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Conspiracies and John Dee?

 
 
invisible_al
21:27 / 25.06.02
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of some decent books about about Conspiracies in general, and John Dee in specific.

On the conspiracy side I'm looking more for the historical approach and less for the frothing paranoid side. Unless its in a good way . A good book on how a bunch of conspiracies were actually organised and run would be nice.

THE 70 GREATEST CONSPIRACIES OF ALL TIME by Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen has caught my eye off www.villiansupply.com, anyone read it care to give a review?

Also something on John Dee and the fun fun world of Elizabethan England would be nice. Saw that program about him on channel 4 and have been meaning to do some more reading but not got round to it till now.

And yes this is for RPG purposes so shush

cheers.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:14 / 25.06.02
Oh, for fuck's sake.

I just had a big post and now IE's gone and fucked it up. Bastardwankshitfire.

Ahem.

Right. There's two Dee books worth seeking out: Benjamin Woolley's The Queen's Conjuror and The Angel Of The West Window by Gustav Meyrink. The latter's more fictional, really, while the former talks more in the line of pure biog. Both are good, though the first is referenced tolerably well. Check them out. Also, there's a biog available at the John Dee Society's homepage though I've not read it.

What comes to light is more the idea that Dee was pursued/travelled around Europe because of his run-ins with state and church over his beliefs: he was fairly scientific, though was very much into new science (he corresponded with many leading lights in mapping, say) and astronomy/astrology, both of which were considered fairly dangerous things to be into at that point. It's hinted that, like Marlowe, he could've been in the pay of the state, acting as a spy - actually, I think he was - but it's difficult to tell: the spymaster of the day was as slippery then as you'd expect 'em to be now.

There's a couple of references found on this page, though nothing substantial, really.

What may be worth looking around some magickal pages: I know that there's bits and pieces of Dee's Enochian writings floating around the place, and there are efforts to get all his extant works onto the web. Try here, maybe.

Actually, this story about Dee and secret societies could be worth a look, too.

Linkhunting. More later, mebbe.
 
 
Stone Mirror
23:07 / 25.06.02
I can second the recommendation of The Queen's Conjurer as a solid and well-documented biography of Dee. I just finished this last month, and enjoyed it. Woolley maintains a pretty middle of the road tone throughout, covering the various thaumaturgies of Dee and Kelley without either becoming overawed or condescending....
 
 
Sax
09:10 / 26.06.02
I was a little disappointed in the Queen's Conjuror. I felt like I was learning more about Elizabethan life than Dee himself, although I appreciate sources are a little thin on the ground. It would have been nice to have more exploration of his magickal side.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:42 / 26.06.02
While it is not focussed on conspiracies as such, Who was the Man in the Iron Mask? is meant to be entertaining, and is written by a respectable historian so shouldn't be too full of wild theorising.

As far as Dee-related fiction goes, you can't really beat Peter Ackroyd's The House of Doctor Dee. The Woolley biography is the only one currently in print that I know of; there's also Frances Yates' The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age, an academic text which, though dry, has a fair amount of material on Dee (Yates wrote a lot of other books about hermetic philosophy in the Renaissance and pre-Enlightnement periods, you might enjoy some of those as well, and several inclusing this one are available in Routledge's classics range at the moment).

You might also be interested in Dr Simon Forman, same period as Dee:

'On the fringes of intrigues at Court, he was linked to Sir Walter Raleigh's 'School of the Night' and to the famous Overbury poisoning case, starring the beautiful Countess of Essex. This lively account of his life sees him denounced as a quack, a crank, and an astrologer who used black magic - yet his meticulous case-notes are now a key source for Elizabethan medicine. '

I quite fancy getting hold of that one myself...
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:58 / 04.07.02
On the conspiracy tip, R.A. Wilson's 'Everything is under control" is a fairly good overview, if a little brief. Sorry if that's a bit patronising.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
19:05 / 12.07.02
Hakim Bey has some very interesting things to say about Dee in the Autonomedia edition of "TAZ"–Namely that he was responsible for the English empire and the creation of America. I was just looking through a new biography of Elizabeth that says the same thing, also.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:50 / 15.07.02
Sounds highly dubious to me... which 'creation of America' would this be?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:44 / 15.07.02
Meaning that it was Dee who originally forsaw the Empire and gave Elizabeth the idea.
Hakim Bey:
"The opening of the 'new' world was conceived form the start as an occultist operation. The magus John Dee, spiritual advisor to Elizabeth I, seems to have invented the concept of "magical imperialism" and infected an entire generation with it. Halkyut and Raleigh fell under his spell, and Raleigh used his connections with the "School of Night"–a cabal of advanced thinkers, aristocrats, and adepts–to further the causes of exploration, colonization and mapmaking. The Tempest was a propaganda-piece for the new ideology, and the Roanoke Colony was its first showcase experiment. The alchemical view of the New World associated it with materia prima or hyle, the "state of Nature," innocence and all-possibility ("Virgin-ia"), a chaos or inchoateness which the adept would transmute into 'gold,' that is, into spiritual perfection as well as material abundance..."
From Bey, "Gone to Croatan," T.A.Z. (You can check the whole essay on hermetic.com)
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:12 / 16.07.02
I should look into that I suppose... permit me to say that I think geopolitical factors may have been just as important though.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:41 / 22.04.04
Just been doing a bit of reading on Dee and feel the need to apologise to BiaS for casting aspersions on his (perfectly accurate) comments on Dee's empire projecting... I was speaking from a position of iggerance.

I read the Woolley book and a collection of papers on Dee by Peter French (called John Dee: the World of an Elizabethan Magus). I much preferred the French book. Woolley is useful for an outline of Dee's life, and certainly brings in aspects such as family life which other scholars might avoid. But, he is no good at uncovering Dee's worldview, and doesn't really seem to comprehend it or the magic. French is much better for this - a really decent intro text on Dee's thought etc. - but again he is not at all forthcoming on the angelic actions with Kelley, Enochian, etc.
 
 
black mask
15:58 / 22.04.04
An essential background read would be The Elizabethan World Picture by E. W. Tillyard. This should provide a good general understanding of the culture of the period. And the Yates Occult... is a definite winner.
 
 
Simplist
23:03 / 24.04.04
On the off chance a Barbeloid hasn't read it already, the classic historical conspiracy book is of course Holy Blood, Holy Grail. I don't remember John Dee specifically figuring into it, but the authors do manage to work in just about every other major religious or occult figure from 1AD onward. Currently back on bestseller lists, due to the recent success of a poorly-written novel incorporating much of their material.
 
  
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