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What's the worst comic you've read recently ?

 
 
DaveBCooper
13:50 / 01.07.02
Thought I’d kick this one off, as I was soooooo unimpressed with a comic I bought recently.

Codename : Knockout #14, I believe it was, and it was shockingly poor. Let me count the ways :

1. A J. Scott Campbell cover featuring a woman who appears to have suffered some terrible injury, such is her bodily distortion.
2. Barely any introduction of the characters for the new reader (oh, that would be me)
3. Artwork which was just this side of adequate, but unclear panel layouts and characters who don’t really look the same from one panel to the next. Odd because I seem to recall the team being okay elsewhere.
4. Fight scenes where characters are spouting great mouthfuls of dialogue
5. The usual ‘story set in Britain’ stuff (cab drivers whose accents are about as consistent as Daphne’s family’s in Frasier, signs in kilometres, that kind of thing)
6. A story so poor, I simply can’t remember what it was.
7. First part of a two-parter, or maybe more, and with no kind of hook to make me come back next time. All right then, you talked me out of it. I won’t bother (since no-one involved in the book seems to have bothered)

Still, at least I was on the toilet when I read it. But that was my doing, nothing to do with the people who produced the comic.
There is, of course, a chance that this was a one-off, a weak issue. But I won’t be shelling out money to find out. It went straight into the bin after that one read. I have better things to waste my eyemuscleenergy on.

Which brings me to my question, the opener of this topic : what’s the worst comic you’ve read in recent times ? What was so bad about it ? I’m thinking about head-shakingly appalling bits of tat here, not ones which are almost compelling in their badness. Go on, share. You know you want to.

DBC
 
 
Sax
14:24 / 01.07.02
Possibly two issues of a Marvel limited series called Deadline, which is possibly still running, although I won't be finding out.

Haven't got the issues to hand to nail down what specifically irritated me, but from what I can remember:

1) The lead character is a journalist on the Daily Bugle. Her "beat" is currently doing storiesinvolving New York's superhero community, but she wants to get off what is considered a crap job and is looking forward to doing "proper" crime. Now, if I was working on newspapers in the Marvel Universe, I'd be a damn sight more interested in writing stories on superhumans than bog-standard bank robberies, so for me the entire premise of the book immediately goes down the pan.

2) Her opposite number is a Judge who turns into a supervillain. Complete with ridiculous costume. This sort of comic precisely sums up what was bad,bad,bad about Marvel in the 1980s. Judges just do that kind of crap, do they?

3) The journalist is taken to some weird purgatory type place by the Judge, where souls of those killed in violent crimes act out their deaths over and over again. And she barely bats an eyelid.

4) There's this scene with an underground surgeon who treats villains involved in super-punch-ups - not a bad concept, but having Batroc the Leaper in full costume having his leg bandaged made me cringe.

5) The covers - despite there being (as far as I could tell from the two issues) no romantic issues between the journalist and the judge, the covers depict them all touchy-feely as though they are about to embrace and caress. Why?

Plenty of other stuff, but I'll have to refer to the books when I get home.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:31 / 01.07.02
I would have to say that each issue of Impulse has a depressive effect on me. Here is a character who could be Pure Boundless Fun and WAS for the first 40 issues or so, but has become overwrought with angst and continuity and is utterly unreadable. It's kind of frightening that everyone involved in the creative team has so utterly missed the point of the character.

Can't anyone at DC write comics that are FUN anymore?

And, to make everyone on-line hate me, I picked up an issue of Black Panther due to all the people saying it is Marvel's best book, and I couldn't make heads or tails out of anything that was going on. I've read comics my whole LIFE and couldn't understand it. That's not a good sign.
 
 
The Natural Way
15:30 / 01.07.02
X-Men before Grant: idiotic waffling about "He is a warrior poet, a man of steel, but with a heart of flame - a hero" and then a massive fight for three pages with clenched fists and exclamation marks.

Pretty much anything written in the "Marvel Style tm". It's soooo fucking easy to spot and sooo bloody awful. You can just imagine the "writer" handing the artist a plot filled with Godawful lazy drivel like "Fight: 3 pages". Just terrible.
 
 
Trijhaos
15:41 / 01.07.02
X-treme X-men.

Oh look, a big evil alien race bent on dominating the world. How original. Over half of each page is filled with those little yellow squares describing stuff happening on the page. Whole conversations going on in the middle of a battle. And here's the big thing. Claremont thinks he has to tell the readers about the powers of each character in every single issue. I think the readers might be able to figure some of this stuff out on their own. "Oh no! Rogue is about to get shot. I can see that from this picture here. Why exactly is it being described in this square". "So Storm's flying and lightning bolts are shooting out of the clouds she summoned. Maybe she can control the weather."

This is the guy they've got writing the new gen13 comic? It kind of seems doomed from the start.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:44 / 01.07.02
Claremont is Claremont. He comes from the school of writing from the 70's where there are LONG discussions during fights because at the time it was thought that people wouldn't buy a comic without a fight scene.

I don't hate him, I just am happy that he's been given an X-Men book to do whatever he wants with. He DID make them into Marvel's cash cow and deserves to play in that sandbox as long as his writing makes them a profit. Him on Gen13 is just a horrible idea, tho. His writing is VERY serious, and he couldn't write a light, pop book at gunpoint.

Why didn't more people buy the Adam Warren issues? I thought his stuff was remarkably good for Gen13.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:53 / 01.07.02
Xtreme X-men started out interesting, what with the team not agreeing with the way Xavier's dream was going and them going in search of Destiny's journals. The way Sage can jumpstart people's powers is interesting, I wonder what we'll see in the future since she "fixed" Rogue's powers. Unfortunately, he had to go and ruin it all by introducing these aliens. Why? The book was going great up until this point. All-powerful Aliens are boring.

I liked Warren's Gen13 stuff. It was different. Of course, right when it was getting interesting, the book got killed and so did the team, or did they? It seems Fairchild is going to be returning. Does that mean the rest of the team survived too?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:21 / 01.07.02
I agree with Solitaire Rose - I think that it's a very nice thing for Marvel to give Claremont his own X-Men comic to play around with to repay him for building the company's biggest cash cow. It's also good for the fans of that stuff, it's good to have one X-Men comic for the type of people who really dig that sort of thing, and another more mainstreamed comic by Grant Morrison or whoever else will follow on after him. It's all fair, really.
 
 
deja_vroom
18:44 / 01.07.02
DK2. The art is horrible, the colors are horrible, the story is horrible, the dialogues are horrible, the villains are ludicrous, the grandiloquent tone is ludicrous, the pacing is way too fast (perhaps so that we won't notice there's not a real story going on?).
 
 
gridley
19:15 / 01.07.02
despite normally being a kevin smith fan, the first eight pages of Black Cat were enough to make me put it down.
 
 
rizla mission
19:48 / 01.07.02
As discussed elsewhere Pounded#3 was a bunch of crap.

Also, Midnight Mass.#2 - the first issue was pretty fun, but this was just lazy, lousy and boring - another loser for Vertigo, sadly.

(god, I feel so much like the Simpsons comic book guy..)
 
 
moriarty
20:49 / 01.07.02
Solitaire! The first two years of Impulse were fab! That baseball issue was right on. Thank goodness I'm not alone. No one else will believe me...

I can't comment on the later stuff seeing as they gave that writer a fill-in issue before Waid left the book, so I caught a sneak peek of what was to come. It looked like garbage. To the credit of the writers after Waid, I've read a few interviews where they claim editorial interference, tie-ins with other titles, crossovers and all sorts of other unnecessary stuff.

So far as bad comics go, I don't have enough money to spend on them. However, I did read some absolutely dreadful Luann strips recently, but the quality of that comic should come as no surprise. And, much as I love the idea of Free Comics Day, I think the choices were pretty weak. If they can make cheap insert comics for Wizard with top names on board and self-contained stories, why not do the same for something with tons more exposure. Blah. And Ultimate Spider-man makes me want to rip my eyes out. How is this any better then the John Byrne/Chapter One fiasco? What a mess.
 
 
glassonion
21:36 / 01.07.02
picked up some old lateish 90s 2000ads last week. i never realised just how shitty millar and morrison's judge dredd became. were they trying to kill the whole comic stone dead to piss off the editors? like they wrote an episode each but didn't bother to show the other what they'd done.
 
 
Ganesh
23:33 / 01.07.02
Probably the last time I foolishly decided to give 'Transmetropolitan' another try...
 
 
CameronStewart
23:37 / 01.07.02

Solitaire - it's an obvious question and I hate to get all Warren Ellis on you here, but I have to ask: If Impulse no longer entertains you, and in fact "each one has a depressive effect" on you - why continue to read it??

Runs - the 'Marvel Style' can be very effective if given to the right artists - Kirby and Ditko worked wonders. Unfortunately you need to be someone with a really strong sense of storytelling to make it work, and as I think the "Nuff Said" month amply proved, there are precious few artists who can tell a story these days...
 
 
RiffRaff
00:29 / 02.07.02
I have a copy of The Crow trade... when I do something really stupid, I force myself to read it for penance.

Aarrggh.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
01:08 / 02.07.02
I dropped Impulse when it wasn't fun anymore, but pick it up on occastion because I like the concept. When Waid did Impulse it was a fun book that was a GREAT book for kids (my son thought it was the best thing going). When there is a crossover or a new creative team, I give it a try to see if they have figured out what made the book so good.
 
 
deja_vroom
11:32 / 02.07.02
Probably the last time I foolishly decided to give 'Transmetropolitan' another try...

Can't make myself through any of Ellis' stuff.
 
 
Tom Coates
11:41 / 02.07.02
I think the worst comic books are the ones that betray their readers and their readers' intelligences. That doesn't mean they have to be incredibly high-concept or even vaguely serious, but the ones that take characters that you've invested in - for whatever reason - and bugger them around for no reason. One of the books I felt most betrayed by was - and don't laugh - Booster Gold - which I thought was a great book (along with the DC Blue Beetle post-crisis book, which was also pretty good super-hero stuff). And then suddenly for no reason, completely out of the blue, Booster Gold sells out his planet to the Manhunters and I was just left going "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at the issue and then was left with the stupid parody of the character that everyone has worked with since. Insulting. Betrayed.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:50 / 02.07.02
>>>One of the books I felt most betrayed by was - and don't laugh - Booster Gold<<<

I'm sorry Tom, you're a top man, but....Booster Gold???

One HAS to laugh.

 
 
kid coagulant
15:14 / 02.07.02
From the 'Unofficial Booster Gold Biography':

'In the 25th century Michael Jon Carter was a brilliant quarterback with great promise as a professional player. This potential was lost, when Carter was caught betting on games in which he played. "Booster" Carter, a nickname he received for his tremendous skills, had started gambling in order to pay for his mother's delicate operation. Realizing he could make enormous amounts of money, he continued to bet even after her recovery and was soon caught. Banished from the college athletics and shunned by the pros, Carter drifted throughout the eastern seaboard until he found employment as a janitor at the Space Museum. Once there, he realized that he had no future in that era, due to his past crimes. But while in college Carter became interested in studying the great heroes of the ages. When he came across Rip Hunter's Time Machine, he knew his future was in Earth's past. So he stole various pieces of advanced equipment, a security robot, and the Time Machine itself and journeyed back to the 20th century. Soon after his arrival, Carter interfered in an assassination plot against the President and Vice-President of the United States. Using the publicity that followed, he took the name Booster Gold and became the world's first super-hero dedicated to commercial pursuits rather than noble causes.'

Nothing funny about that.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:27 / 02.07.02
Fair enough, but he still looked like a twat.



(Please note the winky smileys in both posts)
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:53 / 02.07.02
well its gotta be jack b quick in the latest issue of Tommorow Stories - possibly the worst moore story ever written - so shite it's not even nice shite. tired, lazy, unedited shplack.

But first American was as ever frekkin braulyant.

man, that jack b quick story is superbad!
 
 
CameronStewart
21:23 / 02.07.02
But at least Jack B. Quick is drawn by Kevin Nowlan, who's a pretty brilliant artist. It's pretty to look at at least.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:10 / 03.07.02
Yeah, Booster and Beetle have a lot of fans. They're very good and practically made the eighties JLA. Love Booster's "origin" story - Know so many people who'd love to write him.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:15 / 06.07.02
i got a trade of the story arc where hal jordan kills everyone and becomes paradox. Made my chest hurt in a "tom likes booster and he turned asshole" way. this is HAL FUCKING JORDAN, he cant be evil.

Oh, and the last few K Smith issues of green arrow were like dirty pants
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:35 / 06.07.02
Let me guess, Elijah - are you a member of HEAT?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:36 / 07.07.02
that is the lamest web site i have ever seen
 
 
Monkey Boy Z
20:58 / 07.07.02
I'd have to say the page and a half of origin #3 I looked at.

Or maybe that Monarchy business.

In defense of Black Panther, yes, it's confusing as hell. But only because he's been basically wriitng one story. If you read every single issue it starts to make a little sense. And Ross is funny, dammit. I did have a problem with Priest characterizing President Muff as a halfway intelligent civil servent. That was just.. wrong.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
23:21 / 07.07.02
I find that Priest is utterly incapable of writing a comic I can understand...in order to know what is going on, you have to read everything he has written for that company, his internet posts explaining scenes he doesn't bother to introduce and in some cases, his mind.

Even at their most self-involved, comics HAVE to be written in such a way that you at least know enough to get an idea of what is going on. Sadly, too many comics writers take this to mean that they have to lay everything out every issue...when that isn't the case. Yes, you can have on-going plotlines and people can pick stuff up on the run, but when you don't introduce ANYTHING to a new reader, you are wasting paper.

Alan Moore made each individual issue of everything he has written understandable, with a LOT of deeper stuff for those who have been around longer. Sadly, he makes it seem effortless, when it's a skill beyond a lot of serial fiction writers.
 
 
Stone Mirror
04:54 / 08.07.02
The worst comic I've read recently was an indie hack-job called The Rapture. The artwork is only vaguely competent, the story's slow and what there is of it seems to be cutting close to a Preacher rip-off.

It might just be that I got it at the same time I grabbed Violent Messiahs: Book of Job and it's suffering severely by comparison.

But I don't think so.
 
  
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