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It's all a conspiracy!

13:29 / 04.11.01

No really! The CIA did it. Here's an e-mail I just got, apols for any cross-posting:

To all of my Fellow Decent American Friends !

WHY DID MAINSTREAM MEDIA "VOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDER
TRADING THAT PROFITED OFF THE 9-11 HORROR," AND THEN SUDDENLY . . .
DROPPED THE STORY? DOES IT LEAD TO ELEMENTS OF THE CIA? SOUNDS
INSANE, BUT READ ON.

PLEASE USE the WORK I'VE DONE. I spent days putting together the
below contact list of emails and fax numbers, and the information to
send out, because WE MUST FORCE Congress and the Media to get to the
bottom of this. I am not asking you to believe this on its face,
I am urging you to read the information, and think for yourself.
Those who perished on 9-11 deserve that.

BELOW ARE SOME DISTURBING REPORTS THAT THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS MUST
LOOK INTO:

· The insider trading profits made off the tragedy now may lead to an
investment house chaired by the #3 man at the CIA. Is this why it
was DROPPED by the media when they realized it wasn't Arab Terrorists
who played the stock. http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html . Info confirmed by
Independent Newspaper in UK: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?
story=99402

· ABC News.com's May, 2001 story exposes recently released documents
that showed the US Joint Chiefs of Staff actually planned to foment
domestic terrorism to whip Americans into a pro-war frenzy. This was
in the 60's but it shows that the highest echelons of our govt. have
actually considered terrorizing their own people for political gain. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

* The French Newspaper, Le Figaro reports the CIA met with Bin Laden
in Dubai, in July 2002, only 2 months before the
9-11 horror. A German translation of this report can be found at: http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html

Consider why Anthrax was sent to the top Democrat's office? Wouldn't
foreign terrorists want to "divide" our nation, rather than "uniting"
the opposition behind the war effort? (food for thought, considering
that reports reveal the Anthrax strain sent to Daschle's office more
resembles Anthrax created by the US military than that of Iraq or
Russia). [New Scientist | 19:00 24 October 01 Anthrax Bacteria Likely
to Be US military Strain Debora MacKenzie ]

*********************

03:12 / 05.11.01

I've read it all and you're clearly rather over-excited if you think of that is proof of anything. So the mysterious traders used a house chaired by some guy in the CIA, hardly evidense of specefic knowledge of the forthcoming attacks.
You got something pulled from the 60's which is totally unattached to the 9/11 events.
And something from a French rag that has been denied. Possibly sick profiteering bullshit journalism to increase readership.
quote:WHY DID MAINSTREAM MEDIA "VOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE INSIDER
TRADING THAT PROFITED OFF THE 9-11 HORROR,"
Did they? Wasn't really a grand high drop everything else decree.

Please calm down and pal, starting off with "To all of my Fellow Decent American Friends!", ain't exactly going improve your credibility rating.

16:25 / 05.11.01

Er, should have used % marks; I was being sarcastic. I just wanted responses from people who are more knowledgeable and interested in stuff like this than me. And it was the e-mail which started off "my decent American friends", not me!

18:44 / 05.11.01

Well it seems to me that the evidence presented here is more solid than the evidence that has been released by the US and UK governments "proving" bin Laden's involvement in the September 11th bombing.

18:47 / 05.11.01

If I was more of a clever shaved monkey I would check to see what happened to Carlylse company shares (dodgy spelling me thinks)
The industrial military complex are making a killing.
PEACE

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Wize Dragon ]

21:31 / 05.11.01

hmm. i never doubted for a minute that american/western businessmen made money out of this. the insistence that it was 'only' terrorist groups had me snorting with derision.

12:04 / 06.11.01

But siruisly- why won't our governments release the evidence they say they have against Bin Laden? That's your conspiracy right there. Theories on a postcard please.

12:38 / 06.11.01

and if so why is this not a criminal investigation? i assume there is no evidence whatsoever against the civilians already killed in afghanistan....

14:32 / 06.11.01

Naked Flame, at least according to the US representatives they have not manifested proof because to do so would would reveal too much to Osama's pals about what US intelligence knows.

16:44 / 06.11.01

Originally posted by Naked Flame:

Why won't our governments release the evidence they say they have against Bin Laden?

Playing Devil's Advocate here:

It's possible that they have a double agent either in or close to Osama's group, and to release the full intelligence would lead this person to be discovered and therefore compromised.

To do this would

a: endanger the agent - I'd say this would probably lead to death fairly quickly, you know;
and
b: therefore stop the flow of information about Osama et al's future activities, thereby endangering others.

It is also probable, under the agent scenario, that if the agent/s who provided this information are operating outside of Bin Laden's immediate circle, they are in a vloatile political climate - for example, Pakistani intelligence is allegedly known to have close links to Osama.

To reveal that a Pakistani agent had been helping bring about his downfall could set off major unrest in the country.

Therefore, they aren't releasing what they know, just to keep their agents safe.

Either that, or they have no evidence other than, 'Well, he's done stuff like this before.'

Your call.

17:14 / 06.11.01

I'd concur with your analyses, folks, but I still have a problem with not knowing the evidence.

quote: It's possible that they have a double agent either in or close to Osama's group, and to release the full intelligence would lead this person to be discovered and therefore compromised.

Very possible. However, they don't need to give names- and I'd like to think that the US is capable of protecting their agents in the field, even if that means that they don't get to be in the field anymore.

The only circumstances in which released information should compromise the viability of this double agent character would be if the information leak could have had no other source. In other words, only if information that could convict Bin Laden had been passed to this specific person only would that person be definitely at risk.

If it was passed to two or more people, which one does Bin Laden execute? And if it was only passed to one, why the fuck didn't that information save 6000+ lives on 9/11?

quote: It is also probable, under the agent scenario, that if the agent/s who provided this information are operating outside of Bin Laden's immediate circle, they are in a vloatile political climate - for example, Pakistani intelligence is allegedly known to have close links to Osama.

Yes. One possible reason is that the information-gathering techniques are politically sensitive or deeply suspect.

What I'm concerned about is this latter possibility, and how far it goes in fact.

Did the US intelligence know about this attack in advance? How much did they fund Bin Laden/Al Qa'eda/Taliban? How many Government dollars went to funding the WTC attacks?

These are not the questions that keep me awake at night. The only one that does is 'Why am I living in an alleged democracy that declares war on another country without public debate or justification?'

Edited cos ubbcode is a tricksy beast.

[ 06-11-2001: Message edited by: Naked Flame ]

13:02 / 27.01.03

Here's another conspiracy something I just got via email:

Check this out:
http://www.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

It's an executive order from Governor Jeb Bush instructing the Florida National Guard to start anti-terrorism training.

Now, check out the date. (It's at the bottom.)

15:45 / 27.01.03

It could be a coincidence, grant. Or not. Me, I'm a big fan of terrorist conspiracies, and I find it unbelievable that the U.S. was "completely surprised" by 9/11. Not to mention, of course, that we were all ready planning a war with Afghanistan as far back as summer of 2001.

Personally, I think Bin Laden's on the U.S. payroll, but that's me.

16:25 / 27.01.03

Grant, I think that link is a scam. If you try to go to any other part of that site, it send you to a totally different website.

18:41 / 27.01.03

Nah, it works. If you do an Executive Order search from the main Florida State gov't page, looking for Sep 2001, the order 01-261 shows up just the same.
The site is riddled with bad links, but it's for real.

01:53 / 28.01.03

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

Quote:

CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.