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DESIGN: Wind-Powered Buildings

 
 
Jack Fear
17:02 / 18.07.02
From New Scientist.

Buildings with integrated wind turbines could generate at least 20 percent of their own energy needs, and perhaps all. They would be more power efficient than ordinary wind farms or solar powered constructions, say UK researchers.

I fucking love this:



An international team of architects, engineers and aerodynamicists has come up with a design for a multi-tower office building or block of flats with wind turbines fitted in between. ... Curved towers would funnel wind towards the turbines and improve efficiency, the researchers say. Preliminary testing on a seven-metre prototype, designed by Mecal Applied Mechanics in the Netherlands and erected at the UK's Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, indicates that the design could be twice as efficient as a stand-alone wind power generator, despite the fact that it does not move to face the wind. Wind speeds in urban areas are typically about two thirds of those in rural areas, so the extra efficiency is vital, says the team....

Architects at the University of Stuttgart have created a prototype design for a two-tower 200-metre tall building with three integrated turbines. Each turbine would need to be 30 metres in diameter to generate a minimum of 20 percent of the energy needed by a building of this size.


This has all the things I like in design: epic scale, a noble purpose, highly visible "guts," a determination to treat form and function as being of equal aesthetic importance, an underlying concept that is at once out-there and forehead-slappingly obvious. And it looks like the Future, you know? Not a dull, drab, concrete-canyon future, but a bright shiny Art Deco 1939 World's Fair vision of the future.

Drawbacks: noisy, potentially dangerous to birds, kites, small planes.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:25 / 18.07.02
yeah - your comments regarding the anti-blade runner future are spot on.

THe image is interesting. I need to think about this some more. Thees a real momentum gathering in the UK regarding wind power just now, with lots of pros and cons popping up - noise being the main one.

hmmmm.....

it's cool - nice link. cheers.
 
 
netbanshee
17:50 / 18.07.02
Love the idea.

My one engineering friend was developing a air turbine when he was at school that could take some of the energy needs away from standard sources. Was if I recall correctly, about 20-25 ft in height and could account for a decent percentage of savings in a typical building if placed atop. Could produce energy at a wind speed of just one mph too. Though the integration of it into the architecture is a wonderful idea.
 
 
Thjatsi
19:17 / 18.07.02
I really love this idea, but won't bird parts be falling on pedestrians all day?
 
 
the Fool
22:56 / 18.07.02
I think it looks a bit Giger meself. The bits inbetween the fans look like they could have come from one of his sketchbooks. Biomechaniod.
 
 
Saveloy
14:39 / 24.07.02
Absolutely f***ing fantastic. My Utopian vision gland hasn't been this stimulated in months. Thanks, Jack.

A couple of thoughts:

Why not slot smaller versions of the turbines in between existing buildings (using the funnels but without the offices attached, if that's possible), to exploit the wind corridors that you find in most high-rise cities?

Once you've built one of these buildings, wouldn't it further complicate future town planning and development? ie would it be made illegal to build structures above a certain height in front of such a building, because to do so would deprive it of wind?
 
 
Jack Fear
15:07 / 24.07.02
Why not slot smaller versions of the turbines in between existing buildings...

Well, the design of the buildings themselves is integral to the concept. Take another look at the illustration. The buildings curve inwards to channel the air currents: I think, if I'm reading it right, that this is an important factor in the design's efficiency.

Also, existing buildings might not have the structural integrity necessary to deal with the inevitable vibration and stress the turbines would cause. For the cost of the masive retrofitting that would be necessary, it might be cheaper to simply demolish the existing buildings and put up these new ones...
 
 
Saveloy
15:25 / 24.07.02
Sorry, I didn't explain myself very well, there; I see that the shape of the building is crucial, but it doesn't have to be a 'building'. I imagine the funnels will work at any scale, and could possibly be customised to fit around existing structures (I'm imagining a horribly complicated, interweaving network of extended funnels). That said, you're right about the structural integrity business, and the fact that it might be easier/cheaper to raze and re-build. I wonder, though, how close you can build these things together without diminishing the performance of the ones in the middle or furthest from the head of the prevailing winds?
 
 
Saveloy
16:02 / 24.07.02
On a vaguely related note, have you heard of solar chimneys? An interesting combination of solar and wind power - basically you use the sun to heat air which moves up through a chimney and turns a turbine. Current plans require thousands of hectares of flat land covered in glass - I have a daft vision of a city of turbine buildings of equal height with flat roofs... Anyhow, take the link below and look for the links further down the page for examples, descriptions etc (easier for me than putting them all here) including plans for a project in Australia which, if built, will create the tallest man-made structure on Earth:


http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Mountainside_20Solar_20Chimneys#1021795704
 
 
Tom Coates
10:18 / 26.07.02
I think there's something profoundly interesting about this, but I suspect that as yet they've decided to pass quickly over the potential problems of what amounts to CREATING WINDS in the middle of a city. Most skyscrapers spend an awful lot of time and money trying to work out ways to limit the effects of their buildings - so that there aren't huge winds at the base of the building, and it doesn't sway too much. I'm not sure that something like this would get through...
 
 
grant
14:08 / 26.07.02
Maybe the turbines would absorb a lot of that kinetic energy, block the wind enough to act as a damper....
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:49 / 26.07.02
Tom - that seems overly pessimistic without an examination of the relevant results. It's possible that such buildings would have a calming effect - or that the agitating effect may even be useful in defusing what you might think of as Warming Stress - the tendency the world apparently has to vent extra energy in the weather system from global warming through localised violent weather rather than overall heating.

It's also possible that the calming effect of conventional buildings is damaging to the weather system around, causing desertification or moving rainfall, shifting conditions for farming as a city expands.

Need better modelling and so on, I fear...but the thing is, any shift towards sustainable power has to be considered positive unless a counter can be demonstrated.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:48 / 26.07.02
Tom: The turbines would be absorbing wind energy in order to turn it into power, not creating more wind energy. The effect would be to reduce overall wind velocity. Think of it like a sort of anti-fan.
 
 
Grey Area
15:22 / 27.07.02
This design principle is commendable in that it veers away from the current attitude towards wind power, which is to dot the landscape with hundreds of windmills. The fields around my home in Germany are dotted with wind farms, and they are an irritating eyesore. It makes sense to slot alternative power sources into our everyday structures...has no-one else ever thought of mounting strips of solar panels on those mirrored office buildings? I'm sure you could work some neat designs into the building front using the colour differences.
Or consider the possibility incorporating the wind tunnel principle into subways. The trains push a fair amount of air around the tunnels, and if you inserted wind tunnels that run parallel to the train tunnels, you could exploit the artificially generated wind.
 
 
grant
13:43 / 29.07.02
Nick: It's also possible that the calming effect of conventional buildings is damaging to the weather system around, causing desertification or moving rainfall, shifting conditions for farming as a city expands.

You mean like this?
 
 
grant
15:51 / 28.08.02
Or like this?

Unlike the rains in Spain, Texas downpours aren't staying on the plains. Heavy agricultural irrigation is driving them off course. Whether this benefits agriculture or harms the environment is not yet known.

As rainstorms reach an irrigated area of the High Plains of Northeast Texas, "they shut off, but pick up again once they get over it", says Stuart Rojstaczer of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.

 
 
pointless and uncalled for
20:46 / 28.08.02
The additional threat to birds, kites, small planes etc is insignificant. That's what chicken wire is for. Not very techno but it still works.

I'm suprised that birds were mentioned, these are creatures that have a very high survival instinct when it comes to stationary objects. Yes the blades move but they aren't travelling anywhere.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:35 / 23.05.07
Italian firm proposes to build self-powered 48-story apartment tower in Dubai. Power will come from horizontal turbines inserted between the floors—and the floors themselves will rotate independently around a central axis, meaning that the shape of the building itself will constantly be changing.

Plans and video in link. It's... it's pretty goddam mind-boggling, is what it is.
 
  
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