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Plan to invade Iraq leaked. (NOW WITH ADDED HINDSIGHT)

 
 
Baz Auckland
16:29 / 07.07.02
I missed this in the papers a few days back, but caught it again today here

I don't think this is very serious, given that a) I don't see Jordan or anyone else helping the US in their invasion. b) the plan for "250,000" coalition troops when no one seems to support it (yet). and c) the rebirth of the term "elite republican guard".
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
00:26 / 08.07.02
"elite" as in turn and flee at the first sign of trouble instead of surrender
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:14 / 08.07.02
Fuck's sake...

Do you actually have a single worthwhile, informed opinion, idea or clue, mole boy, or is your sole function and sole ability to chant rhythmically "USA! USA!" Because there is a WWF/WWE thread in TV, Film and Theatre that could probably accomodate you.
 
 
netbanshee
01:33 / 08.07.02
...or it might be tongue-in-cheek conjecture...hmmm..?

Overall, it doesn't make me happy to hear about this as it feels like someone's picking a fight but who didn't think that this would happen. I'm just curious if public awareness has caused an overall difference in opinion over the matter.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
01:53 / 08.07.02
I think the plans were leaked for one reason...to scuttle the talks about re-admitting inspectors...just like the whole story about Saddam's stepson being arrested.

The US will attack Iraq when Bush's approval rating dips below 60%.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
02:58 / 08.07.02
Just a joke, figured I piss in someone's cheerios...but it is true.

In the Gulf War the Republican Guard got to sit way behind the lines while the poor conscripts were sent up front to either get crushed or surrender...so not really all that impressive. The Republican Guard is given special consideration in these military deals because they are the ones that want to be in the army in the first place, not that they are crack commandos with laser rifles and shit.

I guess my point is the Guard is "elite" compared to the rest of the Iraqi forces...but still nothing more than a fart in the general direction of the USA! USA! USA!
 
 
Baz Auckland
06:22 / 08.07.02
From a Bill Hicks transcript:

"Remember how it started, they kept talking about 'the Elite Republican Guard' in these hushed tones like these guys were the bogeymen or something. Yeah, we're doing well now, but we have yet to face-THE ELITE REPUBLICAN GUARD. Like these guys were twelve feet tall, desert warriors. KRRASH. NEVER LOST A BATTLE! KRRASH. WE SHIT BULLETS! Yeah, well, after two months of continuous carpet bombings and not one reaction at all from them, they became simply, 'the Republican Guard.' Not nearly as elite as we may have led you to believe. And after another month of bombing, they went from 'the Elite Republican Guard' to 'the Republican Guard' to 'the Republicans made this shit up about there being guards out there'
 
 
Naked Flame
11:25 / 08.07.02
also from bill hicks: 'Oh, the Iraqis, terrible weaponry, terrible. How do we know? Uh, well... we looked at the receipt.'
 
 
Baz Auckland
09:13 / 09.07.02
I think the scariest bit of this is not the US's intention to carry this off, but the fact that it doesnt seem like they'll be able to unless they go it alone.

The scary bit being if next year, they've managed to get NATO, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. on board to carry this out. Right now it seems impossible and I hope it stays that way.
 
 
MJ-12
03:49 / 10.07.02
tried to let this go. drunk. can't

1. the Hicks routine suggests that the term "Elite" was used wrt to the RG in the Gulf War to build them up as a big scary things, but I've got papers from '84 identifying them as such, though I'll grant that this is to some degree v. the human waves uses by Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.

2. While I'm a Big Fan of Hicks, he really couldn't read a calendar. Instant Thunder ran 5 weeks, not three months.

3. While the US gave intel support to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war, and did a pretty hefty amount of business with them (Haliburton), actual military sales to the Iraqis from the US were near negligible. A national security directive was put forth just before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait suggesting opening up arms sales to Iraq of medical gear, minesweeping training and the possibility of installing countermeasure on Saddam's personal aircraft. The notion that the US armed Iraq (conventional forces)idoesn't stand. If you refer to we as the west (Britain -- bunkers, France -- MIrages & the KARI air defense network, Sweden -- anti-aircraft missiles), then maybe. But the notion that the Iraqi military was supplied by Lockheed, et al, is horseshit.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:13 / 28.11.03
*bump*

Point 1- thought it'd be interesting, as per Tom's suggestion in the Conversation, to resurrect some old threads and look at them in the light of recent events.

Point 2- Yeah, there's tons of threads on Iraq back there, but given the limitations of the search function, this was the best I could come up with.

OK... ja, ja, and on with the musik!

OK, so it's happened now. And the WMD evidence has failed to materialise. (Indeed, we even had Blair brushing it aside by saying- and I paraphrase- "oh well, they've probably given them to terrorists. Comme ci, comme ca.")

Depending on who you listen to, Iraq is currently anywhere between being an incubator for democracy, or a breeding ground for terrorists. Personally, I figure the truth's probably somewhere in the middle- an odious dictator is probably gone, but there's a whole load of people gathering to kill "our boys", and probably further destabilise the Middle East. Whether one outweighs the other is largely a matter of opinion, I reckon.

My opinion tends to veer towards the pessimistic... Mr Tony and Mr George have somehow managed the impossible. They've managed to give (secularist) Saddam loyalists common ground with Islamist militants. And I can't see how that could be a good thing.
 
 
Baz Auckland
13:25 / 28.11.03
In retrospect, it's creepy that last July it seemed (at least to me) that it would never happen as the USA had to international support. They did it anyway, and are now paying for it with the mess currently going on in Iraq...

..the creepy bit is that the ideas of the USA invading Syria/Iran seem equally impossible and unlikely now, but a year from now? Invade Iraq to distract from the economy, invade Syria to distract from Iraq...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:09 / 28.11.03
the ideas of the USA invading Syria/Iran seem equally impossible and unlikely now

I think the creepy bit is that they sound all too plausible. The only thing, imho, stopping the Bush/Blair axis of wankers is the financial, humanitarian and public relations cost of the ongoing Iraq farrago. But now the oil's flowin' again... all bets are off.

Of course, China is never gonna be a target. Despite being guilty of pretty much everything the West has ever used as an excuse to bomb SMALLER countries. Except terrorism. Nebulous term, that.
 
  
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