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Nuclear Option

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:17 / 24.10.01
Someone brought it up, that thread appears to have died the death.

No doubt it's being discussed in bars and truckstops across the US.

Let's talk about the Nookler Option. Does anyone even know the figures any more? How many bombs to wreck the ecosphere? How effective (if not selective) the attack would be?

It's wrong, to the point of being vile. That doesn't mean we don't have to consider it as something which will get put forward. If it gets said here, you can bet it's been said in Washington.
 
 
Ierne
14:25 / 24.10.01
No doubt it's being discussed in bars and truckstops across the US. – Nick

Can only speak from personal experience...Nuclear weapons haven't come up in the conversations I've had recently in bars or with friends/acquaintances. The only one I can think of concerned India & Pakistan, and their nuclear capabilites.

I think that people here are too scared to talk about it. New York would be a prime retaliation target if the US were asinine enough to resort to nuclear weapons.
 
 
No star here laces
14:37 / 24.10.01
There is absolutely no way they will ever do this unless the situation worsens to an unbelievable extent.

There is no way that they can spin a nuclear attack as anything other than an outright assault on islam, which would be suicidal. The US cannot possibly risk angering the enormous number of muslims worldwide, particularly the ones who control all the oil.

It is, I believe, an option that is not even close to getting 'on the table' unless there is a pro-Bin Laden revolution in pakistan.
 
 
01
14:55 / 24.10.01
Exactly. There is no way that they'd ever use them. However, they can use the threat of them as a scare tactic. I can't remember who it was (some member of the US Government) when asked what sort of actions the US would take after 9/11, he replied "We're looking at our options."
When asked if that included the use of nuclear weapons he responded ,"That's exactly what I'm talking about."

I wish I could remember who said it. It might have been Rumsfield. I heard it on the radio a day or two after the WTC bombings.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:36 / 24.10.01
From Andrewsullivan.com:

quote:THE UNASKABLE QUESTION: This following awful scenario keeps occurring to me. If we shortly prove that biological warfare has indeed been launched upon the United States from a foreign source, what will our response be? In the past, we have had a doctrine that a biological attack upon American citizens would open the possibility of nuclear response. But against whom? How? Where? This is the bluff that the terrorists have just successfully called. By starting the biological war piece-meal, they have been very smart. Because the casualties are as yet minuscule, and the horror diffuse, the
terrorists have managed to both break a previously unthinkable barrier in warfare and yet also avoid anything like a commensurate response. The micro-war we are witnessing is
designed to avert the mass outrage that followed September 11, an outrage that has obviously hurt the terrorists badly. So
they have tried a sneakier approach and, because of this, they have gotten away with one of their key objectives: to normalize
the use of biological weapons. As of now, the government has said nothing coherent about this epochal event, except to continue a war that was launched in response to a separate,
conventional attack. The terrorists have therefore won something big, and the Bush administration doesn't even seem to know how to respond. I can see why. If the White House
were to say explicitly that it believes this weapon has been used by a named enemy, there would be enormous pressure for an appropriate response. So the administration has been
confused in its public utterances, barely able to grasp what has been achieved by the enemy, seemingly unable to articulate a
credible response. It seems to me that this passivity must end soon. After all, the White House itself has now been targeted with a biological weapon! We need the president to tell us what exactly the government believes about this anthrax attack, who is behind it, what it means, and what we are going to do in
response. If we continue the current, passive strategy, we are not only sowing fear across this country. By our lassitude, we are almost inviting a far larger attack. Perhaps the
administration is waiting for some truly huge horror before taking further action. I can see the public relations reasons for this. But isn't it their duty to prevent just such an outrage by retaliating distinctly now? This need not mean nuclear weapons, but it should be separate from our current strategy
and fiercer than anything we have yet unleashed. What I'm saying is that the response to this new assault should not be
measured by how many people it has killed, but by the new and terrifying means that have been deployed. We must draw a line now, or we will have normalized barbarism for the foreseeable future.


In essence, Sullivan is advocating massive retaliation for any sort of biological attack, because otherwise US threats and its long-standing strategy for responding to a biological attack would be worthless.

Of course, this assumes the anthrax is a product of Al Qaeda or Iraq, not a home grown group. Check out the photos of the letters and tell me how likely you think an Islamic militant sent them: yahoo
 
 
Ierne
17:19 / 24.10.01
Oh ...The letter on that link, plus the ones I've seen in the papers...NO FUCKING WAY did anyone who learned to write using Arabic script write them.

By starting the biological war piece-meal, they have been very smart. Because the casualties are as yet minuscule, and the horror diffuse, the
terrorists have managed to both break a previously unthinkable barrier in warfare and yet also avoid anything like a commensurate response. – from the article above


Doubly smart, because they've figured out how to play on the current anti-Muslim/Arab bias so as not to be found out.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
09:24 / 25.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
The letter on that link, plus the ones I've seen in the papers...NO FUCKING WAY did anyone who learned to write using Arabic script write them.

For what it's worth, I saw this stated on last evening's local news by a couple of experts. Er, they didn't use the F-word, though.
 
 
Frances Farmer
09:24 / 25.10.01
Ahh, but experts also say the Anthrax originated from Iraq. Which experts are correct?

I saw a chilling bit on CNN suggesting a similar thing: Tactical nukes being the only appropriate response to the insurgence of any other sort of non-convential warfare.
 
 
Naked Flame
15:37 / 25.10.01
My take is that it's homegrown terrorism. The anthrax is a US-bred strain. So say several sources. As to linking it to Al-Qaeda etc, I could envisage right-wing morons wanting to exploit the current Fear and Loathing atmosphere to get Bush to show he can Make Amerikkka Strong.

deeeeeeply worried about Pakistan's stability and security at the mo. Frankly, I'm pretty sure if Bush wanted to GO BALLISTIC he'd need a week to read through the requisite paperwork and then another couple of days to decide which colour crayon to use. FundaMENtalists with nukes, on the other hand... <shudder>
 
 
Ethan Hawke
11:05 / 26.10.01
this is REAL comforting:

Pakistani Nuke Scientists Questioned About Taliban Link
 
 
deja_vroom
11:44 / 26.10.01
about the letter, Ierne:

why exactly it doesn't look as if arabs have written it?
(I can be dense sometimes, I know...)
 
  
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