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The Age of Horus

 
  

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FinderWolf
02:59 / 11.07.02
I saw not one but TWO eye of horus symbols while walking around NYC today, and I had been thinking about learning more about Horus after hearing Grant Morrison and many other Barbelites talk about him.

This is supposed to be the Age of Horus now, right? Thus Grant's MARVEL BOY.

So tell a newcomer to Horus info. about this god of the next 100 years or so. Can we have a Horus 101? And why is this supposed to be the age of Horus?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
06:43 / 11.07.02
because aleister crowley said so.
 
 
grant
14:29 / 11.07.02
Horus: doctor, son of sibling/spouses Isis and Osiris.
Osiris is the reborn god, all torn up and put together again.

Horus, especially the "child Horus" (like the Baby Jesus), is elided with Harpocrates, the God of Silence. Whether or not Harpo Marx and Harpocrates are linked in anything other than a coincidental way is anyone's guess, but they're solidly linked in my head. The tricky mute with the big dumb smile.

According to this page, it was Horus, conceived after his father's death, who took control of Egypt back from Set, the murderer.

This page has other names and duties of Horus, including his history as a rival sun god to Ra.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:52 / 11.07.02
What was the age just before this one (if this is the Age of Horus)? And is there a predicted age AFTER Horus?
 
 
cusm
15:04 / 11.07.02
According to Crowley and such, at the beginnig of the Aeon he is to knock down the old regeime, destroy the old ways. Specificly the Catholic Church, but Crowley was a bit short sighted sometimes so you'll have that. Hence, all the stuff in Marvel Boy with him blowing shit up and destroying the ways of these barbarian savages so he can install a new reign of enlightenment. Thus, he's important in CM, which is all about doing that on a personal level.

Its the same old story, happens every aeon. Shit gets knocked down, better shit is build. Woo Revolution! Once that's done with, I believe his gimmick is that he unites the current dualities with a more enlightened perspective. One eye is Ra and the other Set, he is between and of both light and darkness. He brings the God and Goddess back into balance, by some common interpretations, justifying much neopaganry.
 
 
cusm
15:07 / 11.07.02
*scritches head*

I'm not too up on the aeon stuff, but I believe it went Isis (goddess/polythesim) to Ra (god/monothesim) and then to Horus. I think Toth is next, but its been awhile since I've looked at this stuff.
 
 
illmatic
16:40 / 11.07.02
Crowley said the world was "destroyed by fire" in 1904 when he recieved the Book of the Law thus heralding the aeon of Horus, of which he (conveniently) was chief prophet. The one before this was the Aeon of Osiris, the dying god, while Horus is the ever-coming one. I'm not sure if I quite grasp the difference myself but there you go. The new aeon was meant to signify a breaking down of all the old structures - church, empire, moral codes- that defined the previous few centuries to be replaced by whatever weird mess we're in now. Whether this is divine revelation or a load of old cobblers is up to the individual, of course, but it's certainly been a interesting century. Some Thelemites take the rather violent third chapter of the Book of the Law to be a prophecy of the two world wars.
As for what comes after - that's the kind of question which is subject to all kinds of controversy/boring pedantry in Thelemic circles depending on whether you're a fan of Kenneth Grant or not (I am, by the way, because his stuff is SO MAD!)Frater Achad, Crowley "magical son" for a while, declared the Aeon of Horus was superceded by the Aeon of Maat in 1948. KG (in an intoduction to Maat Magick by Nema) seems to suggest the aeons are what we project around us all the time rather than distict historical periods. Maat being space and silence rather than the activity of Horus.
I could bore you at great length on this but (luckily) all my KG books are in the loft, no doubt leaking ectoplasm into the boiler.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:01 / 11.07.02
Never read KG but my copy of "Nightside of Eden" is on its way any day now from Amazon–scary stuff! What should I expect?
Isn't it supposed to currently be a dual aeon of Horus/Ma'at?
Ah, blah, useless, blah.
I like Peter Carroll's version of aeonics also.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
22:39 / 11.07.02
Osiris = Center of speech
Horus = rearranged to Hours

Linda Goodman in her book STAR SIGNS states the numerology for the dieties as:

ISIS = 8
OSIRIS= 17
HORUS= 23
 
 
FinderWolf
02:20 / 12.07.02
>> I'm not too up on the aeon stuff, but I believe it went Isis (goddess/polythesim) to Ra (god/monothesim) and then to Horus. I think Toth is next, but its been awhile since I've looked at this stuff.

I was just thinking earlier this afternoon that the word "Toth" can be made out the letters of my name. Which made me think I want to learn more about Toth/Thoth.

Linda Goodman's numerology is certain apropo. I really keep seeing 23s all over the place lately!

Thanks for all the responses on this thread, this is exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to learn about the Age of Horus!
 
 
illmatic
09:16 / 12.07.02
Agree with you about (boy in a suitacase)re. Carroll's aeonics - I think there all good ideas to play with. let's all have our own aeons!
Re. "Nightside of Eden" - it's pretty bizarre and defintely an accquired taste but it's defintely got something about it. I find KG's strangeness really evocative in places, really frustrating and obtuse in others. I like the collision of all the different ideas in his books - Spare, Ch'an buddhism, Thelema, suspect egyptology etc.It's this obscurity that is, I suppose the kind of thing Pete Carroll was reacting against when he put together his Chaos magick ideas.
A more accessible route into KG's work is The Shadow Tarot by Linda Falario (her website is www.anandazone.com,) a tarot deck based on the Tunnels of Set, the second half of N of E, which is KG's expnasion of Crowley's Liber 231, his (very brief) work on the qlipoth. There's a great review of KG's stuff on Phil Hine's site, by the way.
A friend of mine, who was very into KG, once lent his copy to a rabbi, who described it as the "most dangerous book since Mein Kampf" so it must have something going for it!
 
 
illmatic
09:19 / 12.07.02
sorry! that link was incorrect
it's http://www.anandazone.nu/shadowtarot/

cheers
 
 
Sebastian
13:19 / 12.07.02
I really keep seeing 23s all over the place lately!


Hey HunterWolf, last night after dinner I looked at the kitchen watch and it had 23:23. My wife was talking to me and I kept the eye on the 23:23 while it made a quite long minute until 24 came.

So, what's the buzz with the Horus God? Are we all here going through our own intersubjective Aeon??

My dream pattern has quite noticeable changed, coupled with a more regular and intense physical (sport) activity in daily life.
 
 
Sebastian
14:21 / 12.07.02
And by the way, I received two books by RA Wilson precisely two days ago, books published by Falcon press which of course relates to Horus (see the beautiful falcon logo).
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
22:34 / 12.07.02
Horus- the terrible crowned and conquering child...rides on wings of fire over seas of blood...

Pretty grim picture, eh?

Let's go all out on this thread.

Osiris- destroyed by evil brother Set, sliced into 14 pieces and scattered throughout time.

Let's guess the 14 reincarnated pieces throughout history...
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
23:50 / 12.07.02
BTW- Sebastian, I have been noticing the caliber of posts and topics you have been writing. Keep it up, you are really coming into your own...

...I almost forgive you for Skid Row

Rex
 
 
Professor Silly
02:58 / 13.07.02
93,

The Harpocrates/Hoor-paar-kraat aspect of Horus can represent enlightenment. I suspect this has manifested in modern day curiousity aimed at playing with all previous methods and seeing just what works. Symbolized by the finger crossing closed lips--check out Ninth Gate with Johnny Depp and keep Horus in mind.

Speaking of which, Horus did indeed battle Set--Set took out Horus' eye, and Horus took Set's balls. Does that paint the picture? Sure I lost an eye...but I took his BALLS. that's war. who here DOESN'T like watching a good kung fu film, or maybe Braveheart. the brutality has an unspeakable truth.

I've read somewhere, although I do not remember where, the an aeon of Hathor (the cow-goddess) will come next. I've read elsewhere that one can think of Hathor as an empregnated Isis.

...i've been around pregnant women, and they seem fucking crazy. I don't suspect things will calm down in our lifetimes.

93, 93/93
dAb
 
 
Sebastian
19:46 / 15.07.02
Addendum: some notes on The eye of Horus
 
 
FinderWolf
18:12 / 16.07.02
>> Horus- the terrible crowned and conquering child...rides on wings of fire over seas of blood...

>> Pretty grim picture, eh?

I was re-reading MARVEL BOY recently and your above sentences really resonated with me. Reading it, I felt like 'geez, this is pretty hard-core. I almost feel uncomfortable rooting for Noh-Varr.'

Scattered into 14 pieces, huh? Interesting.....
 
 
cusm
18:44 / 16.07.02
Scattered, yes. But I thought Isis managed to find them all and stitch him back together again. All save his crotch, which was eaten by an alligator, if I remember the story right.
 
 
Logos
02:51 / 17.07.02
...which explains why he was sometimes known as "Grumpy Osiris" to his friends.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
00:50 / 20.07.02
The real hotspot of possible Horus symbology in NYC is Herald Square. There's a five entranced park, two of which have what appear to be fat eagles/hawks, in which is a statue of (are you ready for this?) HORACE Greeley. Behind him is a building containing a Korean store called "Galaxy" or something, and at the top is a relief frieze with spirals inside triangles. (There's also an eye of Horus symbol, sans pyramid, that is the logo for Time-Warner Cable, also made up of spirals.) We have to check it out again to try to spot any further significance, but something to consider: within about two months of one another, two separate cars jumped the curb near the park and mowed down people, one accidentally, one on purpose. Also, if you ride the N/W line towards Manhattan, if you look out the left side just before you enter the 39th St. station, nestled among the graffiti is a perfect eye of Horus in a pyramid.

Chevy, I think you're confused: we're supposed to be entering the aeon of Horus, not leaving it. Our lifetimes won't include dealing with a pregnant cow. Let's get past this whole eschaton thing first, shall we? The next ten years alone will be one wild fucking ride. Thrills and chills, delights for the whole family.

The question that weighs most heavily on my mind is, since we can't be certain what form the arrival of the aeon of Horus will take (though we are assured it will include a whole buttload of carnage), what reasonable steps should any one individual take to try to surf that wave of blood? I'm of the opinion that those in the know should be attempting to relearn agriculture, clothesmaking, various crafts that lend towards self-sustenance and non-reliance, not to mention martial arts, though one would hope the next aeon will make such "skills" obsolete.

Now, as a group, what should practitioners be doing to try to curtail the severity of the "friendly fascism" that precedes the reemergence of the time of the Female Energy? Or should we be? Perhaps we should be attempting to help it run its course, like trying to break a fever, so as to get it over with as expediently as possible. OR is there nothing we should be doing in that regard, save for trying to prepare as many people as will listen?

Gads, the air is thick, and I'm not just speaking of the humidity. The tension globally is so thick you can cut it with a chainsaw. The signs that something HUGE is coming down the pike seem to be everywhere you look, mostly in the form of the accepted norms of this epoch breaking down. Maybe I'm just looking harder, but 23's have been jumping out at me without my even trying. That, and I seem to be reading the time at 9:11 (be it morning or night) more frequently than one would expect. I can almost see energy now, almost feel it swirling all around me, feel it just barely coalesced into this form I find myself in. Soon I'll be able to differentiate between types. After that, I may learn how to convert those types from one to another using my own energy. I have no direct guide. I'm being pulled. Am I imagining this? Should I be afraid?

"You will be... you will be."
 
 
penitentvandal
12:29 / 23.07.02
Hmm...Relearning agriculture, clothesmaking, etc? I'm not so sure about that. I think you're taking things too literally, reading the collapse of the previous paradigm as the literal collapse of civilisation. Negentropic systems tend towards a higher state of coherence, remember (yes, I am re-reading Prometheus Rising, I've just put myself through a rather major memeplex shift and I'm working out what to stick in my new program): it's unlikely the New Aeon will reduce us back to the kind of barbarism that characterised the last epoch. (Unless we get that wyrd primitive/technoid mixture you get in Terrence McKenna's ideas - the spear-carrying tribesboy with a computer implanted in his retina - but that would be cool).

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...
 
 
Professor Silly
15:01 / 23.07.02
"Chevy, I think you're confused: we're supposed to be entering the aeon of Horus, not leaving it. Our lifetimes won't include dealing with a pregnant cow."

Nope, not confused. As a Thelemite, I date the beginning of the Age of Horus at 1904 e.v.
Since then we've had not only massive world conflict, but also a surge of "average people" searching for enlightenment without the crutch of organized religion. These two trends seem very "Horusy"...if you will. As for another aeon...who knows when we might enter it--could be a few more centuries.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
18:03 / 23.07.02
Re: Chevy: My knowledge of arcana is not solid enough that I would dare debate you. I don't even know where I'd begin.

To VV: No, I'm not saying that we're all going to Thunderdome, just that I think the importance of being able to take care of oneself and one's basic needs without the mediation of conglomerates is going to be among the foremost changes in attitudes in the coming times. I think current events are going to push our dependence on those few who hold power until there's a breaking point, after which those who need less from the ruling class will epitomize the "paradigm shift" (I know, I know, shoot me). Presently, we depend so much on a few sources for food, clothing, energy, shelter, etc. that they wield far too much influence over our daily activities and how we view the world and ourselves within it. Believe me, I'm not touting myself as the prototype for such an individual, at least not in my state at this time. As soon as my encrypted DNA programming sent back from the moment of my original death worms its way into my more influential subconscious and autonomic nervous system, then we'll see.

At the same time, current events would also seem to be setting us up for a breakdown in barriers, and a victory over those neuroses that cause us to ultimately do ourselves harm, both on a macro and micro scale. Little stories that we tell ourselves as to why we're better or, ironically more often, worse than any other group that tells different stories about themselves, which contribute to animosities over borders, religion, political ideologies, all of those are going to become irrelevant once we remember that stories have only as much influence over our lives now as we allow them to. Why is there quite so much conflict over this tiny piece of land in the Middle East called Israel? Because one group tells one story about that land, and another tells another story much like the first one only with some details changed, and a third group incorporates the first group's story into their story, so backing them up lends verity to their own story... you can spin me yarns about who has a better claim to that land than who, but the truth is that everyone is entitled to live where they are NOW. There's a difference between learning from experience and allowing hazy anecdotes from millennia ago decide the actions you take and who you'll hate. As much as we might teach The Golden Rule to our children, we never seem to operate on the policy that what makes us all alike is far more important than what makes us different, thus to harm another is akin to harming ourselves; such a perspective would put lie to so much that is taken for granted. We somehow believe this perspective is dehumanizing, when it is anything but: it is empowering, for we'd actually have to confront some fundamental operational irregularities in the species, and then stop making these excuses in the form of history and fable (the line between which is verrry fuzzy) and actually fulfill our promise.

Religions, nationalities, ethnicities, etc., these are all surrogates for the true unity, for they focus on superficial similarities for only the purpose of implementing the will of an autonomous few, easiest of which is to point the finger and say, "THEY'RE the ones holding us back from being the best we can be. Once we crush them beneath our heel, nothing will stand between us and glory." Yet none of them really understand what it is they're striving for. Much is made of a supposed Messiah, but no one takes the time to understand what the promised Rapture is: a release from the confines of one's social conditioning to make decisions based on how much good they can bring, be it to ourselves or others. (Yeah, I read Prometheus Rising recently, too, VV. ) Once you have no one but yourself to blame for your lot in life, you can either fold in on yourself and become an utterly comatose, supplicant baby, you can continue kidding yourself with external justifications for your actions, or you can rise above that and see the playing field from another vantage point and "yourself" within that field.

So yeah, that's what I think eschaton, the coming of the Aeon of Horus, the Age of Aquarius, the Great Big Tea-Time of the Soul (I know I'm misciting that, but fuck it), WHATEVER, that's what's going to carry us forward, if anything is.

VJB2
 
 
penitentvandal
10:54 / 27.07.02
Nice reply - I've been looking for an easy summary of why the Middle East situation is total bollox for ages, and your 'different stories' idea is miles simpler than many of my explanations (largely because, being an English major, I tend to overuse too many sesquipedalian verbal constructs...)

Interesting riff on people becoming more dependent on corporations et al as a step towards becoming less dependent on them. I have this theory that we're about to enter an age of corporate feudalism: you'll get your accomodation, your healthcare, your mobile phone, etc, from the company you work for, in return for which they will OWN YOU. The model, obviously, being the Japanese salaryman, but taken to extremes and warped through a western perspective - the usual fate of any oriental idea we import. The opposition to this corporate feudalism will consist of two main groups. Firstly, religious movements - both the traditional Big Boys (Christianity, Islam, etc) who can afford to set up their own schools, independent of the Corporate Call Centre Training Academies, and all sorts of Aum Shinryiko-style cults, who will latch onto the disillusioned. Secondly, a bunch of odd people with funny names and strangely-dyed hair who no-one understands, i.e. us...(I'm not saying 'no-one understands us' in a Slipknot-fan way; what I'm saying is that most of the corporate serfs will consider us to be babbling lunatics - sort of like Jack's sarcastic ripostes to Reynard in the last Invisibles: 'We 'ad personalities when ah were a lad...' &c)

Probably total bollocks as a prediction, like, but bare in mind I was extrapolating from the way the world looked last december. Obviously at that point I had no idea the stock market was going to fuck itself in the arse as effectively as it has recently.

As to your thing about ideological groups blaming other ideological groups for the bad things they do: yeah. It's the 'look what you made me do' story, isn't it?
 
 
FinderWolf
23:27 / 29.07.02
I keep seeing the AOL/TimeWarner Cable logo (which, as someone pointed out in this thread, is a stylized Eye of Horus) lots of different places lately. Horus sure is following me around!! What does it MEAN!?!?!
 
 
Professor Silly
04:36 / 30.07.02
...and I just did an Eye of Horus tattoo on an older guy's chest...last Sunday (Tuesday would've corresponded better, but oh well).
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
19:41 / 30.07.02
1)Scattered into 14 pieces, huh? Interesting- yes, throughout time at that! Osiris has been reborn 13 times (see Gnostic Gospels as well...this is a crazy topic, but I'll wait) and upon the final incarnation he is born in tact with all 13 personas inside him making him whole.ON A SIDE NOTE: Watching the papal mass here in T.O. for world youth day, there was a performance called " THE 14 STATIONS OF THE CROSS"...anyone know about these 14 stations? Wierd. Numbers are the secret language eh?

2) Would it be a wise or unwise move to get an eye of Horus tattoo?
 
 
cusm
20:00 / 30.07.02
The Stations of the Cross are a Catholic Easter prayer ritual. They depict the passion of Christ, that is, the whole condemnation, totrure, carrying of the cross, execution, and rise from the dead saga in 14 "stations". Many catholic churches have the stations as icons around the church. The priest processes through them, stopping at each station for the reading, prayer, and catholic aerobics of kneeling and standing.

The Osiris link is pretty apparent.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:31 / 30.07.02
Thakin ya vewy much CUSM.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
21:45 / 30.07.02
VV: Thanks for the compliment, though I too am an English major, though I'm one who discovered Doug Rushkoff at an early enough age that these things started breaking themselves down into their component parts for me long ago. As for my point on relying on corporations too much, I'm not sure whether you understood that I wasn't advocating reliance, but rather SELF-reliance, so that you needn't use the services of your Gaps and ADMs and ConEdisons, etc. In fact, an interesting idea that just suggested itself to me (I state it in those terms because over the last several months I feel I've been open to these concepts that are contained in the morphogenic field or genetic memory or akashic record or something) is that since the corps are starting to conquer the geography of the Internet by employing their own "troops" in the form of bankrolled hackers to attack their "competition," we may actually soon see a SECOND Internet, existing, for the most part, autonomously, perhaps without fanfare or publicity and relying on the good old BBSes that all of us who were online before the Net Boom lowered in '94 got on through as a network operating below the radar, spoken of only in whispers to those one knows is of the properly initiated and easily packed up and moved or modular enough to allow a node to be shed upon discovery.

Our minds are our own. Don't fuck with the Filth.

Still trying to determine whether the "recovery" of the stock market is either a dead cat bounce or perhaps numbers manipulated by the private organizations that the AmEx or NASDAQ are. After all, there's nothing that says that those numbers you see on CNBC or whatever aren't complete fabrications. In time, we may discover that Arthur Anderson and the like are only the tips of the iceberg and that the more you search for documentation of monetary exchanges, the more you realize it's all built on lies and OOPS, capitalism isn't this panacea the suits would have you believe. That may be another symptom of the dawning of the aeon of Horus.

Order is a temporary illusion; chaos is eternal, and quickly puts lie to Order. Life is risk, and attempts to minimize risk are placebos, distractions. This is why America is in for a very rude awakening, because unfortunately nine-eleven didn't really accomplish that; we're still in flailing, visceral reaction mode and introspection into causality is practically nil. We're going to learn, to our horror, that this idea of everlasting comfort provided by fatherly government and corporations (soon to be one and the same) is a farce built on an assumption that such people behind these forces are somehow better qualified to lead by merit of their being where they are. Pauvre, pauvre America... we will be the example, but not in the shining way we hoped.

This all I know as truth. I didn't read it in a book, except when I feel someone is feeling the same resonance I am. It is written in the air. If I had any sense, if I trusted my instincts more than I've been indoctrinated to do and was as unattached to the totems of my "life" as I am, I would have fleed this country more than a year ago. I fear it will soon be too late.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:05 / 01.08.02
Vlad...Are you the guy who did that weird, text-heavy Invisibles site that I checked out around, um, 1999 or so? That had the 'Internet Two' theory on it as well...

('Weird', he says. Like the other Invisibles sites were normal...)

I don't think relying on the corps is a good thing at all...I just have this theory that there will be an increase in corporate power before it dwindles away. The corporate neo-feudalism is basically the worst-case scenario: I think we might move some way towards it, but how far I don't know.

I reckon the Andersen/Enron/Worldcom/Xerox thing is probably the tip of the iceberg too. Having done my time with the multinationals (in telcoms, as well, where you'd think they'd understand the value of communication), I can confirm that the SNAFU principle is alive and well and thriving in the modern corporate environment. This is why I worry when Bleeeurgh and his ilk try to convince people that the private sector model is the best way to go...I've worked in the private sector and I know it's as fuctup as anything else!

Interesing that you mention the 11th...I've always tended to regard that whole thing as a symbolic, magical act, more than just a domestic strike. [Paranoid Hermeticist] Destroying the Pentagon wall unleashed the 'demon' of millitarism and war, which is why there seems to be so much conflict lately, while destroying the Towers was an attempt to fuck up Mammon and destroy the economic system. [/Paranoid Hermeticist] The relative success of these is open to question: unleashing the War Pigs seems to have blown up quite spectacularly in bin Laden's face, but the economic fuckery seems to have been more effective.

As to the AOL thing - has anyone ever tried using Connie (the AOL chick) as a godform/servitor? It sounds like an attractive proposition...
 
 
cusm
14:39 / 01.08.02
Internet II: Unnecessary. Virtual Private Networks have already begun to allow anyone to create a secure private network between peers over the existing Internet through encrypted communications. Already rising from the ashes of the old, building upon its bones. There will not be a second Internet, so much as many smaller networks riding upon the old one where necessary. Power to the individual awakened to hir potential. How very Horus, no?
 
 
Sebastian
14:49 / 01.08.02
Vladimir J. Baptiste, Jr:this idea of everlasting comfort provided by fatherly government and corporations (soon to be one and the same) is a farce built on an assumption that such people behind these forces are somehow better qualified to lead by merit of their being where they are.

Well, I've been waiting for this for years to come, so hail Horus then, and I continue to be amazed of how this pathetic assumption permeates everyone at every social, cultural and economical level. I mean, there is a completely flawed understanding of what a human being is, how you can appreciate humanity in an individual's actions and words, and what is a legitimate emotion and manifestation of it (I would not be in need of the word "legitimate" before saying emotion if things were different), and all these thanks in part to this judeo-christian hangover in our civlisation nook, and its wonderful offsprings such as the academic educational structure, science as-we-know-it, a nearly mummified but still around CoMMoN SenSe, and others

What strucks me as odd is even how people continue to fall under this assumption after hundreds of individuals had their elaborated public images literally destroyed through the ever growing media, still to get someone else come to their place and everybody goes to reset mode, and the whole crap repeats itself.
 
  

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