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Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:07 / 26.07.02
It's a perrenial problem. I start something new, I crack on really well until it comes to actually wrapping it up and putting it to bed. My current list of unfinished things includes:

The washing up
A story about a computer game
A story about a magical disaster
A story about a serial killer
Three-quarters of a novel
Several poems
Four articles
The Pokemon Laser Autopsy Harp
A tape of me singing.

Some of them are very unfinished, and I suspect the novel will have disintegrated into unreadable slop by the time I dig it out again. But two of the articles only require a quick check of the facts and figures, and one of the stories only needs a bit of spit-and-polish.

This is the story of my life, and is probably one reason that I'm still doing temp work as a cleaner. Any tips? Other than "pull yourself to-bloody-gether and finish stuff, then," I mean.
 
 
Utopia
16:10 / 26.07.02
it's the damn board. especially if ur trying to get something done on the computer.
 
 
grant
16:13 / 26.07.02
I have the same trouble. In spades.

The only thing that seems to help is doing the projects for other people and them giving you a deadline (even if it's as low-key as, "Oh, I'll write a song for him for his birthday.")

Oh, and you might want one of these: "-ing". Collaboration helps quite often, too.
 
 
MJ-12
16:26 / 26.07.02
You need to consolidate your tasks. A novel told in verse about a magical disaster which can only be averted by the use of a Pokemon Laser Autopsy Harp, the plans of which (fully presented) have been encrypted within the code of a computer game. By a serial killer. And you can sing the audio book. Dunno about the washing up, though.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:30 / 26.07.02
You're not along there, MC. I haven't a completer-finisher bone in my body.

When I find myself irritated by this trait, I remind myself that the theorists, and my experience of working with teams, have taught me that the people who are good at tidying up loose ends are pretty rare and, while necessary to the process of dotting i 's and crossing t 's, are not the same people who secrete creative juices and rattle cages. Nor the good shepherds who tend to the emotional welfare of their flock.

If I were a rich man, I would employ someone to finish off my projects when I start to get bored, and read the last few chapters of all those abandoned books. It is this flaw in my character which also makes it very hard for me to cope with goodbyes.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:35 / 26.07.02
I really want to know what the Pokemon Laser Autopsy Harp is....

I'm kind of lucky, in that most of the projects I have going right now are paintings, where if I get bored, I can just say "well, that looks finished!" and be done with it. Of course, I also have one very funny short story without an ending (even though I know EXACTLY how it will end, which boggles my mind), and a screenplay that's through first and second draft and needs some not-so-major-rewrites to be ready to send out. That hasn't been worked on since April(!)

When I go back to projects like that, it's very easy for me to think "oh, this was crap to begin with. Why bother finishing?" I truly think the hardest part of writing/creating is forcing yourself to ignore the inner critic and just power through to the end. Writing is Will in action.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:36 / 26.07.02
I just mentioned the same thing in my journal. Unfinished works of fiction? I've got them in spades. Ritual ideas I've never acted upon. Stacks of video games and books I've never finished. All kinds of stuff I want to finish, but never seem to have the time for.

I'd say, "Just focus on one thing, finish it, and everything else will fall into place", but that isn't always the case.
 
 
netbanshee
17:14 / 26.07.02
Something like MJ-12 was saying...if you're not going to finish these things as they stand, take the good out of them (whether it was a concept, etc.) and apply it to something you're currently interested in doing.

While working on a website, I must have started 5 different ideas that fleshed out at different stages of the game. Sat back, dissected the good parts and brought them together into a finished project.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
17:23 / 26.07.02
Another guilty hand starts going up over here (but doesn't quite make it all the way up, natch).

my problem: any writing project that I try to make work seems to become almost instantly boring to me.
Get a couple of pints inside me and ask me to recount my ideas and they sound pretty good.
Put me somewhere where I have absolutely no way of working on them (at work, on the way to work, off out for the evening) and I reckon that I could sit down and knock out a few hundred words no problem. Give me a weekend in which to work with no distractions and no excuses and documentaries about flatworms suddenly become vital research.

the world's problem: it's just taking everyone else a long time to catch up with my radical rethinking of the form and structure of storytelling, viz. do away with the ending altogether. My new structure comprises rough first drafts and notes with the odd flotsam of ideas. I'm not being lazy, I'm just demanding much more of the reader than the average writer.

This new form of storytelling also has an inbuilt defense against negative reaction: "Well of course it's crap, it's not finished.


you have my sympathies.

(I've just realised that reading over this post before sending it was the most intensive period of creativity and re-drafting I've engaged in for months. I will no longer refer to myself as a writer, I'm a schmuck).
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:25 / 26.07.02
I regret that I never finished Final Fantasy VIII. But c'mon, it was such a letdown after VII. Who can blame me? And the main character was a punk bitch named after a punk bitch weather pattern.

Besides that? I have enough trouble getting off my ass and starting projects, so there's really little I can contribute.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:33 / 26.07.02
an inbuilt defense against negative reaction: "Well of course it's crap, it's not finished."

I think you may have hit the nail on the head there. If I don't finish it, I can't send it off and I never have to get a thanks-but-no-thanks letter.

I hate having lucid moments.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
17:48 / 26.07.02
avoid moments of lucidity at all costs. They always come with a figure at the bottom and the word 'overdrawn'.

maybe we should all give ourselves a bit of a break. if you're anything like me then there's still plently of other stuff you've got to beat yourself up about.

So there's a few 'ongoing' projects in the pipelines.

so we're 'in between' creative phases.

I might just be spending my entire life bullshitting myself. I might blink and find that I'm a 75 year old regular in a pub where everybody knows me but nobody actually knows my name, telling anyone who'll listen about the reams of stories underneath my mattress at home. But if I'm right.... the revelution will be sweet. Natuarally you are all cordialy invited.

To recap: lucidity = bad; we deal in daydream. deeply held but rarely spoken belief that we are blessed with a magical skill = good; we are God's poets and as such among His elect when the final fold is made in His origami universe.

maybe one day you'll write something that will make a complete stranger smile for the whole day. Maybe you already have
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:20 / 26.07.02
I'm soooo glad to see that I'm not the only one. I mean, I knew that I wasn't the only one, but I don't really ever meet people who are like that. I know people who are ambitious and get stuff done and I know people who could give a shit if they get anything done and don't, but I really can't think of anyone else besides myself (that I know personally) who is both highly ambitious and yet seemingly incapable of seeing these ambitions through to fruition. I totally beat myself up over this all the time. I call myself a writer when all I have are thousands of disconnected scraps of paper to show for it. I want to do comics, but I likewise only have a slew of random drawings. I've been trying to get a zine done for the past...I don't know how many years but it never seems to get anywhere. I set a deadline for myself on it...we'll see if that has any effect. I'm only just now going back to school after taking three years off, and I graduated from high school seven years ago... I'd go so far as to say that a lack of follow-through is my main problem in life and I wish to god I knew what to do about it. Anyway. I'm rambling.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:31 / 26.07.02
Hmm. Maybe your slew of random drawings could get together with my slew of random writing, and make a slew of random not-quite-comics.

I think the nail was pounded firmly on the head with the whole "of course it's crap, it's not finished" thing. I reckon that should be my epitaph. "Of course my life's crap, it's not-- Oh. Bugger."
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:01 / 26.07.02
Know just whatcha mean. especially the "if I never finish it, no-one can say it's shit" get-out clause...
STILL about (literally) thirty album reviews behind for Freq
STILL only half-way through my pirate/Cthulhu story (now getting on for ten months old)
Just (well, I say just, but about three weeks ago) started a comic with a friend as apathetic as myself. We have three months to get it sorted. Almost a month in. I've written two pages (script of which I'm very proud, I hasten to add, but two pages just ain't shit, really), he's looked up some visual sources online, and may have photographed some locations this week. We suck.
No solutions to that one. If you find any, tell me.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
07:23 / 27.07.02
time travel would just about clinch it, but has anyone here honestly got the staying power to build one?

My time machine is lying, half-complete, in the corner of my basement next to the perpetual motion machine (which, since it is obviously unfinished, I have re-dubbed the constant irritation machine).
 
 
_pin
22:52 / 27.07.02
I don't think I've ever started anything. Anyone who's got a copy of my zine to hand, please now look at the How To Think... article- see that? That's half of it. I don't have a fucking clue where the other half's gone. 'Planner was bugging me for something, so I stuck it in an email along with a message that appeared to consist mostly of "Fuck off! There! You have something! Fuck off! Fuck off fuck off fuck off!! Get of my back!", and... uh, it get stuck in the magazine. Fotunatly the actual end of the article appears to be somewhere around the middle of the page, with a bunch of stuff around it, so no one's noticed yet.

And the one about mobile phones wasn't even the end of a VERY rought draft...

You'd think I'd actually put some effort into something I pimp so much, wouldn't you?
 
 
Trijhaos
00:03 / 28.07.02
time travel would just about clinch it, but has anyone here honestly got the staying power to build one?

I do! Give me the stuff I need and enough time and I'll build a time machine. Of course, the only reason this would hold my interest long enough to get done is there's a monetary reward. You see, I'd use it to purchase a few copies of what are now highly valuable comics and sell them off to the highest bidder. All my problems are solved with one little machine.

You know, I think I just hit on my problem. That feeling of satisfaction you get when you finish something just isn't enough anymore. I need something tangible; like money.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
07:33 / 28.07.02
I'm currently feeling this way at the moment. While I'm still pretty slumped, I left full of good intentions: to get back on my writing, to get started with Magick, to figure out how to get people over here for Christmas, to take some photos. And none of them have occurred yet. I guess that there's the glumness (and the fucking chest infection that blew up as soon as I got off the plane) that's stopping me, but I think it's something more than that. The fear-of-failure and fear-of-completion is probably looming large in the scheme here.

I do have some tentative plans to hook up with a friend of mine and make some godawful country music, but that's pipelining again.

Sigh.
 
 
Sleeperservice
08:22 / 28.07.02
Fear of Failure is a subtle & insidious friend. More of a graphics/music person myself, but the symptoms are the same. Even the things I actually finish (which is very rare) always have lots wrong with them & are never 'finished' in my mind...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:15 / 28.07.02
FOF, as I call the little demon, is the very scourge at the center of my cyclone of aimlessness. I'm trying to convince myself to embrace failure as a necessary and ultimately benign part of the creative process, but my heart just doesn't seem to be in it.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:16 / 28.07.02
And I think I like your idea, BTW, Mordant...
 
 
Lilith Myth
21:12 / 28.07.02
Not sure I have any tips; this is where I'm at too. I'm about 80% through a novel that I just can't pull my finger out to complete. I keep meaning to help small children and sick people. And to lose some weight. I think I appear ambitious and driven to those who don't know me well, but the truth is I'm - probably stupidly - waiting to be discovered and I really should stop. It's not just fear of failure; it's lethargy. Having a short attention sp-. Not being able to finish a se-

Help me. if you have answers, I need them too.
 
 
invisible_al
21:58 / 28.07.02
>Fear of Failure is a subtle & insidious friend.

Oh dear god yes, that's it in a nutshell. I cope with stuff by doing what I can when I'm surfing that creative wave which I know won't last. You know when you actually get some stuff done and you're working on three things at one. If you have enough stuff on the go you can switch between stuff when you get edgy or bored, eventually something will get finished at some point. Its not a brilliant theory but I sometimes manage to get stuff done on a upswing.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:16 / 29.07.02
As for me, my defence-agains-failure mechanism is now so finely tuned that I hardly ever even start anything...

When I were a lass my mother used to have to finish my hobby projects off for me & I have gone downhill since then. I was so worried that my dissertation would be rubbish that I only left myself two days to write the thing.
 
 
The Monkey
01:04 / 30.07.02
Mordant,

I am having fits trying to figure out what this is:

The Pokemon Laser Autopsy Harp

Please explain before my cortex detonates. I am still suffering latent Poketrauma from that occasion two years ago where two of my wee cousins *insisted* that I thoroughly learn about this insane little figment of Nipponaserie. I still have flashbacks.

P.S. I feel your unfinished pain. I've only got about three million half-finished short stories, novel skeletons, RPG settings, and musical compostions floating about in my head and in my harddrive.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:15 / 30.07.02
Okay: Basically, it's an electronic device, sorta like a stringed instrument but using laser beams and sensors instead of strings. The goal is to use it as a midi-controller, but until I can get the micro-controller up and running I'm using the sound generators from gutted children's toys. The circuit basically works, but the calibration is still a bit dicey and I don't have enough toys for all the beams, or a frame for it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:46 / 30.07.02
So: Now we've established that not finishing stuff isn't just me being an idle bastard, but is a problem common to many... WTF do we do about it?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:05 / 30.07.02
i *do* tend to finish stuff - i usually begin one project, finish it, then go on to the next one - perhaps juggling too many balls is the problem here? but i am organised, and obsessive about what i do. i fear not finishing a story, rather than having it rejected by an editor.

i met a bunch of people a few years back (my then g/f and her brother and cronies) who were all doing some kind of art - writing, painting. one was coming out with some seriously good paintings, my then g/f was writing a book.... it all seemed very bohemian and exciting, but then i realised they spent most of their time drinking and talking about what they did, rather than doing it - so they could claim to be artists, but were never tested by having to show anything to anyone else. i remember two of them being really patronising about a story of mine, then a few weeks later being obviously resentful to hear that it had been accepted for an anthology.

not that i'm suggesting that's happening here - as far as i can see, it's a matter of taking too much on.
 
 
Saveloy
08:38 / 30.07.02
Mordant>

I agree wholeheartedly with sfd - stick to one project at a time, and don't move on to anything else until you do. It will be difficult, but the completion of your first task will provide immense satisfaction and just the confidence boost you need to get on with the rest.

I suggest you start with the item on your list that promises to be the easiest and quickest to complete, ie the tape of you singing. Imagine the thrill of putting it in the letterbox (you've still got my address, right?) Get that one out of the way and the rest will follow naturally.
 
 
lentil
10:36 / 30.07.02
"Get thaat fiirst thiiing dooone and it'll spuuurr yoooouuu on foooor the rest of the stuuufff.... stuuuff... stuufff"

That was me echoing saveloy and sfd's earlier comments. Working on a few things at once can be really useful, particularly if it's related work where you can get cross-fertilisation, but you need that momentum to start with.
I also find that once you start being busy you can crank up the work rate even as it becomes more tiring/ burdensome, and that also, in a funny kind of way, if your work becomes almost a hindrance, in the sense that you have to sacrifice other things for it, it increases the importance you attach to it and therefore your determination to make it worthwhile.
I'll explain how that works for me: i graduated from a fine art degree one year ago, and being unable to support myself as an artist (surprise surprise!) I do an admin job four days a week. i also spend a lot of time in working in my studio, which has in the past led to arguments between me and my girlfriend, with her saying that she doesn't see me enough, or me feeling like a lonely sap when I've been working on something in full knowledge that my friends are out drinking. This leads to me thinking "well if I'm going to piss off my favourite person by doing this I'd better make damn sure I'm not doing it for nothing", and while I'm obviously unable to produce as much work as I could when I was in college, I feel that what I'm doing now is much more focused and has far greater plausibility as an eventual career.
Also, re temping jobs - I am sitting here right now and so don't want to have to do this, or anything like it, for more than a few years, and I only have one possible means of escape. Again this is to do with the significance you give to your work. Mordant, would it help you to see a similar opposition between the temping you do and your personal projects? I'd recommend going for some office work if you can get it, it can be a lot less stressful and you can use the office facilities for your own shit. Most admin temping jobs are no-brainers and I'm sure you could get all your work done and spend time writing while ptretending to work or whatever. i have on my hard drive here a 14-page comic which has been done entirely in stolen moments.

Shit, i don't even know whether to post this now, I hope it's not going to read as a smug, self-satisfied rant. It's not intended as such - read it as someone who had to give himself a kick up the arse describing what the impact felt like.

oh yeah, sfd, really liked your anecdote about the group of "bohemians". Recognised myself in there too, you betcha.
"Fear not the man who boasts by night, but the man who rises early in the morning"
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:19 / 30.07.02
Not taken as a smug rant at all, Lentil. 'Twas highly appreciated, as was the advice from sfd and Saveloy. Possibly the biggest frustration about the whole thing, even more so than the inability to finish things itself, is not knowing what to do about it. I've been trying to break the loop for a long time and it wears me out, but I've been much better lately about at least getting pretty close to the finish line most of the time. I'm hoping that getting back into school will add a little more structure to my relatively formless work habits, if only because it will severely limit the time I have for extracurricular activities.

But anyway...advice is appreciated and implicity solicited.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:36 / 30.07.02
Mordant - ignoring the washing up, the laser harp and the singing for a moment, you've got

A story about a computer game
A story about a magical disaster
A story about a serial killer
Three-quarters of a novel
Several poems
Four articles


and you won't get close to 'em until you pick one.

A few weeks ago I made myself write a list of projects I'd quite like to script. Then I went down the list one by one doing outlines so that my agent could get them out there. Now I've gone back to the top and I'm starting to script my favourite one on spec. The good thing about this is that you know what you're supposed to be doing so there's no 'oh but I could do this instead'. It also breaks each one down into manageable tasks - it's not an unclimable mountain that will take the rest of your life, it's a set of day-long things-to-do. So next time I get to sit at my desk, I know I have to do five pages of my latest script before bedtime, a figure which gives me twenty days, or a little more, to make a serious first draft. Allowing for screw-ups and untoward events, that means a month. At the end of which time, I've either done it, made a sufficient dent in it to know it can be done, or failed.

Merciless process. Works a treat. Has to, because I'm the crown prince of timewasters and lollygaggers.
 
  
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