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The Barbelith Elementary Latin Class

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
16:28 / 21.06.02
La divina senorita Cherry Bomb proposed recently that she would be interested in learning a bit of Latin, and I was wondering if anyone else was interested in either teaching (or giving hints on how to teach) or learning, for a bit of barbeclass?

Arrangements are spotty in the extreme at present, but will probably involve, depending on numbers, meetings, perhaps at someone's flat or a quiet venue, some wine, and a bit of Latin. Dates/frequency/whatever as yet utterly cloudy.

So, anyone interested at all? Or is it just me and Cherry having a dat with Romance....languages.
 
 
Ierne
16:40 / 21.06.02
I just moved house, Haus. Don't make me leave the country...

oh – just checked the abstract! Yes, interwebnetically, I'd be interested.
 
 
grant
17:23 / 21.06.02
On the highway, sure. The priests would approve.
 
 
Ariadne
17:36 / 21.06.02
Mmm, me too. In person or interwebnetically sounds great.
 
 
Persephone
20:52 / 21.06.02
I have Daimon: An Adventure Story for First Year Latin Students and Short Latin Stories, including "How to represent Agamemnon on stage" and "How to deal with thunderbolts."

But if you do this on the web, how are you going to make the bar-thingys over the vowels?
 
 
Persephone
21:27 / 21.06.02
And here's the Oxford Latin Course Part I...

hic puer est Quintus. Quintus est puer Romanus.
Quintus in Apulia habitat. Apulia est in Italia.
haec femina est Scintilla. Scintilla mater est.
Scintilla in casa laborat. ecce! in hac pictura Scintilla in culina est. cenam parat.
haec puella est Horatia. Horatia filia est.
Horatia in culina est. ecce! in hac pictura Scintillam iuvat.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:14 / 21.06.02
Could be kind of interesting.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
07:31 / 22.06.02
I am naturally very excited! Right now all I can say is "Carpe Diem" and the words to "Adeste Fideles" but soon I will be able to compare the original texts of "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" with their translations and talk about their pros and cons!!!!

*sigh*

A girl needs goals.

Perhaps we could have a portion of the class conducted interwebnetically and also in London? Also Haus I recommend scouring the web a bit and seeing if you can find any online resources for Latin teaching, cuz I bet you can.
 
 
Ariadne
08:25 / 22.06.02
Are the Ecce Romani books any good? That's what I remember using from my one year of Latin at school, and they're fairly cheap on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0050034650/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-6748599-4477429
(sorry, still can't get links to work)
 
 
Mystery Gypt
08:57 / 22.06.02
The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" with their translations and talk about their pros and cons!!!!

hmm. did these books change language since the last time i read them?

heh. sorry. the aenead is completely fantastic though, so don't feel let down.

i'd love to sit around with folks drinking wine and tossing about some loose translations of cattulus, but unfortunately i live in los angeles. don't think it'll come across over the web... but i'm always ready to emotionally support anyone trying to rock out with the classics...
 
 
that
09:32 / 22.06.02
Am thinking about doing an archaeology MA. A bit of Latin might come in handy...specially seeing as I can't remember a single word from the year I did in secondary school (except the latin for 'beware of the dog', and the un-school-related and aforementioned carpe diem). Yes, I would be interested in this... apart from the wine bit, obviously..
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:28 / 22.06.02
In Cherry Bomb's defence (which I leap to like the anachronism I so clearly am), she was talking about a conversation we had last night in which we moved on to the idea of doing Ancient Greek, and whether to attack Homeric or Attic, hence the Odyssey and Iliad.

The Aeneid *is* very good, mind...

Hoom. "Ecce Romani" is OK, IIRC, but rather old-fashioned. I was thinking of maybe using the Cambridge Latin Course, primarily because it's the one I used to use, but mixing it up with some more primary sources. A couple of ideas I had for the first shindig:

"A whole gang of jolly pirate nicknames" - how Barbelith and Rome had the same naming conventions.

Latin as she was spoke - a bit of historical context on the period the Latin of which we would be focusing on (1st Century BC - 1st Century AD)

Quintus est filius. Quintus in cubiculo dormit - the opening chapters of the CLC. Elementary nouns and verbs. The First and Second declension and the present tense. (Maybe the third declension is we have time).

A hit of the hard stuff - A short piece of actual Latin from the time, probably some Catullus, talked through and translated. Not sure about this - might be a bit heavy, but could also be fun, and will help people to get snogs in a way that "just remember every day, neuter plurals end in 'a'" probably won't...

I reckon that would take about an hour and a half to two hours...what do you think? Will have to get some books - if anyone has access to cheap/free photocopying, that may well be very useful.
 
 
Rev. Orr
19:38 / 22.06.02
Chalk me up as an interested party.

I've complete amnesia regarding the little I learned (or sat through) at school but at least it sounds like we'll all be in the same boat.

2 hrs out of my beer time seems like a small price to pay...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
10:44 / 23.06.02
Depending when, I'm in.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:22 / 23.06.02
Sure I can take a couple of hours out of my busy schedule of saving the world etc.
 
 
Sax
17:22 / 23.06.02
So is this in real life or on the net, then? Because I'll be interested if it's the latter (my bail conditions preclude me from coming to London).
 
 
gozer the destructor
20:53 / 23.06.02
Hmmm, always fancied learning a bit of the dead language, count me in either way.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:26 / 24.06.02
Hmmm...I think we would start with IRL - how to do it interwebnetically would take a bit more thinking about.

OK - I vote for the Cambridge Latin Course, because. It'll probably take me a few weeks to find the time to read the necessary bits and get a plan together, so I guess we're talking about mid-July. So, with that target vaguely in mind, venues? Skeeelz?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
14:41 / 25.06.02
Yeah well i was drunkenly just thinking how far I could go in the world of Latin, truth be told. It was an error on my part. My b.

Yeah Haus take a few weeks, take a looksee, and if you have any questions about language learning feel free to pm me or whatever...

I'm in (obviously!)
 
 
Persephone
14:47 / 25.06.02
How much do I love you, Cherry. Wish I could join in the fun.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
18:36 / 25.06.02
Miss P whatever maybe i'll learn lots of stuff and than we can kick latin midwest style while I'm back in Chicago!
 
 
captain piss
11:01 / 26.06.02
I'm also keen to have a crack at Latin with you guys
 
 
Lilith Myth
13:49 / 27.06.02
I might be up for this, too. I did, once, study the Cambridge latin course, but it was in the mists of time, and my whole class cheered when Caecilius died at Vesuvius.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:44 / 27.06.02
OK...might I suggest the 11th as a possible date for this? We still need a venue, possibly someone's flat, as this is not likely to be helped by ambient pub noise.

I'm interested in what people want to get out of this - we are not going to be able to learn that much in a single evening, and the best thing about being able to read Latin is to read the good stuff, which is a bit of a challenge early on...hooom. What should the balance be?

Oh, and would anyone mind if I wore my gown? I find it....soothing.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
16:01 / 27.06.02
If you want to wear a gown....

The 11th I think would work for me. At least as far as I know, I have no other plans.

Haus what you should do is pick a relatively easy latin text - like very very easy but if possible good stuff- and then put that in your mind as something you want to read as one of the "good stuff" things. Then you can look at it and decide what we need to know in order to be able to read it, and you can teach towards that initially. But if possible try and pick a text that you can teach towards what you have to teach is something we can later build on.

Not sure if this is possible, but it's what I'd do.

Actually, next week I'll be teaching an elementary class and may have some good ideas how to go about this then... (haven't taught elementary in AGES).

Any suggestions on venue? Your probably right about pubs being out, unless of course we can find a very very quiet pub...
 
 
SMS
20:30 / 27.06.02
If you decide to move past the real life, then I am also interested.
 
 
Oresa delta 20
22:04 / 27.06.02
Yeah, i'd be up for it also. However, it might be kinda expensive for me to travel 700 miles just to learn latin. I should really try learning it on my own (gotta get me some will power first tho )
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:07 / 27.06.02
If it's the 11th I'm out. Because I won't be here. INternet-style, yes. Real-life, no.

Sigh.
 
 
Rev. Orr
07:53 / 28.06.02
I'm afraid I'm out for the 11th as I'm rehearsing. But then, I might struggle to make an IRL gathering in the next few weeks for the same reason. Sorry.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:16 / 28.06.02
OK - since we need to sort out a lesson plan and a venue and an everything, really, I moot that we move it back to, say, the 18th. Who can do this? How about early the next week if not? Weekend?

On what to cover - I like Cherry's idea, but I'd like to throw open the field a bit (and if anyone else wants to throw their hat into the ring as a tutory perosn, please do) - those who are interested - what would you *like* to get out of it? What are you interested in? Grammar, classic works, structural linguistics, culture and history? I'm thinking this could be a semi-regular event, if people enjoy it or find it useful, as there is a finitude that can be communciated in a few hours...
 
 
Ariadne
09:26 / 28.06.02
The 18th is better for me. I wish that I could offer some sort of teaching help, but I've no teaching experience at all.

I'm interested in ... hmm. Grammar and vocab, and some insight into how it was used as a living language. I suppose I'm coming at it from a modern languages point of view, though, and that might not be very useful.

I have just realised that it's 22 years since I studied Latin at school and I need to lie down to recover.
 
 
Cavatina
13:40 / 28.06.02
Sigh. It's longer than that for me.

I do wish I could be up for this. It'd be good to refresh (and see Haus in a pedagogical role). Um, I do remember the nonsense rhyme

Caesar adsum iam forte
Cicero aderat
Caesar sic in omnibus
Cicero sic in at
 
 
Lilith Myth
13:59 / 04.07.02
I can't do the 18th. But I would come another time.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:38 / 05.07.02
Hmmmm...so two people so far for the 18th...is anyone very keen on this who can't make the 18th, and if so could they PM me with the dates they can do in the next...say....month.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:28 / 15.07.02
Ooooooo-kay. I'm goign to postpone this, as it seems people who would be interested are being prevented by the date. Could anyone who is up for it PM me with their availability through August, then we can arrange something mutually satisfying...

Don't worry. Latin won't get any deader in the interim.

lingua latina mortua est,
tam mortua quam esse potest,
omnes cives Romae necavit,
nunc me quoque necat.


Or words to that effect.
 
  

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