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Jude Law as Superman

 
  

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A Bigger Boat
17:35 / 26.07.02
Do you think it's going to happen or is this the hype machine generating interest for the Batman vs Superman project already by throwing random names into the mix.

I'm not particularly attached to Supe myself, so I've got no real preconceptions about what Superman *has* to be.

He's an alien, right? And our yellow sun mixed with his molecular structure makes his a hard bastard on our planet. Is that about the gist?

I've been mulling over Jude Law in the role in my quiet moments throughout today and I think it could work. I don't see why Supes has to be built like a brick shithouse to make any of his superpowers work. He can still be fast, strong and immovable.

Bruce Wayne is not imposing, but bulks up Batman's image to create something larger than life in the mind's of his enemies. The notion of Batman is probably a little hazy, and half a dozen eye witness reports could well produce half a dozen differing descriptions.

Now I think that if Superman is not physically imposing, but instantly recognisable, you might get an interesting dynamic between Batman, Superman and sundry bad guys on screen. Wouldn't you be much more impressed by a lean Superman if the criminal reaction to him is instant fear and horror? Much more effective, perhaps, than some bad guys shitting themselves because Superman also happens to be about a foot taller than all of them.

Perhaps the film could explore both heroes' images vs the reality.

Or is it just a stupid idea and they should give the part to Jackie Chan?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:54 / 26.07.02
Jude Law is Miracleman, not Superman.

And Robert (Begbie) Carlyle is Batman.

Nuff said.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:10 / 26.07.02
I think that Nicky Katt guy from tv's Boston Public would be a great Batman. He's sort of like the Batman of that show anyway...
 
 
Panda
18:25 / 26.07.02
Jude Law IS Superman, and what a perfect bit of casting!
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:41 / 26.07.02
I always thought that Superman specifically shouldn't be built like "a brick shithouse". And that he should look at least a little alien. Which is why I kind of warmed up to the idea of Nicholas Cage when his name was being batted around.
 
 
Trijhaos
19:49 / 26.07.02
I think the guy who plays Cole on Charmed would make a decent Superman or Batman.
 
 
Naked Flame
19:59 / 26.07.02
Jude Law used to be pretty pumped up as a teenager- ever see Shopping? I mean, not huge, but certainly fairly, um, defined.

(If you didn't see it, don't bother.)
 
 
videodrome
20:10 / 26.07.02
I like Jude Law as Mirableman. And Nicky Katt as the big blue, not bad, but all I can think of when I see him is: "Yeah, mom, still in Hollywood. Yeah, still a loser."

But I like the idea of Bats being more physically imposing than Supe. Having Supe be thin and immensely strong might do a lot to underscore the alien aspect, which would be good.
 
 
CameronStewart
22:51 / 26.07.02
Christopher Reeve wasn't really a huge hulking wall of muscle - he was pretty slender.

And he was the perfect Superman.

I still can't think of anyone that could be better...
 
 
Panda
00:14 / 27.07.02
Perhaps Christian Bale?
 
 
Ganesh
00:25 / 27.07.02
I've never really seen the appeal of Jude Law - so I don't really see him as Superman.
 
 
A
02:07 / 27.07.02
Superman shouldn't really have bodybuilder-style muscles. How would he build them up, by benchpressing planets? Jude Law sounds good, but it'll probably wind up being someone crap.
 
 
CameronStewart
07:18 / 27.07.02
I have to say I *hate* when comic artists draw Superman with a rippling, bulbous, bodybuilder physique.

I picture Superman as being well-built, but it's far more interesting to me to see him depicted as a kind of average man, not a Schwarzenegger type. Same goes for Batman.

But that's comics, and this is a thread for films...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:20 / 27.07.02
The guy who played Supes in Lois and Clark was in the right direction, but Christopher Reeve was definitely not muscley, I think he used to be dancer or am I just brainwronging through relief that we're not closing? But in the comics Supes muscles are supposedly due to him being a big old solar battery, the more power he has the bigger, the less he has the weaker.
 
 
Seth
13:06 / 27.07.02
My vote for Superman: Avery Motherfucking Brooks. Although he's getting a bit old now. Interestingly, he's also my vote for Number 6 in the never-going-to-happen Prisoner movie.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:58 / 27.07.02
>>>The guy who played Supes in Lois and Clark was in the right direction,<<<

Ew. No he wasn't. Probably the worst celluloid Superman. He was an odd one - too nerdy-looking as Superman, but too hot to be Clark.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
14:59 / 27.07.02
Even worse than the Keanu Reeves-a-like in Smallville?

Yeah, I know he's not playing Superman per se, but Rufus? Dude? Wyld Stallions!!!!!


The more I think about it the more I'd like to see Jude Law play Supes. He'd be a little off centre, a little more alien - it would make him an unknown quantity as Superman and appear nerdy and disconnected as Kent.

All dues to Christopher Reeve, though. Both roles (Supe/Clarke) will always be his.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:23 / 27.07.02
Batman needs to be played by 2 actors, 1 for bruce and 1 for batman, as long as they look fairly similar, but one as a more imposing actor and one as a millionaire playboy
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:04 / 28.07.02
Last I saw of Dean Cain (ah, the heady days of Lois and Clark), he was presenting Ripley's Believe It Or Not. How the mighty have fallen.

And since when did anyone cut Cathy Lee Crosby's grass?
 
 
gridley
12:37 / 29.07.02
(threadrot)
My vote for Superman: Avery Motherfucking Brooks. Although he's getting a bit old now. Interestingly, he's also my vote for Number 6 in the never-going-to-happen Prisoner movie.

Fucking right! Avery Brooks as #6 would be undefeatably cool!
(/threadrot)
 
 
The Natural Way
14:08 / 29.07.02
Is basically a bad idea.

Shopping really sucked (I actually had to watch it w/ a boy racer...nightmare....) and, well, Law IS Bosey (sp?) - he is not Superman. I don't care how much he bulks up for the role: urgh.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
15:08 / 29.07.02
Well, we've already established that Superman doesn't need muscles to be Superman. However, what he does need is to be fucking American. And if anyone out there seriously thinks that Jude Law could even act American, let alone do a convincing accent, then they are in need of a foolishectomy.

Miracleman, on the other hand - perfect casting, Mr. Fear. As perfect as your 'Begbie for Batman' idea is nothing but ridiculous. Batman does need an imposing physique.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:26 / 29.07.02
No.

Batman needs to be imposing, full stop.

A hard man who takes no shit, but a deeply wounded man as well. And with bottomless reservoirs of ferocious self-control.

Batman is all the mask and the suit. The actor is all eyes and mouth.



Look at those wounded eyes. Look at those thin lips, the tight smile.

That's your Batman there.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:30 / 29.07.02
You're right about Superman, though, O Disembodied Namesake: he's got to be American.

And not just American--wholesome and Midwestern. Jude Law is just... too louche, too world-weary to be Superman.

But he should look slightly alien as well.

So the only real choice is Wes Bentley.



An open, honest face, made slightly spooky by those weird, pale, wolverine eyes of his. Innocent and strange all at once, like his American Beauty character.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:19 / 29.07.02
Jesus! I hadn't realised that Superman had to be *fucking terrifying* to look upon...
 
 
Jack Fear
16:30 / 29.07.02
And why not? He's an inhuman creature who could burn a hole through you just by staring at you hard, and humanity's survival pretty much depends on how long we manage to stay on his good side.

It's a good life, yes.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
17:20 / 29.07.02
now if that's not American in a nutshell I don't know what is.

May be a silly question, obvious to everyone but me, but: why does Superman have to be American?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:28 / 29.07.02
It's essential to the understanding of the character, for two reasons:

(A) Wheat fields. Smallville. Ma and Pa Kent. Small-town American neighborliness is the essence of Superman's morality.

(2) This "strange visitor from another planet" isn't really a visitor at all--he's an immigrant. And in a nation of immigrants, he is the ultimate immigrant-makes-good success story.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:34 / 29.07.02
On the other hand, Hypocritamus, this...

Bruce Wayne is not imposing, but bulks up Batman's image to create something larger than life in the minds of his enemies. The notion of Batman is probably a little hazy, and half a dozen eye witness reports could well produce half a dozen differing descriptions.

...is Spot Fucking On.

Or, in other words:
Superman = Celebrity.
Batman = Legend.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
18:50 / 29.07.02
"And if anyone out there seriously thinks that Jude Law could even act American, let alone do a convincing accent, then they are in need of a foolishectomy." -Jack The Bodiless

Well, I think he did fairly well in Road To Perdition. Up until his last lines, anyway.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:53 / 29.07.02
Batman needs to be physically imposing simply because he always has been in the comics. He's always been presented as a man of above average build and, usually, of above average height. Show me the issue where the Dark Knight is represented as a skinny yet wiry motherfucker shorter than your Aunt Ethel after an attack of rickets, and I'll concede the point. Part of the major audience clusterfuck over Keaton being cast was over his short stature, and there they overcompensated with rubber to make up for his lack of physical presence. You don't make a Batman movie where the main character is in the shadows for the entire film... and the guy wears a skintight leotard, for fuck's sake. The second our Bobbie came out into any kind of light all of the criminals would be sniggering into their sleeves.

There have been many takes on Batman (my favourites, probably like yours, devoting more time to the legendary aspects, adding the definite article to his name - thereby making 'The Batman' almost a title rather than a codename) - but for a Barman movie, you need to devote some time to both the Bruce Wayne and the Batman personas. My favourite idea for this is still to explore the idea that 'Batman' is the core personality and 'Bruce Wayne' the mask... still think that'd make a great movie all on its own.

But, and after all that, reassessing the point of this particular thread... it's a Batman Vs. Superman movie. Since the former is not the only star of the movie, I don't see why a more shadowy presentation (or lack of) wouldn't work perfectly, especially contrasted with the Man Of Steel's primary-colour-cleanliness/Godliness. Still think Robert Carlysle isn't imposing enough, in whatever context you pick. And you don't cast a man because his mouth and nose look good in a hood. He's scrawny and wee.

Jude Law - louche? Definitely. The precise word I couldn't think of earlier.

As Superman? If it were Dark Knight Returns, I'd go for Kyle MacLachlan... but as it's not, I'm going for Billy Crudup. Excellent actor, sympathetic yet rugged face, and a build that'll look good in the tights without needing to be overly muscular. And the major plus point is that, like Christopher Reeve, he looks like he could play both Clark Kent and Superman. I can see Jude Law as the former, but never the latter.
 
 
Margin Walker
22:38 / 29.07.02
I think Jude Law would make a good Superman. He'd out-do anything that Nic Cage would've done, that's for sure. I just find it funny that he's going to play a character that's out defending the world when in real life he can't even defend himself from being assaulted by politicians.

Jude Law Attacked At Airport:

(12 Jul 2002)The senator rained blows on the 29-year-old star at the country's Otopeni Airport, thinking he was stealing his brother's car.

Senator Dinu Patriciu had failed to realise his brother had recently sold the car to a rental firm.

Law, who lives in Primrose Hill, north London, with his wife Sadie Frost and three children, stars in the new Sam Mendes film, Road to Perdition, which has just opened in America to rave reviews.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:16 / 29.07.02
>>>Batman needs to be physically imposing simply because he always has been in the comics. He's always been presented as a man of above average build and, usually, of above average height.<<<

David Mazzuchelli drew Batman with a fairly average body in Batman: Year One, and it remains my favourite depiction of the character.

Mind you, I just got through drawing Bruce Wayne in a cameo appearance in an upcoming issue of Catwoman (plug plug plug), and I drew him at least a foot taller than everyone else. So, er, never mind.

I'm with you though - powerhouse actor though he is, Robert Carlyle would be pretty laughable as Batman.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:18 / 29.07.02
Oh, and now might be a good time to say that I've long dreamed of the day when Bruce Campbell would be cast as Superman. Look at his 1930s newsie outfit in Hudsucker Proxy - there's your Clark Kent...
 
 
CameronStewart
23:47 / 29.07.02
Seems I'm not the only one:





He'd have to play it straight, of course, not like Ash in a circus costume, but I reckon he could do it...
 
  

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