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Research: The Weekend Newspapers

 
 
Saveloy
12:16 / 25.07.02
Not sure this is the right forum for this - please move if... etc


From a recent column in the Guardian:

"With new [think] tanks established almost daily, each one creating thousands of thoughts and papers, debates and alternative manifestos, each of which must be printed and circulated before it can be shelved, something has got to be done. Rubbish disposal experts estimate that getting rid of the IPPR's thought mountain, alone, already accounts for a landfill site the size of Croydon."

(from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4463567,00.html)


How true, and how ironic that this should be pointed out by one of the hundreds of columnists whose opinions are printed, duplicated, circulated and binned on a daily basis.

Got me to thinking (again) about the energy, money and resources that go into producing papers and how much we really need the extra bits. How many landfill sites do Catherine Bennett's musings take up, I wonder? (And before you mention it, even recycling takes up energy and resources which could be saved if the darn things weren't printed in the first place). How much even gets read?

It won't provide a statistically useful answer, obviously, but it'll make me feel like I'm doing something vaguely positive (and satisfy my curiousity) if I could get you lot to answer the the following questions. I've kicked off with my own answers; feel free to talk about vague impressions, to use generalisations and make unfair accusations like I have:


1. Which sections of the newspapers do you read/look at? To what extent do you engage with them/take them seriously?

I read the news, editorials (occassionally), art/culture bits, columnists and reviews. I flick through the lifestyle bits. I forget most of it - specific facts, that is - an hour or two after having read it, but am left with a sort of newspapery aftertaste that can last up to two days. Articles that inspire or enrage will loop around in my head for up to a week afterwards, generating all manner of internal debate and bickering.


2. Which bits of the multi-part papers do you throw away without even opening them?

Anything relating to money, careers, business, travel or property. In terms of bulk it must be around 50 - 80% of the weekend paper.


3. When you've finished with it, do you recycle it or just shove it in the bin with the household waste?

The whole thing goes in the council-provided recycling bin.


4. Of the bits you read, are there any sections (apart from the news) that you'd miss if they were never to be printed again?

The weekly listings.


Would you still buy the paper if those sections went?

Yes.


5. Of the whole paper, are there any bits (sections or
regular elements) which are guaranteed to piss you off?


The 'lifestyle' bits - clothes, food, interiors, design etc - affect me in spectacular ways. I only have to flick through them to find my hands shaking with rage and my head swelling with blood. Every weekend I shout "Why do I do this to myself? Never again!" but I can't stop myself. I'm like a Victorian prude simultaneously swearing at and sweating over porn. There are a million reasons for this, but I think chief among them is the fact that the paper has a specific target audience in mind - young, sophisticated, affluent, aspirational, urban professionals - and I'm not in it. Oh, and the fact that 'style' has infected every part of the paper.

Columnists/Opinion pieces - people being paid to roll eyes, raise eyebrows and tut!

The majority of reviews/crits. I don't think this is the just about personnal taste. There's something about the whole culture of reviewing that annoys me. I can't put my finger on it at the moment. Anyhow, the Guardian's music and TV reviewers are extra special bastards, with their flippant, sarcy, smart-arse friend on the sofa schtick. They give the impression that they're slumming it till something better comes along or the comedy career takes off (see also the NME). Charlie Brooker gets away with it on the occasions he displays genuine rage/despair. But you've got to ask yourself why anyone should waste money and resources reviewing the bloody telly at all.


6. Miscellaneous: any other specific aspects of the print media that you love or loathe (design, layout, size etc?)

A common complaint - photos of columnists. Even worse - snappy biogs of minor contributors ("Jish Pharmer was 19 yrs old when he dropped out of St Martins to set up a design studio in a Tibetan monastary..."). Not only irritating but completely pointless, as no one will care or remember 5 minutes from now who the f**k Neb Fiskeboll is.

7. Do you think the internet would be a suitable and successful alternative venue for all the non-news stuff you have to lug back from the newsagent every weekend? Will amateur critics replace the paid professionals? (cf the "Records You Shouldn't Have" thread in the Music forum...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:59 / 25.07.02
Speaking as someone who reads the damn things for a living... and therefore sees a small rainforest's worth get chucked EVERY FUCKING MORNING (now that IS a depressing sight)... I'll keep my answers relevant to when I buy them for myself.

1: I buy the Guardian. I read all of it as far as the letters page/comments & opinions bit, quickly scan the obituaries, and then look at G2 if it's got anything that looks interesting. And that's about it.

2: I chuck the same bits as you, Saveloy. Without even looking.

3: Recycle.

4: Not really... the letters page, probably. (And the "Corrections & Clarifications"- for some reason I find that oddly fascinating). Oh, and Mark Steel's column in the Independent (which I sometimes buy for that alone).

5: Bits that piss me off? Lifestyle stuff, for sure. But most of all, personal sodding finance. Even though I chuck it out without looking, I still KNOW it's there, dammit!

6: Miscellaneous- I find it a shame that the tabloid size (rather than overall format) is inextricably linked with the concept of tabloid journalism. If the Guardian kept the same content but was on smaller paper and thicker (or missed out the personal sodding finance or something) it'd be much easier to read on the bus, or spread out on the floor when your dog decides to sleep on it.

7: I think so... however, I also think it would be a suitable venue for all the news, as well. I'm just old-fashioned and prefer paper to CRT.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:07 / 25.07.02
I get the Guardian on Saturdays and scarcely any other paper (read them online, which is an entirely different process). So all these answers relate to that paper and that paper only (I am a very sad, lonely individual).

1. I read the following sections in the following order: the Guide (skim this one as have no television and therefore large section of it toally irrelevant to me); the Magazine (brain free); the Review (as I am now warmed up and can start actually using brain); the Editor (as a refresher before I get to); the main section. Told you I am a sad, lonely individual and Creature of Habit. The things I tend to remember are books that sound interesting, and the odd infuriating article (actually quite a few of these in the Guardian).

2. Um, yes, money & jobs, travel, never read the business pages anyway. Is there another section? If there is I must chuck that too. Basically they are irrelevant as I have no money and therefore cannot travel, and am hoping not to have to worry too much about jobs in the naer future.

Oh yes, sport, of course. Actually I do sometimes read that one.

3. Well - I put them in a box in my room. I intend to take them to the recycling place when I've worked out where it is. Think I will probably turn out to be one of those Pensioners Who Hoard you sometimes see on the local news, scrabbling around in a tiny space surrounded by boxes and boxes of rubbish.

4. I don't know, really. I rarely reread them. The reviews, I suppose. The news (sounds stupid but print news very different to telly news).

4b. No - there wouldn't be much point really. I can get everything else from crap magazines really.

5. Um. The magazine. Oh God, it's like crap magazines - I can feel my brain rotting as I read, but my soul is soothed by the opiates of clothes, interiors, food... must be some devious form of population mind control. But the absolute pits are the stupid, pointless running series of little vignette articles - you know the ones I mean, 'Things my Girlfriend and I Argue About', 'Why We Love Each Other', Alexnader Chancellor's vanity column... ugh.

I don't really read the columnists unless they're talking about something I'm already interested in. The reviews I don't mind so much - you can usually figure out whether said book/film/play/whatever is something you'd be interested in (though the Guide reviews are a bit shit really - they need more space to give a proper indication, at the moment it's mostly smart comments and bad puns).

6. Constant weekend battle with broadsheets due to my short, stumpy arms. But I am sure it is good for the soul, and tabloid formats do seem to encourage wankiness.

7. I don't think they'll be found in the same places - i.e., the wanky bits will get spread out across sites related to a specific topic. The kind of all-embracing style of a sunday paper would translate more into a portal style which is usually not terribly successful. Also, the web isn't so good for tradtional lifestyle supplement visual stuff, and I think it will take pundits and designers a while to switch over.

Aren't most of the critics essentially amateurs anyway?
 
 
Fist Fun
07:21 / 26.07.02
I mainly read t'Guardian, sometimes the FT or the Times. During the week I usually just skim a copy at work or at the gym. At the weekend popping out to get the paper is part of the luxury of a long lie in bed.

1.
During the week I always read from the sports section backwards. Quite like the online supplement. Usually read the G2 tabloid before the main news.
At weekends, despite myself I enjoy the money section (although it is always just the same 10 issues over and over again), sport, magazine, culture...most of it really.


2.
None. I never really bothered with the travel section as a student. The whole two weeks holiday thing used to puzzle me. Now that I work I find myself quite enjoying it...*sob*

3.
I don't usually read it at home. I believe they have quite strict recycling policies at work, dunno about gym, it usually goes straight in the bin at my girlfriends at the weekend. I'll make a bit more effort on that front.

4.
Nah, I like big newspapers. Even the parts that I just flick over...well, I like them to be there. Have you ever read the French press? It is incredibly bad...well not so much bad as tight, political, serious and dull. I like all those sections, even the ones I rarely read.

5.
I quite like the lifestyle bits. Never really understood the whole fashion spread thing. Several pages taken up by models wearing clothes. People actually enjoy that? I generally quite like the papers I read...obviously picking up a daily mail, express, sun etc...and there are plenty of points to dislike...

7.
I love the internet, but I can't read a screen for long periods of time and it isn't as portable. That is just technology and I could imagine a portable, easy-reading internet-type thing in the not too distant future. I'd love to see some bloggers get paid for content.
 
 
grant
14:20 / 26.07.02
I only read the comics. My wife gets the paper on the weekend, reads the homes section, "accent" (culture), a bit o' the front page, local news. Sometimes some of the ads.

Occasionally there's something I think is good on the front of the business section (weird local entrepreneurs) or something in the travel section that catches my eye. But overall, I get all my news from the radio, from work ("journalist," I sit next to the clipper), and from online.

At work, we don't recycle, at home, we do.

The only thing I really don't like about print media is the "Continued: page A27" things - what they call "jumps".

I don't really buy the paper, but I'd be a *lot* less inclined to even pick one up if they stopped publishing comics.
 
  
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