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All my friends are tripping and all I got was this lousy post.

 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:30 / 23.06.02
The lab or conversation? The lab or conversation? Hoom. This is more experience based than theoretical, so conversation it is, subject to movement. I was also dissuaded from posting this at three in the morning, incidentally, though I thought it would've appeared more pithy at that point. Hm.

So, last night was the first time that I'd ever had acid. And I have to ask: was anyone else kinda underwhelmed their first time? The other people I was with (three) seemed to kick off pretty much straight away. Whereas I spent my time wondering what was going to happen, being kinda annoyed that not a lot did, being laughed at and generally making fine - though admittedly a little warm, due to a spectacular lack of ice (except in the form of freezer burn) - martinis. Without anything. I felt more awake, maybe - I think that was because these were in pill form, and probably cut with something else; speed? soap? - but didn't get anything visual off the first, and only kinda marginal reactions on the second. (Most of this was, incidentally, fostered by the somehow-missed-yet-blindingly-obvious realisation that it looked like there were canals in my hand. Presumably to facilitate easier doom-mongering in a palmistry way, I guess. Hmm. That and, in small doses, the bathroom faux-stone floor.)

Anyway - I was a bit let down; not by my friends, really, who had a fine time, but maybe by myself. Was it just the unknown strength (or lack thereof?) that resulted in what sounds like non-typical LSD experiences. Or... what?

Oh, and the intermittent twitches when I went to bed? Please say that was the speed or soap powder working its way through, and not Parkinsons' disease...

As for the mindset question, too - work's troubles are (for me, I guess) over inasmuch as it becomes a legal conversation as of next week, I think; so I'd been feeling a lot lighter and unworried. Was having a good time beforehand; a little trepidation but feeling fine with friends... I don't think, therefore, that I was too bummed out to be susceptible...

Two points:

  1. MY DRUG HELL! is, from all appearances, the most hilarious thing that anyone can say. Why, I'm not entirely sure, as I wasn't quite as amused. Probably because it was used to describe the plans detailed in point two.
  2. Abney Park Cemetary wasn't very intimidating, disappointingly. Whether it was Guinness or pills of unknown composition that makes it seem appealing at 4AM, it should be noted that it's pretty easy to get into, still, even for a chunk like me. Not even remotely Easy Rider, alas.
  3. OK, a third, then. Thoughts about stoatie attending Tool while trolleyed led to me thinking about - in a disconnected, hours-after kind of way - the band playing on-stage and then suddenly donning that weird Ms Dwyer interdimensional armour stuff. Or being revealed as Archons. Which might satisfy Flyboy and Flux, I spose...

Anyway. Thoughts? Similar concerns? Those of a robust disposition with advice to offer, step on up.

Of course, my farewell could be a different experiential kettle of fish altogether, if anyone's thinking about it...
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:42 / 23.06.02
Funnily enough that matches some of my own experiences. My response tends to be to up the dosage but that is both foolhardy and, more importantly, no guarantee of success.

When I've mentioned by high but not flying experiences of acid to friends, I usually get told that if I do more/better quality trips that everything will fall into place. It still hasn't happened.

I think that these things are very personal and though there tends to be an assumption of uniformity of response to any given drug, I haven't found that to be the case. Don't worry about it - not that you are - and find a substance that you get along with.

For instance, I find friends that have mystical type experiences on acid almost impossible to talk to when we are tripping. I tend to get much more out of it if I hear those experiences related to me under the influence of speed, for instance.
 
 
SMS
23:15 / 23.06.02
If you haven't already, you should check out erowid and search for LSD. It has a list of some possible effects (positive, neitral, negative).
 
 
Loomis
09:02 / 24.06.02
As one of the others present and having taken acid plenty of times before, I can add a few observations. Firstly, we knew going in that it was of questionable quality/quantity. So it's hard to say what and how much of anything was in each pill (the fact that they weren't paper set alarm bells to begin with). Mine definitely had no speed in it. There was no jaw action at all, and acid keeps me up all night every time anyway, and it's a different kind of awake to speed, ecstasy or coke. Secondly, mine was pretty mild in the head fuck department. I just felt really good, Ween sounded at their best, had the usual acid spaciness and general bodily weirdness, and found eveything hilarious (especially my own jokes - ahem). We all laughed till it physically hurt, even Rothkoid's flatmate who had only had alcohol. SO the atmosphere in general was great. In that sense it was more like being stoned I guess. Also in the visual department, there were no flying pigs or anything, but I've only ever had that kind of thing once when I had a shitload. On this occasion however there was plenty of the usual wobbly fun with the curtains, the plants and the bathroom floor pattern, which was what I expected on a normal dose.

Also it was the first time I've ever had it and just sat around the house talking shit. I've always had it in clubs or at big parties, where it has been much more intense, basically bacause of the overload of all the stimuli; music blaring, people everywhere, the pressure of having to hold it together and not collapse into a gibbering idiot or getting paranoid or whatever. When I leave the club everything is suddenly a lot mellower, and that was what it was like the other night. Very mellow and very fun, but not intense. So I suspect Rothkoid you missed the intensity you had hoped for, but perhaps it only comes with more stimuli which you don't get hanging out at home. I'd say next time go to a club, but definitely get on the dance floor and get in tune with the music, because standing around a club in that state can be fairly intimidating, and possibly not much fun. It's that kind of negative, paranoid experience that turns a lot of people off it. Acid definitely works with the stimulus or mood you supply. And as for mood, I have to say I felt at the time Rothkoid that you *were* trying to stop yourself turning into a gibbering fool, so I think there was at least *some* degree of suppression, maybe partly caused by your totally justified irritation at having to listen to our poor jokes for so long, though after the second one you finally had a good giggle. I couldn't see any evidence of the first one working on you, but from what I could see the second try looked like it was working on you the same as us. Your eyes were doing strange things and you finally understood my comic genius. Evidence, if any were needed, that you were definitely on something. For my tastes, as much as I enjoy the intense musical experience you get in the middle of the dance floor tripping like a loon, I greatly enjoyed the mellowness of the evening, so don't be disappointed by it even though it wasn't the classic lsd experience. Just remember how good Jimmy Page sounded- riffs straight from God I tells yer.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:29 / 24.06.02
I know a few people who insist they barely hallucinate, still find it easy to talk sense, play chess.....etc.

They baffle the shit outta me.

Last time I took acid I couldn't see for hallucinations.

I figured out that I'm a plant and that we. are. the alien. (But that cats are the most alien of all.) I also enjoyed making my head explode.

Sorry, can't help at all.....up the dosage....try mushrooms....DMT, maybe.
 
 
Thjatsi
10:35 / 24.06.02
I've used LSD three or four times, and have only ever had one hallucination. That twitching you experienced happens to me as well. I've also experienced other sorts of bizzare semi-loss of muscle control. For example, the first time I ever did it, my bladder locked closed, and I couldn't pee the entire night.
 
 
w1rebaby
11:10 / 24.06.02
All it does is bring on anxiety attacks for me. I've never once seen anything that wasn't there, or trails, or anything. I spent ages making feedback patterns with a camcorder, a TV and matches, staring at patterns, everything, in the hope that I'd see something interesting but not a dicky bird. The only visual disturbances I had were some problems with depth perception - I couldn't tell how far away things were, which may not be precisely a visual hallucination at all. (Bit hazardous when crossing the road.)

Not that I've taken it much, for obvious reasons; why take a drug that isn't fun and makes you feel shit? The last time was about five or six years ago and it scared the crap out of me, no thank you now.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:35 / 24.06.02
I've only done it once and foolishly started at midnight, which meant that even once it was over I spent the next day completely fucked needing to sleep and eat and recover. The trip itself was good. I'd like to do it again at some point, 'properly', ie; during the day, in a park somewhere.
Seeming to see every blade of grass in a garden at about 3:00 am is a pretty damn good image.
 
 
No star here laces
15:00 / 24.06.02
RK - were they tiddly weeny little pills a bit bigger than a pinhead? If not, then you got ripped off cos in the UK acid always comes as microdots or blotters (bits of paper) or very very occasionally in liquid form. So I would imagine that's probably the reason for your disappointing experience. I seriously doubt it was cut with anything, as acid is about the cheapest drug you can buy - you ought to be paying £2-5 per dose. If you've done enough it should make you feel very, very odd - this is consistent. I've never met anyone who did trips at the same time as me (i.e. from the same batch) and didn't get very fucked. Expect long streams of consciousness thoughts, amazing revelations, horrific paranoia, stuff looking at least odd, if not actively hallucinating, and definitely tracers....

I'd say try again, but from a more reliable source.
 
 
Ria
15:52 / 24.06.02
Lyra, you just described my day-to-day life!
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
15:57 / 24.06.02
As Loomis mentioned, it was in pill form, and while there was something there, there wasn't a great deal. Bah. In terms of purchasing... hmmmm.
 
 
grant
16:30 / 24.06.02
If it's pills, I'd be willing to bet it was speed - weak speed. There's a chance it could be 2CB or some related alkaloid, but those things are usually costly.

How much did you pay for it?
 
 
suds
16:43 / 24.06.02
the first (and only) time i did acid was when i was spiked with it when i was seventeen. i thought i was going to die --- had what i now see as an eight hour panic attack and i still get panic attacks to this day. so i'm not really a fan.
my ps always told me not to take drugs because i simply don't have the body to deal with them...i have the weakest immune system ever due to childhood illnesses etc .... so i guess lsd just isn't for everyone.
thats why i wish i hadn't been spiked. i knew that if i'd take drugs it would suck. maybe that very fact, that i thought it would suck, made it suck in a placebo effect?
but who cares? it sucked!

(no. of times i wrote 'suck' or 'sucked' in this post: 4)
 
 
captain piss
17:47 / 24.06.02

Oooh…acid…scary
I sympathise suds- I’m pretty cautious about it now following one particular 8-hour freakout at the age of 19- the content of it still seems quite imaginative- kind of thinking I could see and imagine people with almost atomic resolution and worrying that we were all doomed to be deterministic automatons, the product of physico-chemical processes etc.

I’ve done it a few times and the effect varied between utterly-cranium-meltingly-weird (visual hallucinations, seeing myself turn into werewolf, drawing amazing images of Earth being stretched into infinity, as though by a black hole (which still looked amazing the next day)) and a pretty mundane kind of buzzy feeling - ‘body trips’ as I used to call them.
Certainly, as Lyra says, when it’s the real thing you know all about it- I’ve spent many a trip worrying like fuck about whether or not I was ever going to come back out of it. Ahh, those were the days…
Speaking personally, and perhaps contrary to the experience of you, Loomis, I’ve often found it very difficult to control, or to impose a particular mood on the trip, it’s just carried me away, sometimes embarrassingly, which is probably why people always says it’s important to be with trusted, intimate friends.

It’s possible to do quite monumentally silly things – I’ve once gotten out of the car I was driving, while it was still moving, because I couldn’t really remember how to drive, and the like.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:16 / 24.06.02
Spiking someone with acid is one of the most unpleasant things someone can do as a "joke". If anyone did that to me, I'd report them to the police. As a "joke". Or maybe hit them with pipes for the comedy value.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
18:32 / 24.06.02
Might I suggest chains for comedic gold?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
18:41 / 24.06.02
"I proclaim that beating the jape of the season!"

Heh.

As for price, grant, I'll have to get back to you - or someone else will. I dinnae, but will find out...
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:54 / 24.06.02
W/acid, I've had anywhere from no reaction whatsoever to a halfway decent reaction where I can carry on coherent conversations w/people who aren't on anything to pretty heavy, hallucination-filled trips to completely immersive DMT-like excursions (going by what I've read about DMT trips, that is, as I've never been able to actually get ahold of any myself) into alien worlds where I completely lose my ability to speak or understand language. And I love them all dearly.

I've been pretty spoiled when it comes to acid. My first year and a half of tripping was entirely on liquid, and it was gold. Everything since has been relatively janky, but varying degrees thereof. I've always gotten the annoying speed effects when I first start tripping, complete w/tense muscles and gnashing of teeth.

Lately, my trips have been relatively mild (including my recent first voyage on the magic of mushrooms) but much more primal. I become more in tune w/my surroundings and I wind up losing a lot of my social conditioning for a brief time, becoming rather more like an intelligent ape than usual. It's refreshing, and I wish I could go into that state w/o depending on chemicals to take me there. But the chemicals are nice, so I don't complain too much.
 
 
suds
21:39 / 24.06.02
i love fridgemagnet. i never thought i'd laugh about that experience of mine, but i just did. eh.
 
 
Rage
01:38 / 25.06.02
What's acid?
 
 
Knight's Move
02:24 / 25.06.02
LSD. Lysergic acid diethylamide. The classic way to reach the '60s and lose yourself in the process. I have hallucinated like nothing before, although I have had more intense experiences on mescalin, I really think that acid is very scary, yet somehow, absolutely in-fuckin'-sane.

If you don't get strong enough stuff all you get is the 'acid logic' phase which is when your brain really does not seem to be working. If nopt, you have incredible visions and hallucinations but that really is up to your own mind.

Basically, take it and see your brain unfolded.

I have taken several acid attacks, but to try to explain would be to destroy what we made...
 
 
Loomis
08:34 / 25.06.02
To clarify a little re the purchasing. A couple of months ago a friend of mine bought a selection of 3 kinds of ecstasy from a supposedly reputable guy, at £3.50 a pop. 2 kinds were in fact ecstasy, and pretty decent, but the 3rd kind was these ones which were acid, which we found out after taking 2. It was fairly intense as we were at a psy trance night where the music was blaring and lights were going everywhere. Fortunately we both like acid so we had a good time. The visuals were not major but quite wobbly and nice and what I expect from acid usually. As I said before, I've only ever had the "proper" visuals once, when i took a shitload. Mice running down the street, drainpipes snaking into the sky, purple graffiti all over the wall, MC Escher drawings moving- brilliant.

The pills in question are about half the size of a normal ecstasy pill. Obviously pulling this on someone is extremely dodgy, but I've had acid around 20 times (always on paper) and this is definitely acid, and unmixed with any other drug. Basically what it comes down to is that the amount in one of these is quite mild, the mildest I've had, but as I said earlier, still lots of fun, in a non headfuck way, which I think is good for a first time. If this had been my first, then I don't know what I would have felt. I can understand Rothkoid's disappointment in not getting the classic experience, but the second one definitely worked on him to some extent, so there's no doubt that acid *does* work on him in some way, so there's no reason that if he takes the regular amount that you get on your average paper trip, that he won't get at least something like the experience he's after. I'd recommend that as the next step, and depending on how much that affects him, make a decision from there.
 
 
drzener
11:44 / 25.06.02
Rothkoid, I really doubt yis were sold acid because as someone already said, in the UK acid is usually sold as paper, liquid or microdots. The reaction you got sounds likeit was 2cb. When I have taken 2cb it is usually a small pill (like an E) and was pretty cheap (£10 for 3 tabs). Its a little trippy but nothing like LSD. I've a lot of experience with acid and its possible to get it in a wide spectrum of strength. Basically, if you get a good dose you will not be underwhelmed. YOu wll know you are tripping and if its your first it will be very hard to describe what its like but you'll know it when it hits you. BTW I hardly ever hallucinate on LSD but a "milder" trip on mushrooms will have me hallucinating like a good thing. For me a good LSD trip makes me feel like I've gone fairly insane but in a good way
ON the same note I went to a weekend party in the woods at the weekend, scored a load of K and went totally into the other dimensions. I was supposed to go to work on Saturday but the machine elves just wouldn't let me go and now I am once again between jobs. I'm not too worried about it. I actually feel quite pleased with myself.
 
 
.
12:16 / 25.06.02
Can I suggest that pills that make you trip a little and speed a bit = weak ketamine, which can be a pretty similar experience at small doses to weak acid... Ket in my experience often creates feelings of "disappointment", usually when taken expecting something-else (speed or E etc), that seem to coincide generally with the sensation of being overwhelmed by everything.

My 2p worth.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
15:17 / 25.06.02
I've done it only once; didn't get too many effects but was not able to sleep and inexplicably had Ozzy Osbourne's "Mama I'm Coming Home" in my head on a continuous loop for hours...

More to the point, if anyone knows where I can easily get good acid in London, feel free to inform me...
 
 
Rage
18:12 / 25.06.02
Actually...

It's been really dry lately, at least in my knowledge. I live in NY and I'm currently in Chicago. Anyone want to hook a sister up?

I'm not a cop. I swear!
 
  
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