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Legal Marijuana in our lifetime?

 
 
I, Libertine
15:53 / 02.08.02
from the New York Times, 8/2/02:

Nevadans Weigh Proposal to Make Marijuana Legal
By MICHAEL JANOFSKY


AS VEGAS, July 30 — After voting two years ago to ease state drug laws, Nevada voters could go even further this year, making their state the first to legalize marijuana and derive taxes from a regulated sales system.

It is a stunning possibility in a state where possession of more than one ounce of marijuana is still a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison, and possession of less than an ounce remains a misdemeanor that carries a $650 fine.

Yet the November ballot initiative follows two major changes in 2000 that seemed to reflect shifting sentiments in Nevada toward marijuana. Voters approved a measure to allow the use of marijuana for medical reasons. As part of the language to codify the measure, lawmakers reduced penalties for possessing less than an ounce of marijuana.

The combination made Nevada one of the nine states that have allowed legal access to the drug for patients with a doctor's prescription and one of the 12 that have eased penalties for some offenses.

But the new initiative would catapult Nevada to the forefront of all states reconsidering their approach to drug laws.

It would eliminate penalties for possessing up to three ounces of marijuana for any reason and would direct the Legislature to treat marijuana much like tobacco products and alcohol, regulating it through a system that would oversee how it is grown, distributed and sold, generating tax revenue in the process.

"This is a landmark initiative that seeks more than what any state has accomplished so far," said R. Keith Stroup, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, a nonprofit group working to reduce state and federal penalties for marijuana use.

Mr. Stroup cautioned, however, that the Nevada effort might be too ambitious to succeed.

While states have reduced penalties for some marijuana offenses without interference from the federal government, he said any measure that put a state in the drug business would violate federal law and draw a challenge from the Justice Department.

In general, when state law conflicts with federal law, the federal law takes precedence, giving federal prosecutors the discretion to pursue a case or not. A state-regulated drug operation, Mr. Stroup said, would be too much for the federal government to ignore.

"It is highly unlikely the federal government would allow a state to create a legal market for the sale of drugs in which the state licenses the sale or sets up stores to sell it," he said. "But what it would do is place enormous pressure on Congress to take a rational look at the nation's drug laws.

"As we begin to get more and more states considering legalization, it will be impossible for Congress to stand in their way."

Last week, the House of Representatives took a step in that direction when a bipartisan bill was introduced to allow all states to approve medical marijuana, thus eliminating any conflict with federal law. Passage of the measure is considered a long shot, but the 36 sponsors reflect a wide political range, from Representative Barney Frank, a liberal Democrat from Massachusetts, to Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a conservative Republican from California.

Besides Nevada, eight other states — Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Oregon and Washington — have passed exemptions since 1996 to allow patients with a doctor's prescription to use marijuana to relieve pain and discomfort.

Arizona has initiatives on the November ballot to reduce possession penalities. Other jurisdictions also have fall ballot measures, including the District of Columbia, with a medical marijuana proposal, and the City of San Francisco, with a plan for the city to grow and distribute the drug for patients living there. Ohio and Michigan have initiatives that would provide treatment instead of imprisonment for some drug users.

But nothing appears to be as far-reaching as Nevada's effort, which can only become law through a state constitutional amendment by voters this year and in 2004. The medical marijuana measure here passed with 59 percent of the vote in 1998 and with 65 percent in 2000.

Organizers of the campaign that put the current initiative on the November ballot, Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement, are selling it strictly as a law enforcement issue. As Billy Rogers, campaign manager for the effort, said, "Most Nevadans think it is a waste of taxpayers' money to arrest people for small amounts of marijuana when the time could be better spent arresting murderers and rapists."

Whether or not that means "most" Nevada voters would favor the new measure, it has generated an unusually high level of support for such a controversial issue. A recent poll by The Las Vegas Review-Journal, the state's largest newspaper, found that 44 percent of voters favored the initiative, 46 percent opposed it and 10 percent were undecided. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

In addition, The Review-Journal endorsed the idea in a July 7 editorial, calling it "a promising first step" toward ending "the needless harassment of individuals who peacefully and privately use marijuana."

Perhaps mindful of the poll results, none of Nevada's leading political figures, including Gov. Kenny Guinn, a Republican seeking re-election this fall, has openly opposed the idea.

So far, the most outspoken critics have been two recent visitors from Washington — Asa Hutchinson, chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration, and John Walters, head of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Mr. Walters warned that passage could make Nevada "a vacation spot for drug traffickers," but said, "I don't believe you'd see federal officials coming in to enforce possession laws."

The proposal includes what organizers describe as safeguards, like prohibitions against advertising, selling marijuana to anyone under 21, or selling it in any public place like schools and parks.

"This allows law enforcement to go after people who truly act irresponsibly," he said. "People who smoke marijuana are otherwise law-abiding citizens who shouldn't be arrested. They are not endangering society."

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High hopes or a sign of things to come?
 
 
Naked Flame
18:22 / 02.08.02
Ooooh.

Three or four years ago I would have felt obliged to whoop with joy and move to Vegas.

Now... not so sure. I've been reconsidering my attitude to doobie over the last couple of years. Looking at the situation in Lambeth (ok, it's not Nevada but hey...) it seems to me that one region decriminalising or legalising could just create problems, 'drug tourism' being one of 'em. I know sweet FA about US law, but doesn't this create a bit of a trap for people in terms of breaking federal law?

On the other hand, looking at larger areas gives me some cause for hope- like when, faced with the relaxtion of drug laws in neighbouring European countries, Germany (and France IIRC) decided to just fucking relax and let people do their thing in peace. There's the potential for a knock-on effect.

Hell, anything that erases a victimless 'crime' from the statute books has got to be a pretty good thing. Create a thousand laws, and you need a thousand prisons, and so on.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
20:13 / 02.08.02
Decriminalization was also recently discussed in Vermont, where it was almost passed, and in Boston, where it was more of a joke. Still, it is important to note that law makers are at least willing to look at it.
 
 
Baz Auckland
20:05 / 04.08.02
In today's Globe and Mail, there's an article about 2 Americans who are applying for refugee status in Canada because of the drug laws. The guy in question says that the US government is giving him a death sentence for prohibiting him from growing marijuana. Full article here

"Shortly after he was diagnosed with cancer, an old college friend, Richard Marin (also known as Cheech of the
pot-smoking Cheech and Chong comedy duo) suggested he try marijuana to ease his discomfort. It worked.

Mr. Kubby says cannabis prevents his blood pressure from skyrocketing and keeps his tumours from spreading. His
claims are backed by written testimonials from U.S. and Canadian specialists. But Mr. Kubby said his need for
marijuana made him a target in the United States, where authorities are bent on maintaining zero tolerance for drug
use.

It also turned him into a fugitive, and now he and his family are seeking political asylum in Canada.

Mr. Kubby is not alone. Three other Americans have made refugee claims in recent months. As Canada moves
toward liberalizing its marijuana laws, some observers predict the cases could prompt a flood of similar claims from
the United States."
 
 
Turk
04:02 / 05.08.02
"This allows law enforcement to go after people who truly act irresponsibly,"

Presumably by also revising drug-driving laws and cracking down on folks who drive while high. Something which is a growing deadly menace to society, in Britain and the States.
 
 
cusm
16:24 / 05.08.02
If you get the chance, check out this Stossel report aired July 30th on ABC, on prime time network tv by a respected journalist. The report comes right out and says that the War On Drugs has failed, and makes some rather strong suggestions on decriminalization. I especially like the police officer from Amsterdam who explains that they don't have any problems with pot, since they've effectively made it boring by making it legal. Over half of the hash bars' business is American tourists.

It is becomming more widely understood that Pot prohibition is senseless. I think we may well see it legalized in our lifetime. Yay Education!
 
 
grant
17:21 / 08.08.07
Schwarzenegger gets an offer he might not be able to refuse: Let us pay your taxes.

California is in trouble (again) with its budget. As this is written (August, 2007), there are plans to cut one billion dollars from important rapid transit projects. There are also plans to cut back welfare for the elderly and disabled and to cut back drug treatment programs for prisoners. Cutting back on important programs will simply cause more problems in the future -- with higher demands on the budget.

In order to try to make up the shortfall, the state of California is in negotiations with Indian casinos for a portion of casino revenues. The amount of money to be gained is between $200 million and $500 million per year. However, this battle has been going on for years with no quick resolution in sight -- and it wouldn't fill the budget gap, anyway.

We offer a solution.

The producers and sellers of marijuana offer the state of California at least one billion dollars in additional tax revenue every year -- and nobody is arguing.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
18:56 / 10.08.07
Comment by Anonymous from the above link.

"it has been said before that the only thing that could lead to the decriminalization of cannabis was a severe financial crisis. the government can only ignore the lost profit from taxes and the wasted money for prosecution and incarceration of cannabis users."

Does it annoy anyone else that these arguments are placed side by side? Does this not just imply that it would be better to spend the cannabis tax revenue on more methods of correction of the drug problem that work in ways to perpetuate the overflow of prisons and corrections services? Fiscal allowance for education that addresses the root of why cannabis is a problem for some people (as it does tend to be in some ways), does more to inform people about the dangers of ANY unregulated drug use, whether in the form of taxes or statutes.

The second point about the government "ignoring" the problems with the legality of certain drugs sort of misses a large point. That sometimes the government is irrational to the point of allowing arguments such as "financial crisis are going to compell governments to listen" in spite of years of funding being tubed to a federal system of criminality that is simply broken.
 
 
Zophiel
22:10 / 11.08.07
Just for the record, I live in Vegas and I've heard about our medical marijuana program just once. Unlike, say, San Francisco its all kept very under the table. I'll be checking into it in the near future, though. Nevada's government is often dysfunctional, so the letter of the law may not be the way it really works. I'll share when I find.
 
  
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