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'Anarchy for the Masses'-- very disappointing

 
 
Big Talk
19:05 / 02.07.02
Admittedly, asking the book to stand up to the rigors of the quantum discussion on Barbelith + Babcock is unreasonable, but…

so far I’ve found it to be light-weight on:

1) panel by panel annotation

2) describing the making of the book. Grant’s interview is quite good, but the rest of the interviews seem fluffy + mostly pointless- lots of talk about how Grant was late with scripts, which characters were hard to draw, and mostly how Grant never seemed to communicate much with them. Can you imagine how much more entertaining it would have been to get Millar, Ellis, Milligan, Rushkoff et al to comment on the impact of the book, their impressions of the man, etc?

+ I totally fail to see the point of:

1) the authors’ commentary on each chapter, seemingly written immediately after picking up each issue @ the comix shop. They spend a lot of time talking about which characters they now like, + making fairly empty claims as to whether each issue was good or bad. the invisibles, like many of morrison’s books, is better absorbed as story arcs if you’re fixated on plot resolution or uncomfortable with ambiguity. Assuming that most new readers (who will come to the book after seeing the movie) will be reading TPBs, this feature strikes me as a total waste of copy.

2) character bios. This seems appropriate as an appendix to an English Lit thesis- it actually does point out some threads that I failed to connect in my own head, but it’s rather antiseptic. King Mob likes cookies? Elfayed may be gay? Grant portrays the characters in a strongly disjointed fashion- thru the lenses of time-travel, multiple personalities, and the different genres + tropes used in the series. I wish the bios were more conscious of the archetypal and dynamic aspects of the characters.

All in all I find the book to be remarkably joyless- it seems to spend a great deal of energy pointing out how the series barely came together, or where it lacks credibility- even when Grant was clever enough to point this out repeatedly in the series itself! Meanwhile many extremely literary themes, conflicts + episodes go totally unmentioned.

I’ve learned a great deal from the Invisibles, + I’ve had good results explaining concepts to people just by showing them sections of the book. I would really like to take account of some of the main themes- not necessarily to provide definitive readings, but to help people dig some of the depth. (In an aside, I have to wonder if Grant wants to avoid this- good ontological writing works best @ an unconscious level I reckon).

Big conflicts/debates in the series that should be available on the web (@ barbelith?):

1) Romanticism vs. enlightenment

2) Existentialism vs. nihilism (they call Nietzsche existentialist! ackkk!)

3) Free-will vs. pre-destination

4) race, gender, colonialism

5) anarchism, futurism, post-modernism

It would also be fun to dissect some of the more dense scenes- for example, Jim Crow’s fable in Black Science 2.

OK, rant over. Am I just bitchin’ here?
 
 
some guy
19:19 / 02.07.02
Don't they say right up front it's not the kind of guide you're looking for?
 
 
glassonion
20:00 / 02.07.02
could someone please say nice and loud who publishes this book? the fellow with the invisibles rian hughes logo on his arm in the comic shop would really like it but can't get it because he doesn't know who it's published by. if he doesn't get it, i can't get it.
 
 
Higher than the sun :)
20:00 / 02.07.02
I totally agree - The horrible lazy cover
The fact that a third of the talk about each issue is actually two fanboys voicing their personal thoughts and nothing more objective whatsoever
The spelling mistakes
The complete lack of illustrations
The complete lack of 'insider knowledge of the comics industry' that the two writers blatantly exhibit
The only things worth reading are the interviews with the creators and some of the annotations - but what really puts me off this whole book is that between the writers own opinions of the series, the mind-numbingly boring timeline, the character biographies, and all the 'free/blank space' which occurs because of the way this book is layed out, it could easily have been half the size, and at least half the price.

A real missed opportunity in my opinion - and a lot of the stuff Big Talk points above out should have been included and expanded upon, I agree.

I know one of the writers frequents this site - will he be prepared to refund me the fifteen quid I payed for this book if I send it back to him? Because it really wasn't worth the price of admission and I feel cheated out of my hard-earned cash.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:03 / 02.07.02
Honestly, Big Talk, if you thought it was lacking, you should write/compile your own "Invisibles Annotated" book. Seriously. I'm not being snarky here. Although I thought it was pretty decent overall, I thought it was a little light in places, too. I would gladly buy another, denser take on the series.
 
 
glassonion
20:16 / 02.07.02
o come on i said please
 
 
Bradley Sands
20:23 / 02.07.02
glassonion - www.madyakpress.com
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
20:49 / 02.07.02
the chickin pikkies were great!

sfunny old cam stew getting a slaggin tho.

I mean who the fuck is Cameron Stewart?

ha ha smiley

oh and by the way - this book is far too easy to hate - choose new strategy - message fizzles out.......

pffft.
 
 
CameronStewart
21:15 / 02.07.02
I don't think I got a slagging at all - the guy was saying that he didn't understand why artists who did work on the series were overlooked in favour of people who hadn't been involved, especially "nobodies" (which I very much was at the time - it was one of my very first pro gigs). He then said that unlike Ashley Wood, I turned in "quality, publishable art."

How is that a slagging?

Higher The n The Sun - in regard to the "lazy" cover, it might be a bit more understandable if you know that the authors commissioned a whole fuckload of artwork featuring the characters, from many of the the artists who worked on the series (including me), but DC turned around and threatened legal action if any of it was printed. So they had to improvise a cover with only vague imagery.
 
 
some guy
22:47 / 02.07.02
The fact that a third of the talk about each issue is actually two fanboys voicing their personal thoughts and nothing more objective whatsoever

There's a whole school of series guide done this way. Check out any of the cult guides put out by Virgin a few years back (Dr Who, Avengers, Buffy).

The complete lack of 'insider knowledge of the comics industry' that the two writers blatantly exhibit

What do you mean? Do they claim any special knowledge?

I didn't think the book was perfect (nothing could replace the experience of being online when the issues were coming out), but it's not as bad as you're making out. It's not as pandering as the Sandman book, for example.
 
 
Margin Walker
23:48 / 02.07.02
I haven't picked it up yet because, well, I've been broke. But the main reason I'll hesitate to buy it isn't because of the money. From Jay Babcock's Barbelith site:

"I'm reiterating this history only because it has been ignored/erased by the authors of ANARCHY FOR THE MASSES: AN UNDERGROUND GUIDE TO THE INVISIBLES, a new $19.95 book that duplicates in print (and for profit) much of the information that's been available here -- FOR FREE -- for several years. Any book that furthers understanding and appreciation of THE INVISIBLES is of course welcome, but come on, gents: credit where credit's due. So: please click here to see a list of the contributors to the original Barbelith.  -- Jay Babcock, original Barbelith webmaster"

In short, I think I'll stick w/ Tom's & Jay's website for now....
 
 
some guy
01:04 / 03.07.02
To be fair, Jay makes it sound like the AftM people plagiarized his site. I haven't seen any duplication between the two yet ... if you're annotating the same source material, surely you'd make a lot of the same notes?
 
 
Big Talk
14:43 / 03.07.02
/rant continues:

its true- for $20, what I expected was at least 4 hot new perspectives on the Invisibles- instead, I reckon I got about 1 and a half. some of the are annotations are insightful- the majority have been covered elsewhere on the web- tho to the authors' credit, there is no evidence that they plagiarized Babcock's site.

ideally, they would have dropped each issue's 'fan-boy commentary' section + devoted the space to analyzing a passage or a topic from the issue. similarly, the character bios could have been better used as a glossary of symbols + themes in the series- informing the reader, for example, that the blank page in vol. 1 is arguably the overarching metaphor in GM's work.

Halloway- I would like to compile a more complete set of annotations- or barring that, perhaps generate the documents I've mentioned above. I came to Barbelith after the series ended, so I never observed the discussions here, nor am I clear about where they can be viewed. I appreciate your request for a positive alternative.

Yawn- forget Cam-Stew, Chicago gets dissed. Chicago IS a spooky city. I even know a few vampires, personally.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:53 / 03.07.02
The threads about each issue have been lost to the board reboots. Annotations can be found at The Bomb.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:54 / 03.07.02
I'd contribute something. If'n you wanted.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
15:35 / 03.07.02
If you're willing to do some major slogging, the Invisibles list (still ongoing, w/some Barbelithians in attendance) was the primary hub of Invisibles discussion before the Barb became the force that it is. Yahoo thankfully has a pretty decent search function for their groups, so it shouldn't be too much of a chore if you're looking for something in particular.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:21 / 03.07.02
The fact that a third of the talk about each issue is actually two fanboys voicing their personal thoughts and nothing more objective whatsoever

Good to see the citizens of Self-awaria at play on Barbelith once more.
 
 
glassonion
20:22 / 03.07.02
cheers
 
  
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