you like a funny train almost a heartbeat too late.
 
 
Rev. Orr
11:43 / 07.08.02
Dry humour is a well crafted bon mot that it doesn't take you 24 hours to come up with.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
23:52 / 08.08.02
It's like dry humping until you dry heave.
 
 
GreatForm
00:09 / 09.08.02
Nick:
Dry humour is the stuff said with a straight face which smacks you like a funny train almost a heartbeat too late.


I think someone has it.
 
  
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