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Neal Stephenson

 
  

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Janean Patience
13:05 / 24.01.07
Cobweb is not bad, but Interface, the other one he wrote under a nom de plume, is better. Though once again the ending kind of sucks.

I couldn't agree less, though doing so will necessitate major


SPOILERS


for both Stephen Bury books.

Interface is just great. I'd rate it as one of Neal's best. It's just-barely-sci-fi in the Michael Crichton style, extropolating from today's technology and positing one stage further. It's a horribly forensic analysis of U.S politics during a takeover attempt, when the usual cabal of self-interested corporations and super-rich individuals decide their interests are no longer served by free elections and they need their own President. Juxtaposed with this is the story of mother who ends up homeless, and from that begins an unlikely political career.

It's one of those books where all the different elements converge frictionlessly and neatly, but remain entertaining. The ending; well, multiple murderer Floyd Wayne Vishniak is an unlikely hero who's strayed into the wrong book. He puts together everything from the tiniest fragments of information, works out the plot and ultimately sacrifices himself for a free America. Only his timing is wrong. And this is a book which ends with a former homeless black woman as President of the United States. Almost plausibly. What's not to like?

The Cobweb is nowhere near as good, though it is prescient. A group of Arabic terrorists living within the United States, following orders and financed from outside the country, use U.S facilities to train for and stage an aerial terrorist attack on New York. All this well before 9/11. The terrorists were Iraqi and the attack was biological, that's what they got wrong. And that the attack was stopped.
 
 
Axolotl
16:19 / 25.01.07
Sorry, I didn't express myself all that well. The ending as a an ending to the story is fine, though Cozzano's fate kind of bummed me out, though as you say, what that resulted in was ace. I meant that it seems to be over very quickly and just suddenly bursts out on you without little warning or Stephenson having ramped up the tension.
However it is quite a long time since I read it last, so am unable to go in to much more detail or in fact to back up my wild statements.
Still despite that I reckon it's one of his better works.
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
14:46 / 14.02.07
I started with Cryptonomicon, which I enjoyed the first 4/5 of but was confused by the ending (at first I thought it was just me, but after a second reading and a lot of internet speculation, no, it's the ending). I moved on to Snow Crash and Diamond Age. Snow Crash's ending is pretty weak, but at least it is parsable. Diamond Age has been accused of having an equally weak ending, but I disagree. The Mouse Revolution seems like Deus Ex Machina for the first few hours, but is actually foreshadowed from the beginning of the book, when the Doctor visits the ship full of babies. Once it falls in to place, much more of the book makes sense when reread, creating a parallel narrative that actually makes the ending pretty satisfying.

Compare to the end of the first Matrix- the human-centric plot has ended, and the mythical revolution is about to begin. But revolution is not an interesting story- the start of revolution is. Another example- The Dreamers, a movie about the student riots in Paris in 1968. It ends when the riots begin- all the interesting drama happens long before the bodies hit the floor. Once the revolution comes, ethos and pathos are the first ones up against the wall.

And then came Quicksilver. And after the first 2000 pages, I just stopped caring. I lost track of who was where doing what and why any of it mattered.
 
 
matthew.
15:24 / 14.02.07
You should give it a try. The ending is extremely satisfying. As I've been saying on the board since I finished. The ending is totally worth it. The third volume of the cycle is easily the best.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
19:51 / 14.02.07
What's confusing about the last 1/5 of Cryptonomicon?

Maybe you just don't like "epics".
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
19:59 / 14.02.07
In fact, I don't understand this problem everyone's having with the endings at all.
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
20:20 / 14.02.07
Qalyn:
It was not so much that the last 1/5 of Crypt. was confusing so much as it seemed really disconnected from the rest of the book- all three main narratives seemed to suddenly jump to this other place (both in terms of mood and style, and in terms of plot) and it just seemed to shift pretty roughly, lose me in the throws of what was going on and which character was which and why they mattered, then shake a bunch of melty gold from a mountain or something.

But besides that I too don't understand what people's problems with his ending are- there is a difference between having "weak endings" and having "endings that are less incredible and spectacular than the rest of your vastly-superior-to-most-other-books book."

Maybe I do have a problem with epics. Then again, I remember most of A Song of Ice and Fire with weird clarity, so much so that me and my friends can have hours-long conversations about who the rightful heirs to different kingdoms are at various points in the series, quoting Westerosi law, myth, and tradition.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:44 / 14.02.07
Ah! I see. You are a big nerd.

Kidding! Seriously, though, while your explanation is kind of personally affecting, I don't really get it. As I saw it, the only problem with the ending of Cryptonomicon was that the evil ecoterrorist guy was such a weird, characterless plot device. But such a minor thing! Otherwise... man, the whole book was about that mountain of gold!

Similarly, with Quicksilver, I was impressed by Stephenson's ability to retain such focus in such a wandering story. I mean, I seem to have had pretty much the opposite experience from most contributors to this thread. What's up with that?
 
 
matthew.
02:10 / 15.02.07
I thought the evil ecoterrorist fit in with the story great. He was set up right from the beginning, almost.
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
02:14 / 15.02.07
OK, maybe it deserves a second reading. My last laugh, however: antique furniture and imperial pints.

Unrelatedly, what is Neal up to these days? The Baroque Cycle did end, right? So he's presumably working on some cyberpunk 2.0 thing?
 
  

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