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Are You Getting Stupider?

 
 
Margin Walker
11:55 / 26.06.02
I'm starting to think that I am.

(waits for the volleys of snorting, chuckling & fingerpointing to subside before continuing)

I swear that as I get older, I'm living the Harrison Bergeron lifestyle more and more. Losing trains of thought mid-sentence? Check. Forgetting things you used to know but have somehow atrophied from disuse? Check. Having a hard time doing mental excercises that you could've easily completed a couple of years ago? Check. Just having the sinking feeling that you've lost your edge? Check.

Anybody got some tips on how to combat the onset of senility & stupidity? What's the answer: Smart drugs? Hanging out with MENSA members? Learning Portuguese in your sleep? Drinking shitloads of coffee?
 
 
w1rebaby
12:27 / 26.06.02
this was the topic of one of the first threads I ever posted here, and I still don't know the answer

the only thing that seems to work is brain exercise, by which I mean learning, doing stuff that you've not done before, and the thing that prevents me, personally, from exercising my brain is stress and general misery. When you withdraw and don't want to think about anything because it's painful, you stop learning.

i suppose the other reason you might stop learning and experiencing is that you're too comfortable, but if you're complaining about it that seems unlikely

the thing about "doing stuff you've not done before" is critical IMO. If you just do the same stuff as you've always done, no matter how clever it is you're not stretching yourself and you sink deeper into standard thought patterns, stop being able to deal with different situations.
 
 
Lullaboozler
12:31 / 26.06.02
The one thing I do find myself struggling with these days is mental arithmetic (oh, and spelling, as I had to look 'arithmetic up!), but I put that down to a lack of practice. I have a job that doesn't demand much mathematics, so I don't use those neural pathways very often since leaving Uni.

I guess the only way to stay sharp is to constantly use your brain for things, rather than play passenger. Read interesting books, see demanding cinema/theatre, have conversations with people that don't revolve around last night's Eastenders/Sopranos, do the cryptic crossword etc. My Mam, who is in her 50's is razor sharp, and she does the cryptic crossword every day.

You may not be able to be as mentally agile as you once were (after all you are losing brain cells daily, and they don't come back) but mental strength is like physical strength. You've gotta keep working your brain otherwise it will atrophy.
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
12:38 / 26.06.02
If I got any more stupid I'd become an unacceptable danger to my friends and family, nay to the very Earth itself. I would have to be kept in a vault at Earth's Lagrange point, since my only use to society would be to fling myself at the next planet-killer meteor that comes along on the off-chance the superdense stupidity will turn the whole thing into a number of pastel deckchairs.

I have no answers, I wish I did. Treat it like another muscle to exercise(or perhaps your first, I don't know), and pray it never cramps up on you.
 
 
Mazarine
12:41 / 26.06.02
The less I'm in school the stupider I feel, a slow atrophy accompanied by general antsiness that I think marathon runners must feel while in traction (less severe pain... okay my analogy licks gravel, but I told you I was getting stupider). My solution is at once lazy and straight out of old wive's tales: I try to eat fresh fish. It makes my brain feel better. I also try to read fairly non-fluffy books. But mostly fish. Which I'm now craving.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:44 / 26.06.02
If I recall correctly, Earth has more than one LaGrange point, and you need something to bury a vault in.

I keep my mind sharp by nitpicking pedantry. At the moment I am weighing the advantages (sharper mental function) and the disadvantages (whinging) of descending on the "Invent a world for Wizards of the Coast where the barmaid will let you touch her tits with your claw!" thread in the Creation to help people out with the use of the genitive in terra nullius.
 
 
gridley
13:03 / 26.06.02
The only thing scarier than the fact that I get less intelligent every year is that I get more comfortable with being unintelligent every year as well.

It's as though my subconscious realized that being smart was an evolutionary dead end, so it made me dumb enough that I would breed...
 
 
Shortfatdyke
13:15 / 26.06.02
[clutching at straws] surely the title of this thread should be are you becoming more stupid? - i may keep forgetting to look in my diary and double book my time, but i still have a grasp of grammar. [/clutching at straws]
 
 
bitchiekittie
13:19 / 26.06.02
stupid is as stupid does

oh look! ↑ my jokes certainly are
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:02 / 26.06.02
I believe I'm becoming less quick to grasp new things, and less quick to access old info; however, with this new stupidity comes a greater patience with slowly building up a skill or acquiring new information, which can only be a good thing.
 
 
that
15:25 / 26.06.02
I can't be getting stupider. I remembered that there was once another thread about this. That is a good sign, shurely?

Actually, my brain *does* seem to have picked itself up out of the metaphorical peanut shells and beer cans for a bit, lately...
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
15:33 / 26.06.02
If I recall correctly, Earth has more than one LaGrange point, and you need something to bury a vault in.

I'd question the wisdom of nitpicking a statement intended to illustrate the author's stupidity, but never mind.

5 LaGrange points wherever one body orbits another, so 'Earth's LaGrange point' could mean one of 10, I guess. Pick one not cluttered with NASA junk, I don't care.

As for the vault, weeeeell it doesn't have to be underground, dictionary says 'usually' (he says, clutching that straw for all it's worth.)

Having said all that, I'm not sure if defending the integrity of a statement intended to illustrate the stupidity of the author is such a smart move either...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:34 / 26.06.02
Ceiling vaults are, of course, hardly ever underground.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:49 / 26.06.02
She's right, you know. It could be concealed by being built into a ceiling vault. Although you would have to build a chapel in space, and I'm not sure vaults are very profitable in zero gravity.
 
 
Abigail Blue
16:22 / 26.06.02
I had been feeling more and more stupid ever since I dropped out of school, seven years ago.

Then I got rid of my television and home computer(to be more precise, the computer kind of left me...) and started meditating: Nothing big, just sitting whenever I had the time. It's really helped. My mental processes feel a whole lot sharper now.

I hear from Cognitive Science students that doing/thinking/reading/seeing new things helps to build brand spankin' new neural pathways, which is never a bad thing. Oddly, I've found that getting regular (physical) exercise helps, too.

I think I'll give some serious thought to following Haus' path, though, 'cause it sounds much more fun than mine does...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:26 / 26.06.02
I feel I'm at my most stupid when I'm not stimulated, when I'm just going through the motions and not taking in anything new. The only solution I've found, then, is to start exposing myself to new stimuli, no matter how uninteresting it may at first seem. Like going back to school in the fall. I know that a lot of my classes are going to be shit for the most part, but I'm going to be exposed to new things and my brain is going to perk up as a result.
 
 
Grey Area
17:30 / 26.06.02
On those days where I read articles written by professors who have 15 years more experience in my research topic than I do, I feel stupid. On days where I teach undergrads who have a year's less experience than I do, I don't feel stupid. Current ratio of stupid days to smart days: 30:1. So on average, when measured with this incredibly stupid scale, I'm stupid, but getting smarter (I hope).

Tried to make myself feel better: Tabulate the stupid things you've done versus the smart things you've done. Result: 5 stupid things for every smart thing. I'm going to stop now before I throw everything away, sell out and start a hermit existence on a deserted island where I can be sure that I am the smartest thing around.
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
12:54 / 28.06.02
"Welcome to the Church of the Holy Error. Donations gratefully recieved."

Right, that's the sign, now for some Scripture. Something about a burning Bush, maybe, and a liberal scattering of typoes to confuse people a few thousand years from now.
Oh, and I need a symbol of course. Hey, anyone know if the crucifix is actually a registered trademark? Could make a killing...
Failing that it'll have to be the Sacred Rubber (set your phasers to 'pun' people) or the Generic Large Beard in the Sky.

Hmmm.
 
 
Yagg
00:07 / 29.06.02
I em reel dum and git dumer al thu tim. I em ok withit. Bybye!
 
 
deja_vroom
00:09 / 29.06.02
Yes.



And

When you withdraw and don't want to think about anything because it's painful, you stop learning.

Oh man, *so* fucking true...
 
 
Thjatsi
22:14 / 01.07.02
Anybody got some tips on how to combat the onset of senility & stupidity?

Most of the people on this board who are complaining about intelligence are fairly young, and really shouldn’t start bitching until they hit age sixty or so. However, you wanted advice, and not someone telling you that you don’t have a problem.

In The Psychology of Aging Janet Belsky lists a number of methods for preventing memory decline:

1) Stay in good emotional and physical health. As we might expect from our discussion of intelligence, people with heart disease and wide range of other chronic conditions perform particularly poorly on memory tests. The same is true of people in poor emotional health, in particular those who are depressed. Not only do older people who are depressed tend to falsely label their memory as worse, but one symptom of depression in the elderly is memory impairment. Problems with remembering may be so severe they can even be mistaken for Alzheimer’s disease. So the first principle for helping memory in later life is to take care of one’s physical and mental health.

2) Keep mentally stimulated. As is also true of intelligence, older people who are mentally active and intellectually interested do comparatively better on memory tests. This relationship is especially clear in research examining the type of everyday memory alluded to earlier, remembering the main point of a written passage such as a newspaper article or a page in a book. Although most studies find that older people do more poorly on this task than younger people, with well-read intellectual subjects the age difference shrinks or disappears.

Does being skilled verbally help to inoculate people against memory decline? Answers come from a study by Robin West, Thomas Cook, and Kristina Barron in which subjects of different ages were given various tests of everyday memory. These researchers found that scores on a vocabulary test were a more important predictor of memory for a written passage than a person’s age. On the other memory tests, however, age alone was the best predictor of performance. So, as we saw also in Chapter 6, on intelligence, being highly accomplished can overpower changes due to the passing years. However, the impact seems to be specific, limited mainly to the person’s area of expertise.

A variety of memory studies have shown that older people who are expert in an activity—be it pilots asked to read an air traffic control message or elderly bridge players—can do as well as or even outperform the young. However, the advantage expertise offers is often limited to tests measuring that type of memory alone. Although the broader benefit on memory of keeping active is unclear, older people should not despair. There are specific techniques that can generally improve memory in later life (and at any age).

3) Use mnemonic techniques. We all have noticed that some experiences are indelibly embedded in memory (our graduation day or first day at college) whereas others fade. The main characteristic of the episodic events we remember is their meaningful quality. As I suggested in discussing autobiographical memory, when the details of life are unimportant, memory is apt to be poor. Events that are emotionally important are learned and remembered best. So one key to remembering information more easily is to enhance it’s memorability.


[A digression on how to use mnemonic techniques and external memory aids was removed here. If you really want to read it just ask.]

4) Enhance memory self-efficacy. Simply providing information may not be enough, however. To have a better memory, people must believe that change is possible, that older dogs really can learn new tricks. So, it is important to focus on improving memory self-efficacy—the older person’s confidence about being able to improve. As we saw in the search on memory perceptions at the beginning of this chapter, people have a tendency to see loss in this arena of life as an intrinsic irremediable part of growing old. If older adults believe that they are suffering from a hopeless physiological problem, researchers find, they are less motivated to engage in any memory-enhancing technique. In the grip of this perception of irreversible loss, they may give up even trying to remember, ensuring future decline.

I must confess that this self-fulfilling spiral has even affected me. Believing that my memory has gotten worse, this summer, for the first time, I stopped making the effort to remember the names of students in my class. If this problem can affect the most knowledgeable middle-aged adult, what about the typical elderly person bombarded with messages that memory declines with age? How much of the age deficit that psychologists find on memory tests might be reduced simply by working to improve memory self-efficacy?


All citations from the excerpt above were removed because I don’t want to type them out, and you don’t want to read them.

Personally, I keep myself sharp by reading The Haus’ posts and using dictionary.com to translate them into fucking English.
 
 
invisible_al
14:55 / 03.07.02
I do have to shake myself out of Torpor every once in while, having a nice big project to throw yourself at helps.

Best advice is 'Turn off your TV set and do something less boring instead', do something practical as kids TV show Why don't You suggested. Still good advice today.

Someone suggested metal exercises, now apart from the times table nothing comes to mind...which probably proves a point but any ideas on metal gymnastics?

Really must start reading more as well.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:37 / 03.07.02
I'm a little bit traumatised to discover that Janet Belsky is *the* most learned middle-aged woman...
 
 
autopilot disengaged
19:39 / 03.07.02
i'm just re-entering the barbelithian orbit, and definitely feel dumber than when i left.

where have i been?

i.
can't.
remember.
 
 
Lurid Archive
20:04 / 03.07.02
Not sure about everyone else's age here, so its hard to judge what you are talking about. Im just under 30, and I've read that some of my mental faculties should be starting to deteriorate about now. Nothing major, just a bit less sharp. Thing is, I may be slower than I was 10 years ago but my experience tends to make up for it.

When it comes to the research I do, the fact that I have accumulated a fair amount of knowledge and have successfully grappled with some tricky concepts means that I seem much more intelligent than I was. But what is intelligence? Raw mental power? A range of intellectual skills? The former slowly degrades and the latter can be improved.

As for spelling and arithmetic, its just a matter of practice....
 
 
Thjatsi
20:17 / 03.07.02
I'm a little bit traumatised to discover that Janet Belsky is *the* most learned middle-aged woman...



Yeah, that threw me off too, but it is what she wrote on page 209 halfway down. I think she meant "most knowledgable" in relation to the average person, as far as understanding of the effects of aging on the mind. It comes off badly, but I'll wait until I have to write a textbook before I pass judgement.

At the end of the preface on page xv she states:

P.S. Please feel free to e-mail me at jbelsky@frank.mtsu.edu with any comments or thoughts. In this edition [3rd], I want to take full advantage of advanced technology to find out what you readers really think!

The book was published back in 1999. So assuming that she hasn't changed her email by now, feel free to contact her and ask.
 
  
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