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Annoying (but good) people one has to live with

 
 
pacha perplexa
22:21 / 26.07.02
One of my flatmates, more specifically. Let's call him X.
X lives on the other room. He is a good bloke. Honest, helpfull, erm... helpfull.
The problem with X is that he seems to lack some of the most basic rules of polite, sane co-habitation. For instance:

- Never, ever buys toilet paper. When it finishes, he steals the kitchen towel.

- He is capable of making extremely rude commentaries disguised as jokes, so that it's difficult to say if he's just a twat who can't make jokes or if he's a cunning bastard who should be slapped in the face. Like when I complained about the paper and he came with: "Oh, you brazilians have big butts, that's why you use so much toilet paper".

Another idiocy: on watching Big Brother's end, today, he asked with one of the remaining participants I'm attracted to. Not minding the childishness of the question, I said: "Kate". To which he replied shocked (having assumed I'd choose one of the men): "Kate? Are you a lesbian? Have you ever had a female partner before?"

This has happened before, over Angelina Jolie and Cameron Diaz, and he's always shocked. Today, though, he said I was being "trendy for pretending lesbianism".

I can't even begin to deconstruct this. It's so dumb. It makes me want to analyse him to death.

- He farts and burps loudly in front of other flatmates without making any effort not to. Only when I ran from the room a couple of times he incorporated a mumbled "sorry" to the awful noises.

- X makes grunting sounds for answers when we ask things, which can be maddening.

- Asks too many bloody questions. I was leaving this morning, still looking for the keys, and he went: "Where are you going?". "Work". "Where?". "Gotta clean Sue's house". "Oh, you won't be here, then?", "No, you fucking freak!!!" (the last one was just imagined). Other flatmates have complained of the same thing, but, as always, we never know wheter he's just being innocently curious.

- Is painfully noisy. Plays his jazz anytime of the day (starting sometimes at 9 am, saturday) loudly. It's all right, I mean, he's just training, and all. But doesn't mean I have to hear jazz guitar 5 hours a day, especially songs repeated over and over!!! And it doesn't mean we have to wake up to them!!

- He sometimes has "cleaner" attacks and starts tidying everything up. Whatever lost, old papers, boxes, bags, etc he finds around the house, he assumes is my boyfriend's, and trows everything into our room when we're not there.

- Won't stop looking at my breasts when we speak face to face.

It wouldn't be so bad if X didn't do those things all the time, and if he wasn't, deep inside, somewhere, a good person (otherwise I could just fight, plain and simple). And when you try to talk to him, it's always that "I didn't mean to" mixed with "But I saw you do the same thing the other day..".

So what can I do? Any similar experiences? Should I kill him or move?
 
 
drzener
22:35 / 26.07.02
They may be good inside but you have to live with them. I presume you were living in the flat before him, if you were you, you do you have right of territory. You may not be suited to live together. I'm a wee bit heartless at times, but sometimes you have to be. If he really gets your goat up you may have to resort to driving him out. It'll save having your own head wrecked.
I generally trust my own instincts.
Best of luck.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:02 / 27.07.02
I know living with people is a whole "give and take" situation, but...

you so don't wanna know about some of the people I've lived with. (And in case Barry Auckland or Wheaty-G are reading this, I SO don't mean eaither of them.)

No advice, really... I always just hide in my room until everyone else has a fight. (That's my cowardly nature coming through.)

Best of luck, though.
 
 
Thjatsi
01:48 / 27.07.02
I begin living with my first roommate ever in August. So I was wondering, could I get some advice on what I should and shouldn't be doing?
 
 
bitchiekittie
01:59 / 27.07.02
Never, ever buys toilet paper. When it finishes, he steals the kitchen towel

ew yo. this is in itself grounds for murder, Id say. or at least a really good frenzy
 
 
moriarty
05:39 / 27.07.02
I had a roommate that, in two years of living with her, never bought the toilet paper. Ever. It turns out she was weirded out buying it, something I wish she had mentioned to me. Even worse though, she almost never contributed to the toilet paper fund, and had her boyfriend over so often that our consumption doubled.

It's always the little things, isn't it?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:29 / 27.07.02
where does the 'good' bit fit in with this bloke? quite frankly, he sounds like an obnoxious racist, sexist idiot who has no idea about how to live with other people. i've known too many flatmates who always have some wonderful 'reason' why you should subsidise their lifestyle - whether it's avoiding buying communal stuff like toilet rolls, never being available to pay bills or sort repairs out with the landlord or whacking up the heating bills drying their clothes on a boiling hot day because they can't be bothered to go to the laundrette two doors down. i think a house meeting is called for - agreeing reasonable behaviour is essential. and if someone can't be a bit thoughtful, or, as in your flatmate's case, pacha, is openly treating everyone else so badly, then throw them out. your home is supposed to be a safe space. don't let anyone infringe on that. stop being so nice!

thjatsi - i think the best thing you can do discuss stuff with your room mate. as i said above, get things on an honest footing, with both parties clear as to what is expected, before you start.

my own landlady has disappeared off on holiday for two weeks - at the last minute leaving a friend of hers, a complete stranger, in the house. i had no warning, was happily making plans to actually watch some videos and stuff, have a couple of visitors, but i don't know how long she's going to be here, and she's insisting on sleeping in the lounge instead of the perfectly good spare bedroom, meaning of course that i have no access to the tv/video at night. this is small beer compared to others i've lived with (like the woman who burnt sage in her room to get rid of the 'bad energy' i'd brought in to it) but what it means is that the trust and goodwill we'd built up has totally disappeared.
 
 
Bill Posters
08:23 / 27.07.02
Awww Pacha, you have my sympathy, big time. I know how it is, especially about the questions thing!
 
 
captain piss
09:31 / 27.07.02
S'true (Pacha's post above) to a large extent- and the flat mate in question is doing my nut in a bit as well at the minute.
I suppose it's just when you're in that territory of living with someone in quite close quarters who you essentially do quite like, and they do you good turns and things now and again, it makes it hard to confront them about the loads of wee things that annoy you, for fear of creating a slightly grave atmosphere.

Sfd: ahh fuck, I hate that, when the landlord/lady is always springing little surprises like that- makes it really hard to feel at home.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:35 / 27.07.02
As for the 'talking to your breasts' thing I suggest you start replying by bending over and addressing his testicles, although he might enjoy that...
 
 
Lurid Archive
09:50 / 27.07.02
You might try also commenting on some of the behaviour as it happens, in an unamused tone. For instance, "you are talking to my breasts", tends to deflate most egos.
 
 
Bill Posters
11:48 / 27.07.02
But if he counters that with, "You Brazilians have big breasts", I suggest you thump him. And I'll be a character witness in court for you if he presses charges.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
15:00 / 27.07.02
Three words: freak yachting accident.

That's all I'm saying.
 
 
captain piss
15:16 / 27.07.02
Aw, thank y'all for the answers! Reading them was a great relief.

MM Lada: heh, too risky. Eugh!, y'know?

Bill: thanks! But what did you do about the questioning?

Sfd: Problem is, I'm the one who moved in last, and because of my low income, I'm the one who pays less rent. This favour thing is the worst, and I'm not in position to kick anyone out. I can't find another cheap place like this as well (and in such a good localization), so it's a very weird situation that I have to stand.
But maybe if I do what Lurid sez..

I know I'm being "too nice", but just because it's my first time as a flatmate. Still learning how to act, so thanks for sharing experiences.

About your landlady: aaaaarrrrrr, just reading it makes me want to bazooka her.

Lurid: Come to think of it now, yeah, I think this is what works, if incorporated to a quasi-dayly routine. I'll do it more.
 
 
captain piss
15:17 / 27.07.02
Uh... the one above was Pacha (suit invader).
 
 
Shortfatdyke
15:20 / 27.07.02
heh, well my guest left this afternoon - with her terrapin (which was a shame) and the impression that i'm a lovely sociable sort, and has offered me her cottage to stay in by the sea in scotland. anyone fancy a holiday?

i think rothkoid has the best solution to your problems, pacha.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:34 / 27.07.02
Tell him to fuck off. My housemate drives me completely insane, every Friday I get up at the ungodly hour of 8am and she stands there and talks at me about a guy she's never had the guts to even speak to. What do I do, ask her politely to shut up and then scream fuck off in her face and storm out of the room, every Friday. It has no effect on her but it makes me feel so much better. This guy sounds like he's got a thick skin, treat him accordingly, if he doesn't understand why you screamed you can always sit down and explain nicely later. It shouldn't cause too many problems as long as you can laugh at yourself (and he just thinks you're mildly insane).
 
 
Lurid Archive
16:32 / 27.07.02
Pacha: As sfd says, it is important to talk, but I can tell you from bitter experience that a house war is the last thing you want. So be firm, but try to avoid any really serious confrontation. The idea of saying things as they happen is that they don´t fester and the person is made aware of what is going on.

There is a line between accepting certain behaviour because you need to be able to rub along and having to tell him to fuck off for being a rascist, sexist bunny. I hope things don´t get too bad.

sfd: I thought that being forced to accept a house guest sounded like a nightmare. Glad it worked out alright in the end.
 
 
Ganesh
16:33 / 27.07.02
Rothkoid, you are Tom Ripley...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:05 / 27.07.02
lurid - i found a book of hers in the kitchen yesterday. it was written by david icke and had a lizard/human on the front. and today she began talking about the vibrations that different animals had. so i think i had a lucky escape!

and as i said - anyone fancy a holiday? cos i'm not going up there!
 
 
Lurid Archive
17:08 / 27.07.02
sfd HAS BEEN INFECTED. you heard her. quarantine and a radical belief realignment treatment are the only hope.

remember sfd, you are a feminist and the lizards are not out to get you. someone help her, ferchristsake!!!
 
 
Shortfatdyke
17:13 / 27.07.02
but maybe this is the link i've been looking for - all men are lizards.... so simple i've been missing it....
 
 
Naked Flame
22:30 / 27.07.02
Well, he does play very tasty guitar.

I mean, you got to count your blessings. Imagine if he played Sabbath riffs five hours a day.

If this is the person I'm thinking of, he struck me as pretty non-confrontational. I can't imagine serious conflict arising... then again, he may have a side I haven't previously seen, and he may turn into a raving loony if you feed him after midnight, or something. talk to him. Either you need to come to a reasoned agreement, or he needs to find a girl who likes having him stare at her breasts. And stay at her place. I believe it's a fine musical tradition.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:45 / 27.07.02
I dunno... I've been sharing a house (well, various houses, actually) with the same person for... getting on five years now. And we fight like bastards (I don't tidy up etc., she doesn't pay her rent etc.), but only briefly (though loudly and nastily), and always make up afterwards. But it looks like we may not be living together for much longer, and we're both really freaked out by the fact.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:25 / 28.07.02
Better Tom Ripley than Robert L. Ripley. I'll take a murderer and a nice pianist over that creepy fakir who could stick himself in a bottle any day.

Hey, Ripley had some natty suits, didn't he? Hmmmm.
 
 
Bill Posters
12:48 / 28.07.02
Bill: thanks! But what did you do about the questioning?

Sorry P, got the same problem - I pay a low rent too. Hence, thus far, I have kept quiet and polite while boiling inside. I'm not in any position to give advice, basically...
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
14:51 / 28.07.02
When he starts talking to you, act normal, as if you're really listening, and then punch him as hard as you can in the stomach and walk away. And then act like it never happened. Lotsa laughs.
 
 
The Strobe
16:51 / 28.07.02
Rothkoid, you are Tom Ripley...

Yes, but is he Matt Damon? That's gotta hurt...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:03 / 28.07.02
As in most circumstances where conflicts arise, Pacha, communication is key. It's important to let this person know how you feel. Don't bottle it up, because then you'll probably keep bottling it up until it blows. And it's likely to be ugly when and if it does blow.

Living w/people is always a tricky situation. Be upfront about what's bugging you, but try to pick your battles. There's a lot of give and take involved in roommate situations.

Of course, I'm sure that living w/landlords/-ladies (filthy creatures, those...) is worse. My landlord/tenant relationships have been severely lacking in pleasantries. No matter how nice they seem, they're always capable of unpredictable, invasive, and downright disrespectful behaviour. My absolute deepest sympathies on that one, sfd.
 
 
w1rebaby
19:40 / 28.07.02
never, ever live with land(lords|ladies) or couples. I can't stress that enough. And if the land(lord|lady) is part of a couple and they both live there, that's even worse.

I've had my share of shitty housemates; I tend to write web pages about their disgusting habits, which is some revenge at least, but it doesn't stop them being fuckers in the long run. The only solution I've found is to be very careful who you let in in the first place. You don't really have that option if you're moving in somewhere new though. The only option there is to rent a place with some trusted friends, and even they can be dodgy, since you never know what someone's like domestically til you live with them. Maybe pick and choose from old flatmates.

Or move to somewhere where you can afford to live on your own or with carefully selected company, which is what I'm doing.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
03:44 / 29.07.02
Paleface: now you know the pain within.
 
  
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