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Idiot's guide to Cabbalism

 
 
Sax
11:30 / 03.07.02
Anyone of you hip young spell-slingers here provide me with one? Words of one syllable or less would be nice.
 
 
Ganesh
11:41 / 03.07.02
They call it 'long pig' but it reputedly tastes like chicken.
 
 
Sax
11:48 / 03.07.02
If this turns into a thread based around weak puns on the word cabbalism I'm going to come down to London and slash all your leather trousers, elephant boy.
 
 
Trijhaos
12:07 / 03.07.02
This Kabbalah Faq answers some basic questions about the kabbalah.

Are you just looking for online resources? What exactly do you want to know about the kabbalah?
 
 
Sax
12:12 / 03.07.02
A bit about the world view, some stuff on Enochian language, practical applications of the system. I want to be able to easily understand the basics for a fiction project.

And thanks for the link - that's very useful.
 
 
Zebbin
01:31 / 04.07.02
I think this is a really great site:
http://www.byzant.com/kabbalah/
 
 
odd jest on horn
04:14 / 04.07.02
http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/

especially "Notes on Kabbalah"
 
 
Lilith Myth
06:59 / 04.07.02
Just checked out Trij's Kabbalah FAQ link. It's interesting, but you should know that not all the historical facts about Judaism are accurate. It's not bad, it just doesn't quite get it; the stuff about women/ashkenazi/sefardi is not quite right, and I think the majority of scholars now follow Scholem's 12th century view, rather than the previous first century start.
 
 
Sax
12:08 / 04.07.02
Any links to different viewpoints, Lilith?
 
 
Lilith Myth
23:15 / 07.07.02
Working on this, will get back to y'all
 
 
grant
20:14 / 17.12.02
*bump*

Would it be nice if we had a Barbelith Guide to the Sephiroth, similar to the guides to runes & the tarot??
 
 
iconoplast
20:49 / 17.12.02
Yes, please, grant -

A 'lither's guidebook series would be all kinds of ginchy.

The Tarot (With those cool custom cards someone made)
The Kabala and/or Sephirot
The I Ching(?)
Enochian

Someone keeps talking about a Magic FAQ, so I assume that'll have a link to those pages on sigils everybody uses.

And I can' t think of anything else.
 
 
LVX23
01:31 / 18.12.02
Here's my grokage in a nutshell:

Kabbalah (in it's modern form) is generally thought to have been developed around the 12th century, though some suggest it came about around the 8th, while others maintain that it is far older, dating around 1 C.E. or even further back in the life of Melchizedic. The term "Kabbalah" (this is but one spelling) refers to a Hebrew system of knowledge used to interpret the Torah. The Sefer Yetzira and Book of Zohar are the prominent texts on the system. Judaic scholars maintain that one should live at least 40 years before even beginning to study it's teachings, though this hasn't stopped many of the non-traditional types among us.

The core of the Kabbalah is two-fold:
1) The Hebrew alphabet, it's correspondences, and it's numerical valuations
2) The glyph of the Tree of Life composed of ten Sephiroth (or Spheres), 22 Paths between the Sephiroth, and 3 layers of Godhead bounding the Tree

The Tarot is a representation of the Tree of Life, it's Spheres and it's Paths. I would recommend laying out the Tarot in the form of the tree of Life. Much understanding will ensue, especially if you use Crowley's Thoth deck.

The letters of the Hebrew alphabet each have both a meaning and a value, and one form of Kabbalistic interpretation seeks to find correspondences and deeper meanings by the numeric valuations of words and names, particularly those that occur in the old testament. It is said that the unknowable name of God lies somewhere within this Kabbalistic interpretation of the Torah (see the movie "Pi" for one take on this).

The Tree of Life is a diagram of the levels of existence/awareness, manifest by the Sephiroth, from the material plane of Malkuth (the 10the Sephiroth) moving up the Tree, via the Paths, to the Crown, Kether (the first Sephiroth). In one way it is a map of creation; in another it is a guidbook for illumination. Beyond the Crown are three levels of the Godhead - unknowable and inconceivable since they are totally beyond duality.

As a map of creation, here's the basic gist:

There is that which is beyond everything and nothing, and even beyond these concepts or any idea of a concept (think of this as the universe before the Big Bang - way before). By an act of universal will, nothing focuses to become a single point of infinite white light and creates a volume of infinite radius and no center. This is Kether, the Crown and first Sephiroth - it is barely knowable in any empirical sense because it is beyond the duality of the Thing and the Seer of the Thing: both are the same.

Yet Kether cannot know form so it divides, first into Chokma - Wisdom - then Binah - Understanding. These can be superficially regarded as Male/Female, Energy/Form, Yan/Yin, or any other fundamental dualistic interplay of opposites. But the notion is that Kether focuses the energetic forces of light, the action of creation, into Chokma, which then seeds the formative womb of Binah (also known as the sea). These three Sephirot constitue the Supernal Triad - those spheres which are wholly outside the realm of direct human experience for all but the most disciplined and ascetic individuals. As such, these are said to be "above the Abyss".

From this duality proceeds all the forms, ideas, and characteristics of the human experience of nature. Without going into each of the remaingin spheres separately (you can do that on your own...I mean, they are Mysteries after all!), there is one Sephiroth that is most notable in the descent to Malkuth (or ascent to Kether). The sixth sphere, Tipareth, is the Heart and it is the heart of the Christos, the one who holds all of creation in the highest regard of agape. It is the core of the adept's path amongst the spheres (Crowley accorded this stage with receiving the conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel). It is the point of alligning with one's truest state in the unfolding eternity of time. However, it should be noted that one can bypass the heart and still pass thru the abyss into the supernals by other paths, but crossing the Abyss without the knowledge of Tiphareth impels oblivion and destruction. Hence, Love is the Law, Love under Will.

Whew, that's all I can muster at the moment. Too many distractions here right now.

Cheers!
 
 
LVX23
01:42 / 18.12.02
Oh yeah, the Enochian thing is a whole 'nother deal. I don't know a whole lot about this stuff but, other than Crowley's work, there doesn't seem to be any tangible connection between the Enochian system/language and the Kabbalah (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Enochian was a language that Dr. John Dee supposedly transcribed during a skry - I believe he had an assistant but I can't recall the name at the moment. It is supposed to be the language of angels, the names of the Seraphim and the entire Holy Host. There are correspondences which create a map of the dimensional layers and the gates and watchtowers between them, all composed of the Enochian alphabet. Crowley and Victor Neuberg went to Algiers and to explore the aethyrs (layers, realms, personalities) of this Enochian Universe. Crowley went into trance and received a vision of each Aethyr which was a description of it's attributes. He then compiled these visions and the maps used to see them into The Vision and the Voice.

Very interesting reading but, as I said, I still don't have a very good grasp on his Enochian stuff and I'm pretty sure it has little to do with Kabbalah, except for the correspondences that Crowley has derived (see 777).
 
 
The Monkey
03:35 / 18.12.02
So.

As a Jew, I wondering why exactly the Qabbalah is any of your business. I mean, we're speaking of a mysticism that functions to interpret the Torah and explain the interaction between the Tetragrammaton and the Chosen People. Furthermore, the Qabbalah is considered dangerous knowledge that shouldn't be chucked about to just anyone, and is regulated even within the community. It's appearance in a larger metaphysical public is precedented upon theft and extortion from its owners by third parties, and while we are speaking of crimes stretching back to the Inquisition, why is it okay to perpetuate that rape by continuing to circulate that information bowdlerized from its context and also from the prepatory understanding that gave it power?
 
 
LVX23
05:54 / 18.12.02
Wow. Some heavy baggage there...

Information wants to be free. And, above all, love wants to be free.

As far as I'm concerned, we are ALL the Chosen People. There are no "owners" of the Kabbalah. There is no bloodline, lineage, race, creed, or religion that will keep me from embracing any idea that makes me feel in accord with the world around me, that makes me see the beautiful magick that pervades creation, in spite of the murder, famine, disease, and corruption that constantly assails me.

I am not a Jew. I have studied Kabbalah for 10 years and I still know very little about it. I don't wield it foolishly, I keep it close to my heart. It has made me a better person though it is but one of the many paths I've ben drawn to in the search for understanding. There is no right or reason to keep this hidden, though perhaps I gave away too many of the secrets...

All things renewed by fire, eh?
 
 
The Monkey
07:26 / 18.12.02
Fear not, Chris23, I'm not harassing you in particular. My Jewish-ness is pretty nominal--more of an instilled-culture-from-childhood thing (thanks Grandma, but now can you explain why you married a skeezy Rom truck driver and faked being a Gypsy fortune-teller?) than a profound belief (my family is magnificently diverse and ideologically flexible. Thanks Grandpa.), so the question is not as affect-loaded as it initially appears.My interest is complicated, relating to my own academic study of ethnic violence and the postcolonial models of the appropriation of culture knowledge. I guess what is interesting is perceiving the form of justification cited for the forced democritization of knowledge...which is particularly interesting in the realm of the occult/mystical/religious, where there are so many indigenous culture/groups/communities with a strong sense of secrecy and selective distribution of knowledge, yet a Western consuming audience that seemingly contradictorally (claims to) respect indigenous traditions, yet transgresses the rudimentary codes of "tapu" and secrecy that govern so many of the latter's esoteric traditions.

What fascinates me is how extra-indigenous students of regionalized or ethno-specific occult practices justify the violation of the central tenets of the practices they are appropriating. It is, in a way, akin to both the alluring and repugnant aspects manifest in the old model of "Orientalism": the interloping postulant both gets their cake and eats it, too. There is an imperialism to this assertion of unilateral "democratic" distribution of information thrust upon indigenous systems that do not agree. Yet Freedom is Right, and therefore nonconsensual appropriation of information is justified. It seems to me that something akin to the Rosenthal or Hawthorne effects is occuring within this interchange: the non-indigenous individual is attaining knowledge by conduits deemed unacceptable by the originators of that knowledge for purposes deemed questionable...so what is our perpetrator obtaining beyond ego-actualization, nominally ritualized? By opting out of the emic [in-culture] responsibility-, worthiness- and obligation- aspects of esoteric knowledge, the postulant is missing ninety percent of the point *as perceived by the emic/originating culture*.

Note that last bit, because it's important: what I'm saying is that input equals output: the non-indigenous postulant pursues knowledge to fulfill a set of internal need-wants that have little to do with the in-culture function and use of esotery. Most people import their basal values into a appealing ritual framework...*yet* maintain an internal sense of authenticity to the original. Indeed, the sense of continuity with the indigenous is an actualization need of itself, a consumption item that has become more valued as people are further displaced from a sense of cultural or local rootedness. They are fabricating a temporal and cultural sense of continuity, yet the ends of the project necessitate conscious denial of the project itself. The most obvious manifestation of this is the focusal shift from interdependency and community values/norms to the locus of the self and the sustenance of the former.

In the current postmodern state of America and Europe there is an intellectual consumption demand for esoteric "truths" that is fulfilled by a variety of products and services. Part of this activity is the routine dredging of materials from cultures that are "other" relative to the context of the modern consumer...thus raising the issue of what is being "purchased" (either in the sense of cash transaction or time devoted to study). Most indigenous cultures have been exoticized to create a consumable (and materially purchasable) idea-product. In a lot of cases the natives themselves have much to gain from the process (often while maintaining a bemused and amused seperation between their actual lives and their "performances" for audiences). Various cultures - Rom, US Natives, Celts, etc., etc. - have become shorthand for pseudo-Rousseauian archetypes of wish-fulfilment and self-actualization desires manifested by industrialized, Christian-enculturated Western man. The interesting part is the maintainance of the fine balance of exoticism and reinforcing familiarity: the truly different aspects of other cultures (and their thought systems) are underplayed, while ideals from the consuming (Western) culture are falsely presented as concretized/manifest in the cultural "other." It is both the myth and the shuck-and-jive of the Tasaday controversy, played out on the field of consumption culture.
 
 
The Monkey
07:29 / 18.12.02
Also, watching erudite goy/gaje jump through hoops to justify their vision of gnosis is just dead funny. Y'all are crazy.
 
 
illmatic
07:56 / 18.12.02
hey Monkey: Just thought I'd chime in. An interesting thing about this whole debate is the the appropriation of Qabala by Christians/Gentiles is nothing new, as I'm sure you're aware.

I read Francis Yates's "The Occult Philoshphy in the Elizabethian Age" recently. Her main arguement is that a "Christian Qabala" was developing in Spain at the end of the fifteenth century and was intended to function as a syncretising force between Jews, Catholics and Potestants, if I recall correctly.(I don't feel qualified to argue if this was simple attempt at "conversion" or whatever - she seems to suggest it was something more complex). Very much tied in with the Reformation, and later got stomped all over by the forces of the Counter-Reformation. This counter-reformation reaction is also the origin of the myth of the Evil Magus/Black Magician cf. John Dee through Marlowe's Dr Faustus.

I'm aware that Qabala as practised in the Jewish community is very different from "Western" Qabalah, just pointing out the latter has a long and complex history.
 
 
grant
14:20 / 18.12.02
It might be interesting to overlay this thread with some of the currents in the Christian BBS... fundamentalists who are *very* into Hebrew literacy and readings of the Torah, to the point where they're practically more Jewish than some of the Jews I know (religiously speaking).

At root, I think a lot of them have the feeling that they're the true inheritors of God's truth because they follow the Messiah (Jesus), while the actual descendants of Abraham didn't, for the most part. The Jewish people (generally meaning, in discussions on that site, the Israelis) are Chosen but not Saved, in their view - different from the rest of us because God always keeps His word (the covenant that their descendants would always be consecrated to the Lord).

Which is a fancy way of saying I'm not sure Christians *aren't* Jews, in some sense. Same God, same Torah. Different epistemology. Ethnic Jews would say no, but some Christians would say yes.

I'm wondering what "prepatory understanding" would be necessary for understanding the Kabbalah... I imagine a lot of Hebrew and readings of midrash, but is there anything else?
 
 
LVX23
15:27 / 18.12.02
Wow, this thread has taken a really cool turn. I'm loving you're insights, Monkey (although I was fearing your rebuttal, assuming you were some form of zealot)...You've really raised some very important issues - issues that I haven't even addressed until now. I am generally very aware of and sensitive to appropriation/exploitation/commodification of indigenous resources but, oddly, I have never thought of such usage with respect to epistemological/ontological traditions. I can easily see the sense of cultural rape, or at least the dilution of tradition and value, that would be resultant of such global spiritual consumerism.

I'll chew on this on the way to work and get back to the Forum a bit later...

Cheers,

Chris
 
 
The Monkey
16:11 / 18.12.02
Okay personal opinion rather than dry analysis: I find the collision and reinterpretation of knowledge as it deseminates from its origin point to be a fascinating process, and generally A Good Thing. Sometimes a frustrating thing, when my internal stickler points out exactly *how* fast meaning in ritual can change as it passes hands (especially when I liked the original form), but better than stagnation.

As for formal qualifications--again, not that qualified from personal experience in the faith: a baal shem 'tov would probably die laughing if I put my name in the ring.

Quite honestly, and shifting out of gadfly gear, the study of the Qabbalah used to be regulated by stuffy, conservative ideas of who is "in" and "out." Basically, it's supposed to be thing for educated, community-respected males (thhbbt to that) who get the okay via consent a master or a straw-poll of other students.

Illmatic - Francis Yates rules. "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" is a wonderful book that I see to be able to apply to everything I learn.

Illmatic/grant - what went on in Spain is contested and confusing, because it really comes down to fine gradations of historical time, limited sources from varied perspectives, etc.

With the cases of the Maranos/Recidivos (respectively Jews that converted and those that faked converion...in the end they all got stomped) around 1492 and after there is most definitively clandestine religion: the concealment of continued Jewish practices continuous with the public performance of Christian ones. De facto syncretism is a little harder to quantify in terms of religious practice: after all there is immense overlap of mythology/hagiography between Judaism and Christianity, so the question would be to what degree *double meaning* was developing in the public Christian ritual forms (as was the case in syncretic Afro-Caribbean religion).

Secondly, Christian Qabbalah was never that widely a disseminated concept...it stuck within a very educated [whether clerical or academic] crowd, just as Hebrew Qabbalah was isolated to a limited community (of respected males) within the Jews of Spain. During the Spanish Inquisition the surrender of Hebrew texts by the forcibly-converted Jews was on-going...and incorporated within that process was a rough-and-ready business of procuring rare Qabbalic texts (by force or theft) for resale to occult scholars outside of the Jewish community.
(There is an excellent fictional work, "The Last Cabbalist of Lisbon," by Joseph Kimmler, that is a sort of mystic detective story covering the time period. Worth reading, I assure you.)

Of course, a Christian mystic through the time of Reformation, Counter-Reformation (contemp. with the Renaissance) would be held as heretical (or, at least, Missing The Point) by the orthodox of all parties: Jews, Protestants, and Catholics, and thus would already be an outlier. Mystical groups (most being Gnostic-Hermetic derived traditions) practiced autodidacticism akin to that advocated by Luther...but not merely of the Bible as a the single [only] source of knowledge. Similarly, there tendency to interrogate the nature (and divisibility) of God and his order flew in the face of Catholic dogma set out fest in the Councils of Nicea (reinforced by current rulings such as the Diet of Worm.
 
 
at the scarwash
18:30 / 18.12.02
I agree with monkey, no so much about the latter-day Rousseauian stuff, but that Kaballah probably works a lot better if you're a Jew. I think however, that it's a fascinating approach to language and textual structure (Borges, Harold Bloom). I wish I knew Hebrew, just so that I could actually understand somewhat of what the Kabbalists were getting at. As someone who writes, the idea of extratextual relationships between words and sounds is very fascinating to me. If Kaballists were the ones who started thinking in these pathways, why the hell shouldn't we appropriate them?
 
 
cusm
20:20 / 18.12.02
I see two quaballa (and an endless variance in its spelling ) in my studies. One, the escoteric system understood by western occultist of the sepheroth and paths, and the use of such for meditation, gnosis, ritual correspondence, mystical experience, the understanding of creation, the mind of God, the path of developing transcendence, and all that. The other, is the numerological gemetra used by rabbis in study of the Torah. There is a division there, as the occultist who uses the symbols of the tree usually does not also use the letter correspondences to pick apart sections of the torah looking for sekret codes that reveal the names of angels or hidden meanings or whatever it is rabbis are looking for in there. Granted, the jew will see these as connected, while the occultist may not be so interested in studying the torah, so much as the tree.

The Tree and the Torah. One is the fruit of the other. But western occultists use only the Tree. If there is an element of quaballa that is private to the Jews, it is the study of the Torah. That, you really have to be a Jew for. Though the symbols of the tree half are universal, and can be understood by all.

Now, I do note that the Torah aspect of quaballa DOES exist today in western occultism. Only, its usually Lieber All that is studied in this manner. Appropriate, that the tree should find roots among the new people who study its mysteries in the same way. I think because of this, the western traditions are just as valid, though it is the mysteries of western culture that are revealed here and no longer those of the tribes of Israel. It is the mysteries of the new Aeon, as Crowley might say. And to that end, the English quaballa is the natural result, making these stolen secrets ones again indigineous to the people who study them.

Of course, this practice still draws upon the belief that all knowlege is contained in the One Book, which is a distinctly dated view of the previous aeon, and one I do not care for. Nothing penned by the hand of man, be it divinely inspired or not, holds all the answers.

Today, the work is in the comparason and incorporation of wisdom from all cultures. The western path of occultism is in many ways one of comparative religion, as begun by the Theosophical society. If the collected works of man are compared, one can see more clearly how they all point to God, and thus come to more universal understandings of things, not limited by tribal boundries. Western occultism (especially in the chaos sense of today) is a melting pot of the stolen secrets of everyone we could find, and the best memes rise to the top. And among the top of them is yet the model of the Tree of Life. That is certainly notable.
 
 
Wyrd
20:28 / 18.12.02
Ah, the interesting synchronicities of life and the Barbelith board. I've been recently urged (to use a polite term) to start some research into the Kabbalah/Qabalah, and for feck's sake, Thelema/Hermetic stuff. All so far removed from my normal magical paths. But, hey, I know better to argue when the signs are right.

I think the issue of cultural appropriation is an interesting one in this context, because most people apply this today in relation to the likes of American Indian (i.e. "indigenous") traditions, etc. Certainly, it's a subject about which those of us looking at various spiritual traditions should be aware. I often wonder if some of this idea-grabbing stems from the English language itself, which appropriates words from all over the world like some ravenous ghost. For instance words like Chakra, Karma, etc. are in common usage among magic/pagany types though often the use has nothing to do with the original meaning, and does amount to some form of cultural theft.

At what point is it cultural appropriation, or just assimilation of existing influences? Tough to say for sure all the time.

Regarding this issue in relation to the Kabbalah - many of us were raised in a Western society, which generally has an overlay (at the very least) of a Judeo-Christian worldview. Christianity grew directly from Judaism, and the Jewish imprint is very obvious. In this way I would see that the Kabbalah is part of the Christian tradition, and elements of it are still apparent in everyday life.

Still, there are depths to which I want to swim in the Kabbalah sea, and after that I'll be happy to leave the more esoteric levels to the fully ordained Rabbis. I think I'll find an exploration of the more head-orientated magical traditions interesting, as long as I don't get too removed from my more usual ecstatic paths.
 
 
LVX23
23:26 / 18.12.02
I certainly feel I would have a much deeper understanding of, and relationship with, the Kabbalah if it were part of my blood, if I were raised in the context of the Judaica and schooled in Hebrew. But for all that formality I might have been pushed away or rebelled outright against the tradition. In some respects, as a gentile I am free of the cultural denotations of the texts, the symbols, the language, and can create a more personal relationship to these ideas. Would this be a dilution of the teachings, or an expansion of their reach?

I was also raised Catholic, to which I rebelled wholly, and have only recently begun to embrace the Christian mysteries, but totally divorced from Catholicism. It's only been through my study of the Kabbalah (and Gnosticism to a lesser degree) that I've been able to understand the mysteries of the Christian tradition, without the social interference of my own embittered education. In this respect, some people can actually gain much more by studying a spiritual system that is markedly different from the one presented by their inherited family or cultural heritage. And this also reinforces the point mentioned by a few in this thread that Christianity is really just an extencion of Judaism. Once the teachings are divorced from the religion, then it makes no difference what path you follow or how you were raised. There is only that which resonates with and harmonises the individual.

Now, I'm still trying to get my head around Monkey's brilliant insights about cultural and ideological appropriation (or misappropriation), but I think it may be somewhat of a simplification to suggest that all cultures guard their philosophies against external eyes. There are secret sociaties (cabals) & protected traditions, but there are also mythologies and ontologies seen less as secrets and more as just the Way Things Are. The 12th century Jewish Kabbalist might have a responsibility to protect the rabbinical traditions, to preserve and explore the Jewish faith and it's relationship with the Torah, and to guard the people and the mysteries against persecution. Yet the Jivaro shaman (see Michael Harner's "Hallucinogens & Shamanism") might readily divulge the myths of their world because it is simply basic nature of their reality - not an illuminated gift or hermetic mystery. However, the commodofication of these systems and the materialism that comes with trade and tender would seem to dilute the teachings and do a disservice to the many generations that have cherised and preserved them against exogenous incursion and corruption.

Yet, while I worry that the easy availability of such powerful systems could corrupt or injure the uninitiated, I feel that the traditions as a whole grow and become richer as they enter into more and more relationships with diverse individuals. Cusm suggested that the path of western occultism is one of comparative religion. This is the obvious result of Blavatsky and Crowley but their intention was to find the greater pattern uniting seemingly diverse traditions. I would expand on cusm's definition and suggest that the path of western esotericism is the process of bringing spirit into matter, reimagining the magick of Nature and making it the vehicle of the Divine, utilising whatever tools are available. (This is in contrast with the eastern paths which typically seek the dissolution of matter as a path to spirit). In this definition then it is appropriate that more and more people are exposed to any and all techniques that will help them bring that spirit into their lives, to see the Divine manifest in Nature.
 
 
Wyrd
09:56 / 19.12.02
Chris23: excellent post!
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:09 / 06.02.03
Went to a seminar at the Kabbalah Center here in Miami this weekend and got very interested (despite the fact that they kept trying to push there classes on me.) I left there wanting to learn more but there book store was horrible (Angel Cabalah? Modern Women and Kabalah? Madonna's Ray of Light?)

Can anyone suggest a good, clear, easy beginner's book to the Kabbalah?

Oh and, this thread was great.
 
 
captain yossarian
01:27 / 07.02.03
@ the monkey etc.

it must be analyzed:
sure: some hidden formulas, some "steganographic" work inside qabbalistic writings are references to times and ages of persecution and inquisition. we are d´accord in this, i think. but it is also true that there are NO chosen people, no HEATHEN people, no PAGAN people. it´s crap. if one group, one person, one country, one "race" believes that it´s CHOSEN by god or whoever then this group, etc. etc. is wrong. nobody wants to steal "dangerous" secrets from jews. in fact, who can say that there are no jews who could use secrets as a weapon or as something "un-good"?
and all of our religions in the western countries are more than influenced by jewish wisdom... even christianity is nothing but a haeretic sect of it. so how can you say "we" (?) have nothing to do with it? you want to punish us for our (very ugly) history?
"every man and every woman is a star."
and i´d like to add: and no star in universe is more useful than another. don´t make OUR old mistakes.
 
 
Caleigh
07:16 / 07.02.03
Does anyone else here use the numerical values for english letter derived from "The Book of the Law" by Crowley? Rather than simply being an a=1 b=2 thing, or the valuations as set forth in the Sepher Sephiroth they are a=1 b=20 c=3 d=6 etc.

Careful reading of the BOTL gives quite clear instruction for it's derivation, for what it's worth. I see any such system as being more about opening up pathways of connection and perception in the user rather than being some sort of "absolute" valuation. Like, as if there is a real reality anyway.
 
 
illmatic
07:35 / 07.02.03
IL - I like Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah - bit old fashioned though. Be interested to hear about any good modern books myself.
 
 
Devil's Avocado
10:39 / 07.02.03
The Ladder of Lights - by William G Grey, also a bit old but a good introduction to the four worlds.

great thread
 
 
LVX23
16:47 / 07.02.03
Thanks Wyrd!

Re: Good books...

"The Book of Thoth", Aleister Crowley (Qabalah by way of the Thoth Tarot).

"The Qabalistic Tarot", Robert Wang (good summaries of Crowley's stuff with the addition of some practical interpretations).

"A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism", Gareth Knight (a very thorough dissection, entire chapters on each Sephiroth and path).
 
  
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