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Rev. Wright
12:07 / 25.06.02
I have recently been reading and discussing about Theosophy and related groups origins and beliefs. During some interenet research I came across this site, and after printing out and reading some initial essays on occultism, I decided to bring it to the attention of this forum. The writer Alexis Dolgorukii does come across with, some what convincingly in my eyes, a defined intellectual and sceptical point of view, with regards magick and other related subjects. Starting with his essays on occultism, so far the only essays read, I was interested in finding out what others thought and felt about his work?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
01:41 / 26.06.02
My question is, is there anything in there about practical techniques? My only encounters with Theosophy have been through the works of other writers (like Colin Wilson) who mainly talked about their whole Atlantean theories and kind of chalked it all up to late-19th century spiritualism craze. What about Blavatsky et al–worth investigating?
 
 
SMS
03:14 / 26.06.02
The first couple essays deal with historical inaccuracies of certain occult's accounts. I just don't think many people involved in the occult really care about historical accuracies, these days.
 
 
Rev. Wright
08:54 / 26.06.02
What I found initially most engaging is that fact that he states that magick doesn't exist.

Magic", both "White" and "Black", as we view it today, is while not entirely so, nonetheless largely an invention of Medieval Monks who, in order to combat the challenge to Christianity which was represented by the Ancient and valid "Mystery Tradition" (both the Druidic version and the Greco-Roman version), linked it to Satan and called it Magic.

There is no such thing as "magic".

From that day to this there has not been a word of truth in the whole business of "Popular Occultism". What was truly "Occult" or "hidden" was any kind of thinking that would call down on you the rage of the church. Most valid "occult" writings are terribly disguised discussions of metaphysical hypotheses that differ with Christianity. Those few who dared to speculate on metaphysical philosophy publicly, ended up like Giordano Bruno, murdered by the Church!

That is not meant to imply or infer that the concept of "magic" didn't exist prior to the advent of Christianity, but everyone of any education knew that is was largely the province of ignorance, charlatanry, and superstition; and it's only followers the gullible and ignorant.

Today "Magic" in the form of "Popular Occultism" is still the province of charlatanry and superstition and it still preys on the gullible and ignorant. Though, sad to say, some of the most gullible and ignorant are the practitioners of "Occultism" themselves.

How does it do this? Well, let's review just what it is that "Popular Occultism" has to say about itself. The word "occult" as most people know, means to say "obscured" or "hidden". The word is used in astronomy for when one heavenly body get's in front of another the other body is said to be "occulted". In an eclipse, the Moon occults the Sun. But what does "Popular Occultism" do with this? Well it claims that there is a certain body of facts and techniques which are"secret" or "hidden" and that this knowledge, when discovered, confers certain "powers" on the discoverer thereof. "Magic" is the use of these "powers" to do all sorts of things to the benefit of the "Magician."

Is there a word of truth in any of it? Not at all. All knowledge confers a kind of power, but there is nothing under the sun (or moon) which confers the kind of power the "Occultist" fantasizes about.

It should be pretty clear to everyone by now that I have little or no regard or respect for either "Popular Occultism" or it's illegitimate off-spring "magic". As that is the case, I think that you all have the right to know why I've spent nearly 40 years studying and researching metaphysical philosophy and The Mystery Traditions which most people seem to think are the same thing as "Occultism". Certainly the Theosophists do, and most certainly do the people who adhere to the many groups and schools that grew out of the Theosophical Movement such as Alice Bailey's "School of Esoteric Studies". But what that 40 years has taught me is that the two things are anything but the same.



As for people not worrying about historical accuracies, Alexis basically states that the whole of occultism is a farce. Thats rather a strong statement when you have to consider that occultism covers 99% of magick theory and practice.
 
 
Ierne
14:19 / 26.06.02
Well, it looks as if this is yet another tedious "Mysticism=Good, Magic=Bad" mastubatory exercise. It's a real shame that Mr. Dolgorukii feels the need to be so condescending about people who walk a different path, because aside from his "My Way is the One Right True & Only Way" attitude, some of his commentary is right on the money.

"Wicca" or "Witchcraft" is believed to be the "knowledge" and practices of the ancient "wise people" who were healers and advisors of primitive people. But all that can be said about modern Wicca is that it was invented by Gerald Gardner who was a Theosophist, and a Rosicrucian, and a member of "The Golden Dawn" who put together a pastiche of his own ideas and some historical research into the traditions of the English country folk.

Bitchiness aside, he is absolutely correct in that Witchcraft/Wicca is a mid-twentieth century concept. In regards to Blavatsky:

What were her actual goals? Well, they were very complex. In the first place she wanted to combat the excessive materialism that was so prevalent in her age. Secondly she wanted to reinstate the connection between metaphysical speculation and scientific research that had been lost with the conquest of reason by Christianity. Thirdly, she wanted to de-stabilize the religious paradigm of the west and the society that religious paradigm served to support. Lastly she wanted to introduce to the western nations the fact that other people were their intellectual equals.

Admittedly Theosophy isn't my strong point, but good friends of mine who have studied Blavatsky's work extensively have come to very similar conclusions.

...It (Occultism) is harmful because of the megalomania it induces in its adherents. Nowhere is this more clearly evidenced than in the life of Aleister Crowley, a really brilliant man whose Occultism and substance abuse destroyed him.

Crowley was *definitely* a megalomaniac, *definitely* brilliant, and *definitely* a substance abuser. A very plausible argument could be made that his Magickal success directly contributed to his megalomania, but honestly I'm not sure arguing that particular point right now is what I care to do...

Today "Magic" in the form of "Popular Occultism" is still the province of charlatanry and superstition and it still preys on the gullible and ignorant.

While as a blanket statement it doesn't work, it is indeed a painful truth in Magickal circles that a sizable proportion of people that get involved with Magick do it in order to take advantage of other people. Another sizable proportion of people are all too happy to let themselves be taken advantage of in the name of Magick.

But what does "Popular Occultism" do with this? Well it claims that there is a certain body of facts and techniques which are "secret" or "hidden" and that this knowledge, when discovered, confers certain "powers" on the discoverer thereof. "Magic" is the use of these "powers" to do all sorts of things to the benefit of the "Magician."

I thought it was really funny that, after he mentioned this, he began to discuss his beloved "Mystery Tradition":

The knowledge and understanding they possessed were not then, and are not now, attainable by the ordinary person. In reaction to that fact, the "Mystery Temples" dispensed their knowledge in carefully "graded" doses, and the entire content of their data-base was kept rigidly secret from all but the highest level of their Priest-Initiates. Why? Well because knowledge of things one is incapable of comprehending is dangerous and more so to the person who gains that which is utterly beyond them than to anyone else. "A Little knowledge is a dangerous thing". And so the content of their instructions was held rigidly secret by those who received it. That is the only reason why they were called the "Mysteries", because they were hidden or secret.

So Magick is a way for people to feel "special and elite", while the "Mystery Tradition" is (or should be) reserved for those who feel "special and elite."

His hierarchy of "the existential questing of the Humanity of the West" STINKS of racism, going from the Norther European Caucasian Celts to the Mediterranean Greeks & Romans to the African Egyptians and the Semitic Persians. How nice of him to even deign to give nonwhite people props for knowledge...Would it burst his bubble to suggest that nobody gave a shit about the Celts until the 1890's Irish Renaissance, one of its foremost proponents being WB Yeats, who was a member of (wait for it!) "Popular Occultism" nasties the Golden Dawn???

Same old same old...wake me when it's over.
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:04 / 26.06.02
I must admit to finding his tone of writing to being rather condescending, which intially put my back up, but after reading his essy on shamanism I started to piece togather his angle on matters.

Irene you highlight his apparent contradiction:

So Magick is a way for people to feel "special and elite", while the "Mystery Tradition" is (or should be) reserved for those who feel "special and elite."

This may be adjusted to involve his concepts of selfishness that he talks about in his shamanism essay

As a Shaman/Shamanka or whatever they may come to be called in the years ahead, you must care for others far more than you care for yourself. There is no place for the self-absorbed and self-concerned in the ranks of the pathfinders. Self-absorption must be transcended and replaced by other-centeredness, which simply means that you must truly deeply care for, and as a result, guide, and help, and heal your fellow beings on this planet in an altruistic manner.


This could imply that his views on occulticism v mystery schools is based on the focus of personal intent, selfish or selfless, rather than just the fact that the information is secret.

Within his essay on shamanism I found him strangley foreright with the existence of 'Spirits' after his dismissal of magick. I particularily enjoyed his definition of non physical entities.

The only real difference that exists between physical beings and non-physical beings or "spirits" lies in the quality of the energy that makes up the force-fields which are the only true reality of either class of being. In what can perhaps best be described as "The Higher Realities" each center of consciousness can best be described as a "light". Most human beings, but not all, are dim candles, spirits are brighter candles, but some spirits and some humans, are only to be compared to very bright Halogen Lamps. These differences are to be explained simply by oscillation rate within the energy field.

Those non-physical beings erroneously and foolishly identified by humankind variously as "angels" and "divinities"(of varying types and ethnicities) because of the strength of their energy fields, differ from other non-physical entities only by the largeness of their comprehensions and awareness. Because that consciousness is based upon the rapidity of oscillation of the particle carrier waves of the energy field that renders them individual, these entities are also individuated by the nature of their energy field and the magnetic auras that define that field. These entities are not "divine" at least not as humanity defines that term, but they clearly relate to humankind in approximately the same proportion as humankind relates to the lower sentiencies called "elementals". They are not "better" they are simply different, and because of that difference they manifest powers and abilities not possible to humankind.


I will endeavour to complete the reading of his essays and report back.

NB I read an article about how history is now being changed with regards how we see the Celts, they are no longer being looked at as a defined single society, such as the Romans or Norse. The application of such a title as Celts cannot be justified due to a lack of centralised and dogmatic culture and religion.
 
 
Ierne
16:18 / 26.06.02
This could imply that his views on occulticism v mystery schools is based on the focus of personal intent, selfish or selfless, rather than just the fact that the information is secret. - Will

Unfortunately your link shows a "The page cannot be found" error message, so I've not read the shamanism essay - I may hunt it out on my own, if I have time.

If Dolgorukii personally feels that ALL mystics are selfless and ALL magickians are selfish, that's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

It has nothing to do with reality, which is somewhat more complicated than that.
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:09 / 26.06.02
Shamanism essay

Sure its his opinion, but what would promote such an idea? As Lothar was keen to state and the Shamanism articles on Barbelith point out, the Shaman's role was one of assisting a community, rather than an individual. Is the role of the Magickian fraught with introspection and self gratification?
As is evident with magickal practice, exploitation is abundant.
 
 
Ierne
17:43 / 26.06.02
Is the role of the Magickian fraught with introspection and self gratification?– Will

Not necessarily. Magickians are just as capable of interacting with their community and using their skills to help others as anyone else. Many of us do.

Some so-called "Shamans" are more interested in lining their pockets and ripping off other cultures than helping their community – should we judge Shamanism harshly for that, and assume ALL Shamans are ripping off other cultures in order to make money? Of course not! So why tar ALL Magickians as selfish scum just because some of them are only out for themselves? It doesn't make sense.

Thanks for the link – I'll check out the essay before I leave work today.
 
 
Sebastian
12:51 / 27.06.02
To me, the guy sounds pretty much like a control freak, on the road to a declared spiritual fascism. His toying of words mixes candidness and blatant insult as pretending he does not even notice how he is riping appart models that have existed since long time ago he cared to make his superficial and dismissive approach. And also, does he live in a maionaisse tarr or in something vaguely resembling the consensual world? He speaks of the ordinary man as being deprived to the "elitist" occult knowledge and then in another essay on shamanism he describes a cosmology that for the "ordinary man" would sound like coming from someone deserving psychiatric attention. The chap needs to go a little more to the streets.

Ierne's comments and reviews have done pretty much already, but I would like to add my piece. Back to the very beginning of his quotes:

"Popular Occultism" [...] claims that there is a certain body of facts and techniques which are"secret" or "hidden" and that this knowledge, when discovered, confers certain "powers" on the discoverer thereof.

And so what? The fact depicted above is the only such thing that has kept science and magick moving and evolving all around since history became the history we know. There will always be something that remains "secret" or "hidden" to just any perspective or body of knowledge that all humanity or a single individual cares to take seriously. Just go back four decades in time and notice how many medical and physical notions were "hidden" to what was the current scientific paradigm.

Because that consciousness is based upon the rapidity of oscillation of the particle carrier waves of the energy field that renders them individual, these entities are also individuated by the nature of their energy field and the magnetic auras that define that field. (!!!)

(and I have to say I like his notion on non-physical entities)

Okay, he is an occultist, thats clear, he just has to admit it without assuming he has to go to shrink, and that he can not tell his parents about it.

As much as I use the internet for searching and gathering information, I'll wave goodbye with a quote I have always kept in mind, and was also picked from the internet.

The great thing about the internet is its levelling effect; online all opinions are equally WORTHLESS.
Grant Morrison
 
  
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