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A scorpion dreaming...

 
 
Panda
23:31 / 27.07.02
A simple question. How do I find out what type of 'animal dreaming' I am, as the Aborigines would put it.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:36 / 28.07.02
Hmm... How did KM find out his?
 
 
Ganesh
03:56 / 28.07.02
Took some drugs and pissed around under Uluru, t'would appear.
 
 
Stone Mirror
03:57 / 28.07.02
Ow!

Typically, I think one would go out into the wilderness, probably fasting, possibly entheogen-ified, on a vision quest for a number of days. One would be "found" by one's totem, possibly taught a song, or a story, and then one would wander back to one's village, or be retrieved by the elders.

Of course, none of us were brought up in a culture which would foster this. I think you have to find your own way on this.

Here's a possible hint, though. Have you read about Robert Anton Wilson's "quarter experiment"? In Prometheus Unbound, he suggests you walk around all day for a month, expecting to find a quarter. At the end of the month, see how many quarters you've found.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
06:35 / 28.07.02
Ah, I just checked my tpb of the Cannon. KM got his dreaming by walking backwards on a cliff while blindfolded. He then got stung by a scorpion. His fever dream revealed his dreaming. Want to try?

I think I'll find another way.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
06:36 / 28.07.02
its prometheus rising...

Why on this day on this web page were you reading this thread?
 
 
Tits win
07:43 / 28.07.02
i looked out my window one day to see the first animal i saw. now this animal follows me everywhere. whether this is my dreaming i'm not sure.
 
 
Papess
09:46 / 28.07.02
I think there is a difference between Animal Totems and the shape-shifting dream I think you are speaking of Panda.
As far as becoming an an animal in dreaming (I think this is called a spirit guide), I experienced this through the use of 'shrooms and a meditational posture I naturally assumed that trip. It just happened to take me into the form of a Ram. I grew large curly horns and hooves. I stood on a mountain overlooking the misted valley below. The whole thing was really an accident but I think if you are not into fungus, definately try the fasting for a few days. ( please be safe)

It is rather cool that I am an Aries and decided to hold myself in this posture till my entire being changed and the environment around me also. When I came back I wasn't sure which
I was. When I did regain my senses (human) I knew this was my dreaming animal. Even without the drugs now or going into postures, I can still feel the heavy headress of the Ram or use the sure-footedness to get me from point a to point b.

-May
 
 
Naked Flame
10:24 / 28.07.02
Following on from what Stone Mirror said, if you weren't born into a culture of totem animals etc. then you just have to jam it.

Why stop at one? Unless you subscribe to the idea that we are somehow related to or occupied by specific animal essences, there's no reason to. Learn a little shapeshifting, take some lessons from the animal kingdom. Learn to walk like a cat, strut like a magpie, jump like a flea...

Mind you, after long practice and meditation, I came to the conclusion that my totem animal is the human.
 
 
Ganesh
11:26 / 28.07.02
It's not the panda, is it?
 
 
Papess
12:58 / 28.07.02


Mind you, after long practice and meditation, I came to the conclusion that my totem
animal is the human.
-Naked Flame


Hmmm, the most dangerous animal of them all! ....tehehe

-May
 
 
Stone Mirror
15:31 / 28.07.02
Fenris correctly corrects me; its prometheus rising...

So it is. "Unbound" is some English poetical git, innit?

Why on this day on this web page were you reading this thread?

Because that's the way the universe works, that's the way the universe works, that's the way the universe works...
 
 
Stone Mirror
15:33 / 28.07.02
I discovered, quite a long while ago, that I was a member of the tribe of the crows and ravens. The process that led to this determination was pretty idiosyncratic, and I'd be hard-pressed to characterize it in a way that would be useful to anyone else, I'm afraid...
 
 
Panda
15:49 / 28.07.02
Well, trusting in chaos divination for an answer, I just googled the word 'animal' and the first one mentioned was a whale.

Great.
 
 
the Fool
23:42 / 28.07.02
the first one mentioned was a whale.

Great.


Whales can go to unseen depths. Swim beneath the polar icecap. Endure temperatures that would see humans become icypoles.

A whale song can cross an ocean. A whale can see with sound in the darkness.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:22 / 29.07.02
damn and I'm only a wolf*.

*falsified to not annoy my higherselves. Theres alot of them and they're bitchy.
 
 
Stone Mirror
06:12 / 29.07.02
"Panda" asks A simple question. How do I find out what type of 'animal dreaming' I am, as the Aborigines would put it.

I've managed to divine your totem animal: you are a sacculina, a parasite which attempts to entirely take over the body of its unsuspecting host.
 
 
Ganesh
08:15 / 29.07.02
Ah, but it's a particularly stupid parasite that allows its host organism to die...
 
 
Never or Now!
09:22 / 29.07.02
"Why on this day on this web page were you reading this thread?"

Because today is just like any other day.

That's why.
 
 
Sebastian
12:20 / 29.07.02
May:I think there is a difference between Animal Totems and the shape-shifting dream I think you are speaking of Panda.

This is just my stand, but **I** "think" anybody could shapeshift in a dream into the animal he likes and feels more resonance and fascination towards, even without mushrooms, by simply desiring it methodically through a couple of days. Traditional shamans may not find at ease with this statement, but beware that I am not referring to choosing the spirit guide one most desires, but to the animal you are most inclined to shape shift to, just like May turn into a ram (with which she evidently found at ease), and even more, that animal you have always wanted to be inside of, move like, talk like, and look and appear like (traditional psychologists will recognise a familiar chapter here, and I have to say it works).

Of course I went through it, and was impressed (and rather shaken I admit) by the easiness with which it took me by surprise, out of a ritual setting, and with no 'shrooms, at the very moment I felt my facial bones melting into those of the animal I had been intently visualizing, in focused detail, at night time for the few past days. It was plain resonance.
 
 
Sebastian
12:32 / 29.07.02
By the way, as to the "How", I would say simply get a good detailed picture of the animal/insect/plant, it must be THE animal/insect/plant you do love and are fascinated by with heart and soul, memorise its details, those deatils you usually overlook, as if you were planning to draw it in pencil (drawing it actually provides great detailed insights for visualising), you'll know you hit the jackpot when you say to yourself "Hey, I never noticed before the shape of this whiskers!", and then, during the course of this visual tour, each night while you fall in sweet dreams, visualize it staring at you, or in front of you, immobile, as if it were trying to communicate, or just looking at you in meaningful resonance (if this is THE animal/insect/plant, then there should be no problem with this, you'll like it). If it has a nose, focus in it in full detail, and imagine you are matching your breathing rates. Don't worry if you fall asleep, you're supposed to.
 
 
illmatic
21:58 / 29.07.02
With worries about sounded like a complete nerd cos all i seem to do is quote book titles, another good one to try is sacred animals by Gordon Macllean pub. by Capal Bann
 
 
Stone Mirror
14:40 / 09.08.02
*bump*

Ages ago, I wrote I discovered, quite a long while ago, that I was a member of the tribe of the crows and ravens....

It appears that crows are more intelligent than prviously imagined.

So there.
 
 
Stone Mirror
14:40 / 09.08.02
Aside from the fact that our spelling can be unreliable.
 
  
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